Proposed "Bakerloop" express bus

[vjaska]

Apr 9, 2024 18:39:00 GMT southlondonbus said:

Apr 9, 2024 18:01:53 GMT vjaska said:

This is being dressed up as an improvement despite the fact several cuts have already occurred on the Old Kent Road corridor including the removal of one route. The assembly member for Lewisham & Greenwich is then quoted as saying this will improve links between Lewisham & Lambeth when the only bit of Lambeth that is getting it is the Waterloo corridor - the majority of the route will run through Southwark with the sothern end being in Lewisham. There are other ways, and better ones too, in improving links between Lambeth & Lewisham

I thought it was only going to Elephant and Will drop off at the Charlie Chaplin so possibly won't even enter Lambeth.

Even worse then, just a serious waste of time at this point

[southlondonbus]

Apr 9, 2024 19:35:23 GMT vjaska said:

Apr 9, 2024 18:39:00 GMT southlondonbus said:

I thought it was only going to Elephant and Will drop off at the Charlie Chaplin so possibly won't even enter Lambeth.

Even worse then, just a serious waste of time at this point

I might be wrong but the map looked like that.

[evergreenadam]

When was the last time that Lewisham and Elephant & Castle were directly linked by bus along the Old Kent Road?

[southlondonbus]

Apr 13, 2024 10:51:44 GMT evergreenadam said:

When was the last time that Lewisham and Elephant & Castle were directly linked by bus along the Old Kent Road?

I don't think it ever has apart from the short spell when the 53 was diverted via Lewisham in 2002.

[ronnie]

Apr 13, 2024 11:11:29 GMT southlondonbus said:

Apr 13, 2024 10:51:44 GMT evergreenadam said:

When was the last time that Lewisham and Elephant & Castle were directly linked by bus along the Old Kent Road?

I don't think it ever has apart from the short spell when the 53 was diverted via Lewisham in 2002.

Out of curiosity why the long-winded diversion?

[TB123]

Apr 13, 2024 11:37:46 GMT ronnie said:

Apr 13, 2024 11:11:29 GMT southlondonbus said:

I don't think it ever has apart from the short spell when the 53 was diverted via Lewisham in 2002.

Out of curiosity why the long-winded diversion?

There was a huge sinkhole opened on the A2 between Deptford and Blackheath, said to be relating to historic chalk mines. The PVR of the 53 increased to something like 75-100 with a variety of extra buses including many from the sixth emergency service of the time, Blue Triangle. The road was closed for 8 months with lane closures for 14 months.

[southlondonbus]

Apr 13, 2024 11:43:52 GMT TB123 said:

Apr 13, 2024 11:37:46 GMT ronnie said:

Out of curiosity why the long-winded diversion?

There was a huge sinkhole opened on the A2 between Deptford and Blackheath, said to be relating to historic chalk mines. The PVR of the 53 increased to something like 75-100 with a variety of extra buses including many from the sixth emergency service of the time, Blue Triangle. The road was closed for 8 months with lane closures for 14 months.

Blue Triangle at one point has Titans between New Cross Sainsburys and Elephant. This was just pre 453 aswell when the 53 well and truly had huge demand.

[vjaska]

Apr 13, 2024 19:16:40 GMT southlondonbus said:

Apr 13, 2024 11:43:52 GMT TB123 said:

There was a huge sinkhole opened on the A2 between Deptford and Blackheath, said to be relating to historic chalk mines. The PVR of the 53 increased to something like 75-100 with a variety of extra buses including many from the sixth emergency service of the time, Blue Triangle. The road was closed for 8 months with lane closures for 14 months.

Blue Triangle at one point has Titans between New Cross Sainsburys and Elephant. This was just pre 453 aswell when the 53 well and truly had huge demand.

Stagecoach also helped out IIRC?

[MKAY315]

Apr 14, 2024 0:05:38 GMT vjaska said:

Apr 13, 2024 19:16:40 GMT southlondonbus said:

Blue Triangle at one point has Titans between New Cross Sainsburys and Elephant. This was just pre 453 aswell when the 53 well and truly had huge demand.

Stagecoach also helped out IIRC?

Along with East Thames buses as some of their DAFs appeared on it

[TB123]

www.se1.news/bakerloop-waterloo-lewisham-bus/

More details of the proposed 'Bakerloop' express bus along the Old Kent Road that will act as a prequel to the Bakerloo line extension have been revealed at a Southwark Council cabinet meeting.

A limited stop bus service along the future route of the Bakerloo line extension was a manifesto commitment by Labour's Sadiq Khan during this year's London mayoral election.

