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Post by PGAT on May 4, 2024 22:37:14 GMT
It's not Stratford to Barnet its Stratford to Chingford
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Post by ZiyQ on May 6, 2024 20:06:33 GMT
It's not Stratford to Barnet its Stratford to Chingford Almost everywhere has stated it was one long Stratford to Barnet route, and I think Sadiq did say as well that it was a Stratford - Barnet route (somebody please correct me if I am wrong), even though the map has a split at Chingford. On top of that, there likely is no stand space available at Chingford for 2 new terminating express routes, as even the 313 cannot get a frequency increase from every 20 minutes to 15, partly due to a lack of stand space at Chingford Station. |
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Post by TB123 on May 6, 2024 20:10:27 GMT
It's not Stratford to Barnet its Stratford to Chingford Almost everywhere has stated it was one long Stratford to Barnet route, and I think Sadiq did say as well that it was a Stratford - Barnet route (somebody please correct me if I am wrong), even though the map has a split at Chingford. On top of that, there likely is no stand space available at Chingford for 2 new terminating express routes, as even the 313 cannot get a frequency increase from every 20 minutes to 15, partly due to a lack of stand space at Chingford Station. Personally I think Stratford to Enfield and Harrow to Enfield would be a better split. Be very interesting to see what happens nonetheless. |
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Post by PGAT on May 6, 2024 20:18:12 GMT
It's not Stratford to Barnet its Stratford to Chingford Almost everywhere has stated it was one long Stratford to Barnet route, and I think Sadiq did say as well that it was a Stratford - Barnet route (somebody please correct me if I am wrong), even though the map has a split at Chingford. On top of that, there likely is no stand space available at Chingford for 2 new terminating express routes, as even the 313 cannot get a frequency increase from every 20 minutes to 15, partly due to a lack of stand space at Chingford Station. I'm pretty sure the map is the only official confirmation of the routes, everything else reporting off of the map probably missed the split |
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Post by ZiyQ on May 6, 2024 21:09:21 GMT
Almost everywhere has stated it was one long Stratford to Barnet route, and I think Sadiq did say as well that it was a Stratford - Barnet route (somebody please correct me if I am wrong), even though the map has a split at Chingford. On top of that, there likely is no stand space available at Chingford for 2 new terminating express routes, as even the 313 cannot get a frequency increase from every 20 minutes to 15, partly due to a lack of stand space at Chingford Station. Personally I think Stratford to Enfield and Harrow to Enfield would be a better split. Be very interesting to see what happens nonetheless. That would definitely be a better place to split the routes - but again, there is no stand space at Enfield as well, so at least one route would have to be moved out of Little Park Gardens, as Enfield Chase can only have 2 buses standing there, and the old W10 stand on Cecil Road would not be able to fit both express routes. If the route could use parts of the A406 and A12, it might help the reliability of the route if it is to be operated as one long route, although reliability during peak times can become extremely bad during peak times. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 6, 2024 21:34:30 GMT
Almost everywhere has stated it was one long Stratford to Barnet route, and I think Sadiq did say as well that it was a Stratford - Barnet route (somebody please correct me if I am wrong), even though the map has a split at Chingford. On top of that, there likely is no stand space available at Chingford for 2 new terminating express routes, as even the 313 cannot get a frequency increase from every 20 minutes to 15, partly due to a lack of stand space at Chingford Station. I'm pretty sure the map is the only official confirmation of the routes, everything else reporting off of the map probably missed the split Yep, the map also only used two colours for the new routes, either yellow or green so I think there is probably some meaning behind the colours and also probably why the Chingford to Barnet route has the same colour as the Stratford to Chingford route. |
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Post by sdaniel on May 6, 2024 21:54:24 GMT
It's not Stratford to Barnet its Stratford to Chingford Almost everywhere has stated it was one long Stratford to Barnet route, and I think Sadiq did say as well that it was a Stratford - Barnet route (somebody please correct me if I am wrong), even though the map has a split at Chingford. On top of that, there likely is no stand space available at Chingford for 2 new terminating express routes, as even the 313 cannot get a frequency increase from every 20 minutes to 15, partly due to a lack of stand space at Chingford Station. Yeah it is a Stratford to Barnet route because it isn’t going to Chingford Overground Station, it’s going through Chingford Green / Chingford Police Station. |
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Post by sdaniel on May 6, 2024 21:55:19 GMT
Almost everywhere has stated it was one long Stratford to Barnet route, and I think Sadiq did say as well that it was a Stratford - Barnet route (somebody please correct me if I am wrong), even though the map has a split at Chingford. On top of that, there likely is no stand space available at Chingford for 2 new terminating express routes, as even the 313 cannot get a frequency increase from every 20 minutes to 15, partly due to a lack of stand space at Chingford Station. Personally I think Stratford to Enfield and Harrow to Enfield would be a better split. Be very interesting to see what happens nonetheless. An Enfield & Edgware direct connection would be useful if that was to happen. |
