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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 17, 2024 7:41:31 GMT
Frivolous waste of money branding this as anything other than Superloop before any commitment has been gained for a Bakerloo line extension. Other than that, I think this route will be very well used. It is a unique route (a sort of pre-metro, if you like), and any extra costs of branding will be covered by Section 106 developer funding. The route is designed to kick-start the development along the route that will help to justify the Bakerloo Line extension. Wasn't there a pre DLR branded route back in the early 90s? I thinking iv seen a branded Titan before. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 17, 2024 8:16:41 GMT
Unless the 45 leaving creates space, were would it stand at Elephant & Castle. Also I remember correctly doesn't the 468 temporarily stand on Borough Road I doubt the 468 stand is temporary since its been using it since 2019. It isn’t temporary it was permanently re-routed to Borough Road to make space for the 171 to stand on Lambeth Road |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 17, 2024 8:21:51 GMT
I doubt the 468 stand is temporary since its been using it since 2019. It isn’t temporary it was permanently re-routed to Borough Road to make space for the 171 to stand on Lambeth Road The 171 would probably have to switch to Borough Road as the Bakerloop would not be able to reach it due to the road layout now. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 17, 2024 8:27:48 GMT
It isn’t temporary it was permanently re-routed to Borough Road to make space for the 171 to stand on Lambeth Road The 171 would probably have to switch to Borough Road as the Bakerloop would not be able to reach it due to the road layout now. No it doesn’t it can stand on Gaunt Street or Southwark Bridge Road as the 45 will no longer stand there as planned originally in the consultation. The 171 was meant to start and finish In Newington Causeway with the 45 withdrawn. The 468 stand cannot take another route. |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 17, 2024 8:37:55 GMT
It is a unique route (a sort of pre-metro, if you like), and any extra costs of branding will be covered by Section 106 developer funding. The route is designed to kick-start the development along the route that will help to justify the Bakerloo Line extension. Wasn't there a pre DLR branded route back in the early 90s? I thinking iv seen a branded Titan before. Probably thinking of the Docklands Express network that ran in the early 90s. The D1, D11 and X15 all ran with a red and white livery and the D1 at least started off with Titans. The X15 was like a bus version of the Beckton branch of the DLR and was finally withdrawn in 1995 2 years after the Beckton extension opened. There was also routes D8 and D9 that started off as services that provided support for the DLR in the early days as it was very unreliable and had lots of technical issues. The D9 mainly ran weekends and evenings when the DLR was closed for engineering works. |
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Post by busman on Oct 17, 2024 8:43:58 GMT
Frivolous waste of money branding this as anything other than Superloop before any commitment has been gained for a Bakerloo line extension. Other than that, I think this route will be very well used. It is a unique route (a sort of pre-metro, if you like), and any extra costs of branding will be covered by Section 106 developer funding. The route is designed to kick-start the development along the route that will help to justify the Bakerloo Line extension. S106 funding which could of course be allocated to other uses in the meantime. The good news is that City Hall have not stopped efforts to bring about an actual extension to the Bakerloo line: www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9qvrjnpvr0o |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 17, 2024 9:26:45 GMT
The 171 would probably have to switch to Borough Road as the Bakerloop would not be able to reach it due to the road layout now. No it doesn’t it can stand on Gaunt Street or Southwark Bridge Road as the 45 will no longer stand there as planned originally in the consultation. The 171 was meant to start and finish In Newington Causeway with the 45 withdrawn. The 468 stand cannot take another route. But you can't come up the Old Kent Road and then reach the current 45 stand thou I thought? |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 17, 2024 9:49:34 GMT
No it doesn’t it can stand on Gaunt Street or Southwark Bridge Road as the 45 will no longer stand there as planned originally in the consultation. The 171 was meant to start and finish In Newington Causeway with the 45 withdrawn. The 468 stand cannot take another route. But you can't come up the Old Kent Road and then reach the current 45 stand thou I thought? Did you actually throughly read the post I made which I was replying to you? Do the maths please it’s 1000% obvious what I wm talking about. |