Colin Wilson, Southwark Council's head of strategic development and Old Kent Road regeneration, gave an update on the Bakerloop bus at this week's meeting of the borough's cabinet.
"We met with Transport for London last week and we've had a proposal – or a number of options –– from Transport for London to deliver a Bakerloop bus," said Mr Wilson.
"Basically our preferred option would be one which follows the Bakerloo line extension along the Old Kent Road up from Lewisham all the way to Waterloo.
"That would be a branded bus, so it would be branded as per the Bakerloo line – so in a brown colour with an interior fit-out like a tube – and that would provide an enhanced express service from Lewisham up through the Old Kent Road."
It's unclear how a tube-style interior would be replicated on a bus, but it could include seat moquette like that used on the tube, and colour-coded grab-rails as found on Underground trains.
Mr Wilson explained that work to confirm funding for the new bus service was still ongoing: "We have been collecting section 106 money to fund that, and we are currently just reviewing all the 106 money we've got from TfL, so that conversation is ongoing to provide that bus which gives that interim solution before the Bakerloo line comes forward.
"Just to emphasise it is an interim measure ... that will support the first 9,500 homes [in the Old Kent Road regeneration area]..
"We hope the [bus] service would stay subsequently, but the main aim is to deliver the Bakerloo line extension post-2030."
Earlier in the meeting Old Kent Road councillor Evelyn Akoto had told cabinet that she and her fellow local representative were "excited" about the Bakerloop proposal and eagerly awaiting the launch of the service.
The Bakerloop name is derived from the Superloop network of express bus services TfL has launched over the past year, mostly in outer London.

[ilovelondonbuses]

Oct 16, 2024 21:57:20 GMT TB123 said:

www.se1.news/bakerloop-waterloo-lewisham-bus/

More details of the proposed 'Bakerloop' express bus along the Old Kent Road that will act as a prequel to the Bakerloo line extension have been revealed at a Southwark Council cabinet meeting.

A limited stop bus service along the future route of the Bakerloo line extension was a manifesto commitment by Labour's Sadiq Khan during this year's London mayoral election.

Colin Wilson, Southwark Council's head of strategic development and Old Kent Road regeneration, gave an update on the Bakerloop bus at this week's meeting of the borough's cabinet.
"We met with Transport for London last week and we've had a proposal – or a number of options –– from Transport for London to deliver a Bakerloop bus," said Mr Wilson.
"Basically our preferred option would be one which follows the Bakerloo line extension along the Old Kent Road up from Lewisham all the way to Waterloo.
"That would be a branded bus, so it would be branded as per the Bakerloo line – so in a brown colour with an interior fit-out like a tube – and that would provide an enhanced express service from Lewisham up through the Old Kent Road."
It's unclear how a tube-style interior would be replicated on a bus, but it could include seat moquette like that used on the tube, and colour-coded grab-rails as found on Underground trains.
Mr Wilson explained that work to confirm funding for the new bus service was still ongoing: "We have been collecting section 106 money to fund that, and we are currently just reviewing all the 106 money we've got from TfL, so that conversation is ongoing to provide that bus which gives that interim solution before the Bakerloo line comes forward.
"Just to emphasise it is an interim measure ... that will support the first 9,500 homes [in the Old Kent Road regeneration area]..
"We hope the [bus] service would stay subsequently, but the main aim is to deliver the Bakerloo line extension post-2030."
Earlier in the meeting Old Kent Road councillor Evelyn Akoto had told cabinet that she and her fellow local representative were "excited" about the Bakerloop proposal and eagerly awaiting the launch of the service.
The Bakerloop name is derived from the Superloop network of express bus services TfL has launched over the past year, mostly in outer London.

I was just thinking about the Superloop 2 set of routes and how the project is progressing as we haven't heard any new developments since mayoral election and the subsequent general election. This development here does reaffirm my prediction that the Bakerloop bus will be the first Superloop 2 route to be launched even if the funding is yet to be secured apparently.

On another note, if TFL plan to take styling cues from the Bakerloo line for the Bakerloop bus or as I like to call it route SL15 (the colour of the Bakerloo line is quite drab) it will court a lot of attention from the media and the general public when it is launched. Interesting that Southwark want the Bakerloop bus to be a Waterloo to Lewisham route although I think the Elephant & Castle as the terminus will be chosen in the end due to the fact that E&C in itself is a major interchange and that to terminate a bus in Waterloo from the South is quite awkward.

[busboy17]

Oct 16, 2024 22:13:53 GMT ilovelondonbuses said:

Oct 16, 2024 21:57:20 GMT TB123 said:

www.se1.news/bakerloop-waterloo-lewisham-bus/

I was just thinking about the Superloop 2 set of routes and how the project is progressing as we haven't heard any new developments since mayoral election and the subsequent general election. This development here does reaffirm my prediction that the Bakerloop bus will be the first Superloop 2 route to be launched even if the funding is yet to be secured apparently.

