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Post by PGAT on Jun 1, 2024 16:15:48 GMT
I have just noticed on the map Streatham does not have the national rail symbol next to it. Is it a hint that it will be standing elsewhere in Streatham (eg St Leonards Church) or is this just an error I'm reading too much into?
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 1, 2024 18:20:40 GMT
SL7 has a decent shot but not sure about the others Night Routes should call at all stops I would say. 123 covers SL2 who would want to go North Woolwich Ferry at night other than workers N68 covers SL6 N207 covers SL8 N140 covers SL9 183 covers SL10 Savvy passengers at night use the Woolwich and Greenwich foot tunnels in east London. It can dramatically cut your journey time instead of having to head through central London to cross the Thames. Also with the weekend Blackwall Tunnel closures of late, people aren't bothering to take the 108 for a Tube journey they may have to pay extra for if there's no gateline staff. If timings line up, I can get home from south-east London in 45 minutes crossing the foot tunnel compared to 75 mins minimum going through central or using the 108. More people use the tunnels in the wee hours than you think.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 1, 2024 18:43:59 GMT
Night Routes should call at all stops I would say. 123 covers SL2 who would want to go North Woolwich Ferry at night other than workers N68 covers SL6 N207 covers SL8 N140 covers SL9 183 covers SL10 Savvy passengers at night use the Woolwich and Greenwich foot tunnels in east London. It can dramatically cut your journey time instead of having to head through central London to cross the Thames. Also with the weekend Blackwall Tunnel closures of late, people aren't bothering to take the 108 for a Tube journey they may have to pay extra for if there's no gateline staff. If timings line up, I can get home from south-east London in 45 minutes crossing the foot tunnel compared to 75 mins minimum going through central or using the 108. More people use the tunnels in the wee hours than you think. If only the councils involved could get their act together and fix the lifts. Would make the day Superloop service even more attractive to cross the river.
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 1, 2024 19:23:20 GMT
Savvy passengers at night use the Woolwich and Greenwich foot tunnels in east London. It can dramatically cut your journey time instead of having to head through central London to cross the Thames. Also with the weekend Blackwall Tunnel closures of late, people aren't bothering to take the 108 for a Tube journey they may have to pay extra for if there's no gateline staff. If timings line up, I can get home from south-east London in 45 minutes crossing the foot tunnel compared to 75 mins minimum going through central or using the 108. More people use the tunnels in the wee hours than you think. If only the councils involved could get their act together and fix the lifts. Would make the day Superloop service even more attractive to cross the river. It is a travesty as you say. Woolwich's [southbound] lift has only just started working after being out of service since January, and that's it. The lift on the northbound side in North Woolwich nor any of the lifts in the Greenwich foot tunnel are currently operational. I believe all lifts are made by Mitsubishi and have a considerable delay when ordering replacement parts (I know this first hand from a job a few years ago). There is some sympathy but unfortunately the maintenance by Greenwich, Newham and Tower Hamlet councils is lacking from all parties. A catalyst of the lifts not working is discarded Lime bikes in the tunnels and also on the stairs, causing a health & safety issue. At last count, there are 15 scattered in Woolwich tunnel and 18 electric bikes in Greenwich.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 1, 2024 19:24:21 GMT
Savvy passengers at night use the Woolwich and Greenwich foot tunnels in east London. It can dramatically cut your journey time instead of having to head through central London to cross the Thames. Also with the weekend Blackwall Tunnel closures of late, people aren't bothering to take the 108 for a Tube journey they may have to pay extra for if there's no gateline staff. If timings line up, I can get home from south-east London in 45 minutes crossing the foot tunnel compared to 75 mins minimum going through central or using the 108. More people use the tunnels in the wee hours than you think. If only the councils involved could get their act together and fix the lifts. Would make the day Superloop service even more attractive to cross the river. Arguably its no different to Hammersmith Bridge really where people make the crossing on foot as opposed to going miles around Chiswick or Putney Bridge. I'd never really thought it before but if say you wanted to go from Woolwich to Beckton then walking through the tunnel then getting the 474 would be quite a quick option.
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Post by MKAY315 on Jun 1, 2024 20:17:24 GMT
If only the councils involved could get their act together and fix the lifts. Would make the day Superloop service even more attractive to cross the river. Arguably its no different to Hammersmith Bridge really where people make the crossing on foot as opposed to going miles around Chiswick or Putney Bridge. I'd never really thought it before but if say you wanted to go from Woolwich to Beckton then walking through the tunnel then getting the 474 would be quite a quick option. And that my friend was why when I went to Orpington from Stratford a while back I decided to go with the 473 and 51 as opposed to the 108 and 208. That has become my staple route now. I'd only get the 208 if I'm in Lewisham and I need to go to Bromley otherwise I avoid that corridor and go through the 227 instead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 1, 2024 20:41:36 GMT
Arguably its no different to Hammersmith Bridge really where people make the crossing on foot as opposed to going miles around Chiswick or Putney Bridge. I'd never really thought it before but if say you wanted to go from Woolwich to Beckton then walking through the tunnel then getting the 474 would be quite a quick option. And that my friend was why when I went to Orpington from Stratford a while back I decided to go with the 473 and 51 as opposed to the 108 and 208. That has become my staple route now. I'd only get the 208 if I'm in Lewisham and I need to go to Bromley otherwise I avoid that corridor and go through the 227 instead. Do you know what I'm going to use the tunnels more now for connecting to buses. Good tip thank you.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 1, 2024 23:18:26 GMT
I have just noticed on the map Streatham does not have the national rail symbol next to it. Is it a hint that it will be standing elsewhere in Streatham (eg St Leonards Church) or is this just an error I'm reading too much into? I had a feeling it would always be St Leonards Church given there is an available stand there whereas there probably isn't enough space at Tesco for another frequent route. The biggest problem with the St Leonards Church stand is it misses out on the important objective of Streatham Tesco & Station and also, it's not in an ideal location either. Of course, nothing is set in stone so far.