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Post by jamirie on Oct 17, 2024 10:41:20 GMT
www.se1.news/bakerloop-old-kent-road-bus-sadiq-khan/Sadiq Khan is proposing an express "Bakerloop" bus along the path of the proposed Bakerloo line extension from Lewisham up the Old Kent Road to Elephant as an prequel in the event he is re-elected Mayor on 2nd May. It would use buses in Bakerloo brown livery, as well as similar fixtures and moquette. It would run alongside the existing 21 and 453 routes. View Attachment It may have been mentioned before? I think the Bakerloop could run between Elephant & Castle and Bromley calling additionally at Lewisham hospital, Catford, Bellingham, Downham and Bromley hill. This would give faster links to several stations and areas in SE London. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 17, 2024 10:48:50 GMT
www.se1.news/bakerloop-old-kent-road-bus-sadiq-khan/Sadiq Khan is proposing an express "Bakerloop" bus along the path of the proposed Bakerloo line extension from Lewisham up the Old Kent Road to Elephant as an prequel in the event he is re-elected Mayor on 2nd May. It would use buses in Bakerloo brown livery, as well as similar fixtures and moquette. It would run alongside the existing 21 and 453 routes. View Attachment It may have been mentioned before? I think the Bakerloop could run between Elephant & Castle and Bromley calling additionally at Lewisham hospital, Catford, Bellingham, Downham and Bromley hill. This would give faster links to several stations and areas in SE London. Although I'm a bit dubious about the sudden need for this Bakerloop route, if it is going to run that's not a bad idea at all. On a similar theme I've wondered if the SL3 would have been better going via Catford Lewisham Blackheath and Woolwich. |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 17, 2024 11:13:50 GMT
It may have been mentioned before? I think the Bakerloop could run between Elephant & Castle and Bromley calling additionally at Lewisham hospital, Catford, Bellingham, Downham and Bromley hill. This would give faster links to several stations and areas in SE London. Although I'm a bit dubious about the sudden need for this Bakerloop route, if it is going to run that's not a bad idea at all. On a similar theme I've wondered if the SL3 would have been better going via Catford Lewisham Blackheath and Woolwich. I can’t help but think the Bakerloop bus is political! How many years has the Bakerloo line extension been planned yet there has been no attempt to run a bus until now. I am sure it will be used but don’t publicise it as a train route which I personally think is daft. |
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Post by jamirie on Oct 17, 2024 11:19:22 GMT
Although I'm a bit dubious about the sudden need for this Bakerloop route, if it is going to run that's not a bad idea at all. On a similar theme I've wondered if the SL3 would have been better going via Catford Lewisham Blackheath and Woolwich. I can’t help but think the Bakerloop bus is political! How many years has the Bakerloo line extension been planned yet there has been no attempt to run a bus until now. I am sure it will be used but don’t publicise it as a train route which I personally think is daft. I agree with your comment. Superloop/express routes surely are invented to speed up journeys and entice people to use public transport instead of travelling by car. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 17, 2024 11:30:16 GMT
But you can't come up the Old Kent Road and then reach the current 45 stand thou I thought? Did you actually throughly read the post I made which I was replying to you? Do the maths please it’s 1000% obvious what I wm talking about. OK. Nice reply |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 17, 2024 11:32:02 GMT
I can’t help but think the Bakerloop bus is political! How many years has the Bakerloo line extension been planned yet there has been no attempt to run a bus until now. I am sure it will be used but don’t publicise it as a train route which I personally think is daft. I agree with your comment. Superloop/express routes surely are invented to speed up journeys and entice people to use public transport instead of travelling by car. They'll probably entice people from other bus routes but probably not their car. |
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Post by jamirie on Oct 17, 2024 11:41:38 GMT
I agree with your comment. Superloop/express routes surely are invented to speed up journeys and entice people to use public transport instead of travelling by car. They'll probably entice people from other bus routes but probably not their car. Quite possibly. Stations near to my proposed Bakerloop route. Bromley South, Bromley North, Bellingham, Catford/Catford Bridge, Lewisham DLR/SE, Deptford Bridge (I'd send it that way to mirror the 453) New Cross, New Cross Gate. I don't really see the benefits of the Bakerloop just running between Lewisham and the Elephant? |
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