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Post by sdaniel on May 6, 2024 22:01:06 GMT
Personally I think Stratford to Enfield and Harrow to Enfield would be a better split. Be very interesting to see what happens nonetheless. That would definitely be a better place to split the routes - but again, there is no stand space at Enfield as well, so at least one route would have to be moved out of Little Park Gardens, as Enfield Chase can only have 2 buses standing there, and the old W10 stand on Cecil Road would not be able to fit both express routes. If the route could use parts of the A406 and A12, it might help the reliability of the route if it is to be operated as one long route, although reliability during peak times can become extremely bad during peak times. In that case, to make space at Little Park Gardens, it would make sense if the 329 extended to Waltham Cross via 317’s way but also slightly curtailed to Wood Green instead of the 232 bus. Thereby withdrawing the 317. |
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Post by djs76 on May 7, 2024 6:06:33 GMT
That would definitely be a better place to split the routes - but again, there is no stand space at Enfield as well, so at least one route would have to be moved out of Little Park Gardens, as Enfield Chase can only have 2 buses standing there, and the old W10 stand on Cecil Road would not be able to fit both express routes. If the route could use parts of the A406 and A12, it might help the reliability of the route if it is to be operated as one long route, although reliability during peak times can become extremely bad during peak times. In that case, to make space at Little Park Gardens, it would make sense if the 329 extended to Waltham Cross via 317’s way but also slightly curtailed to Wood Green instead of the 232 bus. Thereby withdrawing the 317. I don't think you'd need such a regular service between Enfield and Waltham Cross. The 231 could be extended to Chase Farm Hospital or even diverted back to its previous terminus at Carterhatch. Then you could move the 192 to Enfield Chase (small buses would suit that bus stand better) therefore creating extra space at Little Park Gardens. |
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Post by TB123 on May 7, 2024 6:21:40 GMT
Personally I think Stratford to Enfield and Harrow to Enfield would be a better split. Be very interesting to see what happens nonetheless. That would definitely be a better place to split the routes - but again, there is no stand space at Enfield as well, so at least one route would have to be moved out of Little Park Gardens, as Enfield Chase can only have 2 buses standing there, and the old W10 stand on Cecil Road would not be able to fit both express routes. If the route could use parts of the A406 and A12, it might help the reliability of the route if it is to be operated as one long route, although reliability during peak times can become extremely bad during peak times. I wonder if the Stratford portion could run to Chase Farm and the Harrow portion to the retail park as a way of getting around the stand issues and opening up some other links |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 7, 2024 9:18:58 GMT
Almost everywhere has stated it was one long Stratford to Barnet route, and I think Sadiq did say as well that it was a Stratford - Barnet route (somebody please correct me if I am wrong), even though the map has a split at Chingford. On top of that, there likely is no stand space available at Chingford for 2 new terminating express routes, as even the 313 cannot get a frequency increase from every 20 minutes to 15, partly due to a lack of stand space at Chingford Station. Yeah it is a Stratford to Barnet route because it isn’t going to Chingford Overground Station, it’s going through Chingford Green / Chingford Police Station. There is literally nowhere that says this is a Stratford to Barnet route at the moment. We only have the draft map and that shows it as a Stratford to Chingford route. |
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Post by TB123 on May 7, 2024 9:20:58 GMT
Yeah it is a Stratford to Barnet route because it isn’t going to Chingford Overground Station, it’s going through Chingford Green / Chingford Police Station. There is literally nowhere that says this is a Stratford to Barnet route at the moment. We only have the draft map and that shows it as a Stratford to Chingford route. That's not quite the case, the briefing sent out to the press was 'Barnet to Stratford, via Enfield and Chingford' - but as the caveat on the map notes, it is subject to consultation and not final - just like the SL2 and SL3 were both slightly modified as to what the map showed. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 7, 2024 9:22:28 GMT
There is literally nowhere that says this is a Stratford to Barnet route at the moment. We only have the draft map and that shows it as a Stratford to Chingford route. That's not quite the case, the briefing sent out to the press was 'Barnet to Stratford, via Enfield and Chingford' - but as the caveat on the map notes, it is subject to consultation and not final - just like the SL2 and SL3 were both slightly modified as to what the map showed. Fair enough in that case, although does bring up the case now as to why it's shown as a Stratford to Chingford route on the maps. |
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Post by TB123 on May 7, 2024 9:37:16 GMT
That's not quite the case, the briefing sent out to the press was 'Barnet to Stratford, via Enfield and Chingford' - but as the caveat on the map notes, it is subject to consultation and not final - just like the SL2 and SL3 were both slightly modified as to what the map showed. Fair enough in that case, although does bring up the case now as to why it's shown as a Stratford to Chingford route on the maps. I personally think that structure would make more sense - an SL 307 and an SL 97 - whatever happens, it'll be interesting to see |
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