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Post by thekbq14 on Apr 24, 2024 21:14:12 GMT
On topic with the Streatham Bus Garage (AK), I know this now holds the Tesco, Flats, Leisure Centre and Ice Rink. But in between the period the of it closing as an operational bus garage and a glorified bus terminus. There were the Go Karting track and the old Ice Rink in the same area, which I remember from my childhood, were these in the old Bus Garage, or were these buildings rebuilt?
Looking at old pictures it seems to be the Go Karting track was in the old Bus Garage, located now where the new Ice Rink and Leisure centre were, whilst the old Ice Rink was in a rebuilt building and is now where the Tesco, Flats and Bus Terminus is with the church the only part remaining the same. In my mind I had thought the old Ice Rink replaced the new Ice Rink and the Tesco/Flats was were the old Bus Garage/Go Karting track was.
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Post by thekbq14 on Apr 24, 2024 21:53:00 GMT
Back on topic with Superloop and moving away from Nostalgia, I think the consensus that I can see with Superloop is for this to be "successful" or better words used to it's full advantage to allow buses to go faster which is the main complaint, I hear of people not using buses in London, is there needs to be bus priorities such as more bus lanes, bus traffic light priorities, serving roads that are dual carriageway and/or not prone to traffic, increasing speed limits to main roads back to 30mph etc. However I can see lot's of London councils having issues with this as buses are not glamorous.
Also, a lot of the cycle priorities they've been doing such as cycle lanes (no dig to people on here who cycle) instead of penalising unnecessary car usage or improving the environment etc. has also penalised bus usage especially in London, with the speed of buses decreasing and those getting stuck in traffic increasing. The Superloop wouldn't fix all of these, although an express network of buses have been needed in London for a long time.
So to me the Superloop in it's current format is just papering over the cracks of the bus network which seems to be the case with a lot of the new routes listed (The SL65, SL93 and SL^2 (Eltham to Streatham)) in particular the ones serving Inner London with more busier and tighter roads. The SL91, I do like as the Great West Road has a dual carriageway with not much traffic as others, I would look at extending it on either end to White City and Heathrow at a push just for around the corner links and add some uniqueness to the route and the H91 can do the local stretch. The SL472 is not needed imo as the 472 already does that alongside the 161 and 180 between North Greenwich and Woolwich, whilst the SL3 can be extended easily to Woolwich, but I can see why it's being done with the whole Greenwich Waterfront Transit and money put into regeneration in the area. I can see some S106 money as well probably into this scheme too. The BL1 is 100 years ago too late this should be a tube line (First proposal was all the way in 1913). I am happy with the SL307, the SL97 should be split in Chingford otherwise perfect. The SL112 seems good, the current 112 should be DD, and does get busy with it serving the North Circular however Hendon seems like an odd place to terminate it. Brent Cross should be fine enough and if they're really desperate on it linking with the Superloop on the northern side they could potentially swap the SL112 and 112 terminus around. Finally the SL66 makes a lot of sense will be interesting to see the routing between Romford and South Havering (Guess this will be Beam Park/Rainham area) and if will go through Hornchurch, Upminster or direct. Also another route serving a dual carriageway that does well by itself similar to the H91 but has the space there for the express route so can see tfl do have some sort of type with these routes.
TLDR; Don't get me wrong they will all be used well and be popular as the stops will be limited enough for it to work and the marketing of the Superloop (even with it's flaws) has been good so people are aware of it's existence. But long story short the Superloop at the moment not using all of the available tools out there for it to be the best express bus network it can be.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 24, 2024 22:47:53 GMT
On topic with the Streatham Bus Garage (AK), I know this now holds the Tesco, Flats, Leisure Centre and Ice Rink. But in between the period the of it closing as an operational bus garage and a glorified bus terminus. There were the Go Karting track and the old Ice Rink in the same area, which I remember from my childhood, were these in the old Bus Garage, or were these buildings rebuilt? Looking at old pictures it seems to be the Go Karting track was in the old Bus Garage, located now where the new Ice Rink and Leisure centre were, whilst the old Ice Rink was in a rebuilt building and is now where the Tesco, Flats and Bus Terminus is with the church the only part remaining the same. In my mind I had thought the old Ice Rink replaced the new Ice Rink and the Tesco/Flats was were the old Bus Garage/Go Karting track was. When AK shut, the Go Kart track used the old garage.with the forecourt still in use by buses. The road markings for the alighting point on Natal Road still exist and was the last stop for the 60, 159 & P13 right until redevelopment. The Ice Rink was located on the site of the Tesco and Streatham Baths was next door, where the buses currently stand. The church and the couple of houses by Natal Road are the only parts to remain. |
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Post by mark on Apr 25, 2024 14:02:21 GMT
The other thing I would consider is routing it via Sheen Lane and the 419, serving the Stag Brewery development and running along a dual carriageway into Richmond. Also I think that Richmond is poorly designed for express routes, least of all an express route interchange, given the heavy traffic and narrow roads in the centre, along with a lack of a 'focal point' for buses unlike existing Superloop interchanges like Walthamstow Central or North Finchley. Whilst running the "X"493 via the Stag Brewery site would serve the new development planned there it would risk Richmond-bound buses getting stuck in the interminable queue of traffic to join the A316 at Chalker's Corner. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 28, 2024 12:56:45 GMT