On another note, if TFL plan to take styling cues from the Bakerloo line for the Bakerloop bus or as I like to call it route SL15 (the colour of the Bakerloo line is quite drab) it will court a lot of attention from the media and the general public when it is launched. Interesting that Southwark want the Bakerloop bus to be a Waterloo to Lewisham route although I think the Elephant & Castle as the terminus will be chosen in the end due to the fact that E&C in itself is a major interchange and that to terminate a bus in Waterloo from the South is quite awkward.

Unless the 45 leaving creates space, were would it stand at Elephant & Castle. Also I remember correctly doesn't the 468 temporarily stand on Borough Road

[busman]

Oct 16, 2024 21:57:20 GMT TB123 said:

www.se1.news/bakerloop-waterloo-lewisham-bus/

More details of the proposed 'Bakerloop' express bus along the Old Kent Road that will act as a prequel to the Bakerloo line extension have been revealed at a Southwark Council cabinet meeting.

A limited stop bus service along the future route of the Bakerloo line extension was a manifesto commitment by Labour's Sadiq Khan during this year's London mayoral election.

Colin Wilson, Southwark Council's head of strategic development and Old Kent Road regeneration, gave an update on the Bakerloop bus at this week's meeting of the borough's cabinet.
"We met with Transport for London last week and we've had a proposal – or a number of options –– from Transport for London to deliver a Bakerloop bus," said Mr Wilson.
"Basically our preferred option would be one which follows the Bakerloo line extension along the Old Kent Road up from Lewisham all the way to Waterloo.
"That would be a branded bus, so it would be branded as per the Bakerloo line – so in a brown colour with an interior fit-out like a tube – and that would provide an enhanced express service from Lewisham up through the Old Kent Road."
It's unclear how a tube-style interior would be replicated on a bus, but it could include seat moquette like that used on the tube, and colour-coded grab-rails as found on Underground trains.
Mr Wilson explained that work to confirm funding for the new bus service was still ongoing: "We have been collecting section 106 money to fund that, and we are currently just reviewing all the 106 money we've got from TfL, so that conversation is ongoing to provide that bus which gives that interim solution before the Bakerloo line comes forward.
"Just to emphasise it is an interim measure ... that will support the first 9,500 homes [in the Old Kent Road regeneration area]..
"We hope the [bus] service would stay subsequently, but the main aim is to deliver the Bakerloo line extension post-2030."
Earlier in the meeting Old Kent Road councillor Evelyn Akoto had told cabinet that she and her fellow local representative were "excited" about the Bakerloop proposal and eagerly awaiting the launch of the service.
The Bakerloop name is derived from the Superloop network of express bus services TfL has launched over the past year, mostly in outer London.

Frivolous waste of money branding this as anything other than Superloop before any commitment has been gained for a Bakerloo line extension. Other than that, I think this route will be very well used.

[intro]

Oct 17, 2024 6:03:11 GMT busboy17 said:

Oct 16, 2024 22:13:53 GMT ilovelondonbuses said:

I was just thinking about the Superloop 2 set of routes and how the project is progressing as we haven't heard any new developments since mayoral election and the subsequent general election. This development here does reaffirm my prediction that the Bakerloop bus will be the first Superloop 2 route to be launched even if the funding is yet to be secured apparently.

On another note, if TFL plan to take styling cues from the Bakerloo line for the Bakerloop bus or as I like to call it route SL15 (the colour of the Bakerloo line is quite drab) it will court a lot of attention from the media and the general public when it is launched. Interesting that Southwark want the Bakerloop bus to be a Waterloo to Lewisham route although I think the Elephant & Castle as the terminus will be chosen in the end due to the fact that E&C in itself is a major interchange and that to terminate a bus in Waterloo from the South is quite awkward.

Unless the 45 leaving creates space, were would it stand at Elephant & Castle. Also I remember correctly doesn't the 468 temporarily stand on Borough Road

I doubt the 468 stand is temporary since its been using it since 2019.

[wirewiper]

Oct 17, 2024 6:52:01 GMT busman said:

Oct 16, 2024 21:57:20 GMT TB123 said:

www.se1.news/bakerloop-waterloo-lewisham-bus/

Frivolous waste of money branding this as anything other than Superloop before any commitment has been gained for a Bakerloo line extension. Other than that, I think this route will be very well used.

It is a unique route (a sort of pre-metro, if you like), and any extra costs of branding will be covered by Section 106 developer funding. The route is designed to kick-start the development along the route that will help to justify the Bakerloo Line extension.