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Post by MKAY315 on Jun 2, 2024 2:46:37 GMT
I have just noticed on the map Streatham does not have the national rail symbol next to it. Is it a hint that it will be standing elsewhere in Streatham (eg St Leonards Church) or is this just an error I'm reading too much into? I had a feeling it would always be St Leonards Church given there is an available stand there whereas there probably isn't enough space at Tesco for another frequent route. The biggest problem with the St Leonards Church stand is it misses out on the important objective of Streatham Tesco & Station and also, it's not in an ideal location either. Of course, nothing is set in stone so far. The one plausible way they could get around this is bringing the St Leonard's Church stand back to use as you mentioned but have the 60 stand there (I know it's not fully ideal and even that one way system at St Leonard's Church can be choc-a-bloc). It may have been suggested before but if it hasn't the reason I more chose the 60 and not the 133 or P13 is because by keeping those routes at Streatham station you're allowing all three routes to serve the station and the superloop route can go there and thus nothing is missed out and considering the 60 more comes from the south if the transport towers choose to go with that option then it could be the less of two evils
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Post by TB123 on Jun 2, 2024 8:22:09 GMT
I had a feeling it would always be St Leonards Church given there is an available stand there whereas there probably isn't enough space at Tesco for another frequent route. The biggest problem with the St Leonards Church stand is it misses out on the important objective of Streatham Tesco & Station and also, it's not in an ideal location either. Of course, nothing is set in stone so far. The one plausible way they could get around this is bringing the St Leonard's Church stand back to use as you mentioned but have the 60 stand there (I know it's not fully ideal and even that one way system at St Leonard's Church can be choc-a-bloc). It may have been suggested before but if it hasn't the reason I more chose the 60 and not the 133 or P13 is because by keeping those routes at Streatham station you're allowing all three routes to serve the station and the superloop route can go there and thus nothing is missed out and considering the 60 more comes from the south if the transport towers choose to go with that option then it could be the less of two evils Agree with this. Be a real backwards step if the 133, P13 or the new Superloop route didn't serve the Tesco, leisure centre and rail station imo as they are local traffic objectives. The 60 swinging round at St Leonard's seems a good call - but I wonder if you could even send it to Streatham Hill station within the same PVR envelope you'd need for the one-way system at St Leonard's.
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Post by PGAT on Jun 2, 2024 9:11:57 GMT
It is still possible for the new Superloop route to serve the Tesco while terminating at St Leonard’s Church if it heads south and turn via Streatham Common North. Then it would reach West Norwood and interchange with the SL6 could be provided there without necessitating a new stop at Tulse Hill
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Post by vjaska on Jun 2, 2024 11:33:50 GMT
It is still possible for the new Superloop route to serve the Tesco while terminating at St Leonard’s Church if it heads south and turn via Streatham Common North. Then it would reach West Norwood and interchange with the SL6 could be provided there without necessitating a new stop at Tulse Hill You would still end up running via Tulse Hill in the end so a stop at Tulse Hill would still have to be provided. It also completely misses out the majority of the shopping area in Streatham.
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Post by PGAT on Jun 2, 2024 11:35:27 GMT
It is still possible for the new Superloop route to serve the Tesco while terminating at St Leonard’s Church if it heads south and turn via Streatham Common North. Then it would reach West Norwood and interchange with the SL6 could be provided there without necessitating a new stop at Tulse Hill You would still end up running via Tulse Hill in the end so a stop at Tulse Hill would still have to be provided. It also completely misses out the majority of the shopping area in Streatham. What I was referring to is that the SL6 wouldn't need to stop at Tulse Hill
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Post by vjaska on Jun 2, 2024 12:07:38 GMT
You would still end up running via Tulse Hill in the end so a stop at Tulse Hill would still have to be provided. It also completely misses out the majority of the shopping area in Streatham. What I was referring to is that the SL6 wouldn't need to stop at Tulse Hill But the SL6 doesn’t stop at Tulse Hill and AFAIK, has never done so as an X68 - are you suggesting that they should provide a stop at Tulse Hill for interchange?
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Post by PGAT on Jun 2, 2024 12:12:08 GMT
What I was referring to is that the SL6 wouldn't need to stop at Tulse Hill But the SL6 doesn’t stop at Tulse Hill and AFAIK, has never done so as an X68 - are you suggesting that they should provide a stop at Tulse Hill for interchange? I'm not but the map suggests that a stop will be added for interchange with the new route. What I'm suggesting is a way to prevent that from happening.
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