Leytonstone - South Havering route is the one I’m least in favour of, as it is quite superfluous. Outside of strike days I don’t think I have ever seen the Leytonstone- Newbury Park section of the 66 full. The Central Line is the more logical route option here. Streatham to Eltham feels like a long route. I would prefer if there were no changes to the SL5/SL7. I think the SL7 is better as a West Croydon to Heathrow route and SL5 Croydon to Bromley The Stratford - Walthamstow - Chingford route is sensible. Although I’m not convinced Walthamstow Central needs 3 express routes! It’s interesting that in this phase of the Superloop the North of London is getting the outer “layer” of the network while the South of London gets the inner layer. I am of the Superloop but Ido hope some of these new routes are adjusted or binned Has to appease the Momentum controlled Waltham Forest |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 28, 2024 13:06:30 GMT
The difference is the original Superloop weren’t dependent on a election outcome. But that doesnt matter much because Khan has got the win in the bag. He could probably put nothing on his manifesto and people would still vote just to keep Hall out Same can be said otherwise. There is a hell of a lot of people who never voted in previous elections who have said they are going to vote even for people like Count binface to voice their frustrations at Khan mainly for ULEZ |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 28, 2024 13:13:10 GMT
But his problem is his controversial ULEZ and that could be an issue for him. It’s only controversial as it’s been politicise, as when Boris Johnson introduced it wasn’t. That reminds me, I better fill out my postal ballot. No it was controversial because he extended it past the north & south circular, completely not in manifesto and AGAINST his own party leaders advice! But it would not make a difference to football team party supporters like yourself who see Labour as nothing more than supporting a football team. |
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Post by aaron1 on Apr 29, 2024 12:30:29 GMT
I do like the Ealing Broadway to Brent Cross one as it will help out 112 I don't know that rout will skip Stonebridge Park
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Post by TB123 on Apr 29, 2024 12:36:10 GMT
I do like the Ealing Broadway to Brent Cross one as it will help out 112 I don't know that rout will skip Stonebridge Park I'd be astonished if it skipped Stonebridge Park. The phase 1 map also contained some omissions and I'm sure this would be no different. |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 29, 2024 13:32:41 GMT
I do like the Ealing Broadway to Brent Cross one as it will help out 112 I don't know that rout will skip Stonebridge Park I'd be astonished if it skipped Stonebridge Park. The phase 1 map also contained some omissions and I'm sure this would be no different. I'm not so sure as it could use the North Circular Road underpass there and save several minutes for passengers making longer journeys. Stonebridge Park would still have the 112. It's little different to the SL1 taking the underpass and skipping Great Cambridge Road roundabout. |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 29, 2024 13:35:32 GMT
I'd be astonished if it skipped Stonebridge Park. The phase 1 map also contained some omissions and I'm sure this would be no different. I'm not so sure as it could use the North Circular Road underpass there and save several minutes for passengers making longer journeys. Stonebridge Park would still have the 112. It's little different to the SL1 taking the underpass and skipping Great Cambridge Road roundabout. Stonebridge Park however does tend to be a much busier hub than Great Cambridge roundabout, which is why it'd surprise me if it skipped it. |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Apr 29, 2024 15:53:26 GMT
I do like the Ealing Broadway to Brent Cross one as it will help out 112 I don't know that rout will skip Stonebridge Park I'd be astonished if it skipped Stonebridge Park. The phase 1 map also contained some omissions and I'm sure this would be no different. It'll definitely have to serve Stonebridge Park, the station is always busy during the peaks and my bus is always full with passengers getting on and off. This is in both directions by the way. |
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Post by COBO on May 3, 2024 0:08:20 GMT
I wonder how Harrow would create space for the Superloop route that goes from Harrow to Barnet.
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Post by Busboy105 on May 3, 2024 6:19:09 GMT
I wonder how Harrow would create space for the Superloop route that goes from Harrow to Barnet. Is the Harrow Community Transport stop in use? |
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Post by sdaniel on May 4, 2024 21:36:37 GMT
I certainly like the Stratford - Barnet proposed superloop route! Many new direct links will be formed such as Stratford and Enfield, Enfield and Walthamstow and so on.
I also like the Ealing Broadway to Brent Cross proposed superloop but I would suggest that it should terminate at North Finchley instead of Hendon to maintain a faster link across the A406. Also, so that people coming from the Western side of the A406 (North Circular Road) can change for the SL1 which serves the Eastern side of the A406 (North Circular Road).
But for the extension to North Finchley of the new proposed superloop to happen, I’d also suggest either curtailing the 112 to Brent Cross Shopping Centre or possibly rerouting it to Mill Hill East via Hendon Central Station, Brent Street then following the 240 up to MHE from Brent Street as North Finchley Bus Station wouldn’t have much space left.
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