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Post by vjaska on May 12, 2024 0:47:58 GMT
It's not a promise - it's a target if the government provides the funding otherwise the original target of the early to mid 2030's remains as it was. |
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Post by yunus on May 12, 2024 15:17:32 GMT
It's not a promise - it's a target if the government provides the funding otherwise the original target of the early to mid 2030's remains as it was. The mayor has promised to make the entire bus fleet ZE by 2030. This was also stated on BBC. |
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Post by PGAT on May 12, 2024 15:23:02 GMT
The promise was 2034 but 2030 is dependent on govt funding
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on May 12, 2024 16:05:16 GMT
My prediction in regard to the implementation of the Superloop 2 express bus network is that sometime in 2025, it will be the time where the first Superloop 2 routes will start running. TFL will probably shift their focus on Superloop 2 when route SL4 the final route of the original network starts running when the Silvertown Tunnel opens in March 2025 (its expected opening date) and also when TFL enters a new financial year of 2025-2026 from April next year.
I expect the Bakerloop "SL15" to be the first Superloop 2 route to be implemented as the launch of that route will court press coverage. In addition, I'm also expecting the Superloop 2 consultation to be launched in the coming weeks/months. Mr Khan was quoted to have said "Before we bring in the Superloop 2, we'll be consulting and engaging because I want Londoners to be involved in this. It's really important [that] Londoners are involved and engaged. So, I'd encouraged those who are concerned they may not get the benefit of the Superloop 2 to please make sure they respond to the presentation". Going by that quote, I imagine the Superloop 2 routes consultation(s) could have extended responding time than usual.
Finally on the vehicles front, I am expecting all Superloop 2 routes to be zero emission from the get go because now Mr Khan and TFL are not constrained by the Mayoral election and its associated pre-election rules so they have the time to add the Superloop 2 routes to the tendering programme and enter negotiations with operators within the tenders of the Superloop 2 routes at their own pace.
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Post by PGAT on May 12, 2024 17:16:50 GMT
Will the Bakerloop require consultation given that the route is basically set in stone?
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Post by wirewiper on May 12, 2024 17:28:46 GMT
Will the Bakerloop require consultation given that the route is basically set in stone? Yes it will. A consultation gives TfL an opportunity to explain the thinking behind the route, stopping places, possible bus priority measures along the route and any impact on existing services (such as frequency reductions on parallel routes). Various stakeholders (e.g.local councils) as well as the general public will want the opportunity to give feedback, make suggestions regarding stopping places, frequencies and possible extensions and generally have their say. |
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Post by londonbuses on May 12, 2024 17:32:22 GMT
My prediction in regard to the implementation of the Superloop 2 express bus network is that sometime in 2025, it will be the time where the first Superloop 2 routes will start running. TFL will probably shift their focus on Superloop 2 when route SL4 the final route of the original network starts running when the Silvertown Tunnel opens in March 2025 (its expected opening date) and also when TFL enters a new financial year of 2025-2026 from April next year. I expect the Bakerloop "SL15" to be the first Superloop 2 route to be implemented as the launch of that route will court press coverage. In addition, I'm also expecting the Superloop 2 consultation to be launched in the coming weeks/months. Mr Khan was quoted to have said "Before we bring in the Superloop 2, we'll be consulting and engaging because I want Londoners to be involved in this. It's really important [that] Londoners are involved and engaged. So, I'd encouraged those who are concerned they may not get the benefit of the Superloop 2 to please make sure they respond to the presentation". Going by that quote, I imagine the Superloop 2 routes consultation(s) could have extended responding time than usual. Finally on the vehicles front, I am expecting all Superloop 2 routes to be zero emission from the get go because now Mr Khan and TFL are not constrained by the Mayoral election and its associated pre-election rules so they have the time to add the Superloop 2 routes to the tendering programme and enter negotiations with operators within the tenders of the Superloop 2 routes at their own pace. I hope the consultations are grouped together into areas and not route by route (excluding the "Bakerloop" which has no relevance to the other routes) as most of the ideas I have for improvements involve changing multiple of the planned routes (and in some cases the existing ones). |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 12, 2024 18:12:36 GMT
The promise was 2034 but 2030 is dependent on govt funding Personally I think 2032 would be a good meet in the middle then every contract from 2025 can be for 5 years. 25, 405, 425 till 2030, 54, 75, 208 etc till 2031 the last in 2027 which could be 209, 378, K1 till 2032. Then atleast every hybrid or diesel can have a 10 year london life. |
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Post by vjaska on May 12, 2024 18:45:10 GMT
It's not a promise - it's a target if the government provides the funding otherwise the original target of the early to mid 2030's remains as it was. The mayor has promised to make the entire bus fleet ZE by 2030. This was also stated on BBC. That is conditional on the government providing funding as mentioned by PGAT |
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Post by mondraker275 on May 12, 2024 18:45:40 GMT
Will the Bakerloop require consultation given that the route is basically set in stone? How is it different from any other proposal. They are all set in stone  I think this will be the first with the X472 which has already got the funding if I am not mistaken? As mentioned, they cant be launched before SL4 or the election but I do expect the first few to start by end 2025. I think the electric bus target takes priority over SuperLoop 2 if there are funding issues. I also want improvements to current SuperLoop routes before any new ones added. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 12, 2024 19:18:01 GMT
Will the Bakerloop require consultation given that the route is basically set in stone? How is it different from any other proposal. They are all set in stone I think this will be the first with the X472 which has already got the funding if I am not mistaken? As mentioned, they cant be launched before SL4 or the election but I do expect the first few to start by end 2025. I think the electric bus target takes priority over SuperLoop 2 if there are funding issues. I also want improvements to current SuperLoop routes before any new ones added. I think officially the funding was for a Thamesmead waterfront BRT, I'd be slightly annoyed if the promise was a BRT and you just got a Superloop route instead. But what you do say sounds plausible as it probably would fit in the criteria and get the job done a lot cheaper than a BRT. |
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Post by PGAT on May 12, 2024 19:33:26 GMT
Will the Bakerloop require consultation given that the route is basically set in stone? How is it different from any other proposal. They are all set in stone I think this will be the first with the X472 which has already got the funding if I am not mistaken? As mentioned, they cant be launched before SL4 or the election but I do expect the first few to start by end 2025. I think the electric bus target takes priority over SuperLoop 2 if there are funding issues. I also want improvements to current SuperLoop routes before any new ones added. I say this because a consultation won't change the fact that it will serve New Cross Gate, Elephant & Castle and Lewisham via the Old Kent Road. The Streatham to Eltham route in comparison is very ambiguous and could go via a whole plethora of routes |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 12, 2024 19:34:58 GMT
The mayor has promised to make the entire bus fleet ZE by 2030. This was also stated on BBC. That is conditional on the government providing funding as mentioned by PGATVery true. The Government could just as easily be presented with a plan by Tracey Brabin for bringing a london/Manchester style bus network to West Yorkshire and they could easily say let's look at London next year not this year. The DfT is going to be inundated with requests for funds that nothing is set in stone for London at all. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 12, 2024 20:52:18 GMT
That is conditional on the government providing funding as mentioned by PGATVery true. The Government could just as easily be presented with a plan by Tracey Brabin for bringing a london/Manchester style bus network to West Yorkshire and they could easily say let's look at London next year not this year. The DfT is going to be inundated with requests for funds that nothing is set in stone for London at all. Like I’ve said many times before I don’t think there will be any new funding for London, even if Labour win Downing Street. I think any government could easily change the funding model to allow London to keep more of the cash it generates with maybe increased business rates retentions or new taxes directly funded to city hall but that wouldn’t necessarily be new funding, just devolved funding. It’s a simple mode that could be replicated across the country. However it would likely mean less money centrally so infrastructure projects would likely have to funded and managed more locally rather than nationally. |
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Post by vjaska on May 12, 2024 21:00:00 GMT
How is it different from any other proposal. They are all set in stone I think this will be the first with the X472 which has already got the funding if I am not mistaken? As mentioned, they cant be launched before SL4 or the election but I do expect the first few to start by end 2025. I think the electric bus target takes priority over SuperLoop 2 if there are funding issues. I also want improvements to current SuperLoop routes before any new ones added. I say this because a consultation won't change the fact that it will serve New Cross Gate, Elephant & Castle and Lewisham via the Old Kent Road. The Streatham to Eltham route in comparison is very ambiguous and could go via a whole plethora of routes The Streatham to Eltham route had the details "via Tulse Hill & Lee" - now whilst that could suddenly change when a consultation drops, it suggests it's only going via one route and that's straight along the A205 as that's the most direct way between all four places. |
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