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Post by vjaska on Jun 2, 2024 14:03:53 GMT
But the SL6 doesn’t stop at Tulse Hill and AFAIK, has never done so as an X68 - are you suggesting that they should provide a stop at Tulse Hill for interchange? I'm not but the map suggests that a stop will be added for interchange with the new route. What I'm suggesting is a way to prevent that from happening. Fair enough, sorry was just confused with the original reply but thanks for clearing it up. |
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Post by Paul on Jun 2, 2024 14:30:59 GMT
I wonder whether TfL may consider some of the Superloop routes becoming 24 hour services? SL7 has a decent shot but not sure the others would be viable. Maybe the SL3? If there was going to be a night service over the SL3 then it would already exist in the form of an N269 or N229. I don’t think the demand is there. On the contrary - I don’t think it’s really necessary for us to be running after about 10pm. We are little quicker than a 269 between Bromley and Bexleyheath and pretty much only exist for the Abbey Wood to Sidcup link for a handful of people. So yeah, rather than 24hr operation I could see the evening service being severely reduced |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 2, 2024 15:26:24 GMT
I wonder whether TfL may consider some of the Superloop routes becoming 24 hour services? SL7 has a decent shot but not sure the others would be viable. Maybe the SL3? I think there's a case for a stopping service between Croydon and Heathrow but I really can't see any need for a limited stop service at night. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 2, 2024 15:44:14 GMT
SL7 has a decent shot but not sure the others would be viable. Maybe the SL3? I think there's a case for a stopping service between Croydon and Heathrow but I really can't see any need for a limited stop service at night. If the SL7 was more set up like the SL8 where there are only two or three stops skipped then maybe but with the huge gaps between stops it’s a non-starter for me. |
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Post by PGAT on Jun 2, 2024 15:56:39 GMT
I disagree because the SL7 is fundamentally different because it is so long. I see no reason why express routes can’t run at night other than the precedent that has been set
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 2, 2024 16:13:26 GMT
I disagree because the SL7 is fundamentally different because it is so long. I see no reason why express routes can’t run at night other than the precedent that has been set Night routes are long too. The night routes are quick so not much express to gain with SL. Also, it's night so people would probably prefer a stop closer to their home. As others have mentioned if it is needed then it is case of finding night routes that cover the roads SL routes cover. |
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Post by I-Azusio-I on Jun 2, 2024 16:13:48 GMT
If only the councils involved could get their act together and fix the lifts. Would make the day Superloop service even more attractive to cross the river. It is a travesty as you say. Woolwich's [southbound] lift has only just started working after being out of service since January, and that's it. The lift on the northbound side in North Woolwich nor any of the lifts in the Greenwich foot tunnel are currently operational. I believe all lifts are made by Mitsubishi and have a considerable delay when ordering replacement parts (I know this first hand from a job a few years ago). There is some sympathy but unfortunately the maintenance by Greenwich, Newham and Tower Hamlet councils is lacking from all parties. A catalyst of the lifts not working is discarded Lime bikes in the tunnels and also on the stairs, causing a health & safety issue. At last count, there are 15 scattered in Woolwich tunnel and 18 electric bikes in Greenwich. I can't say I'm surprised about the electric bikes being left in there. A few months ago, I rode a Lime Bike through Greenwich foot tunnel unaware that the lift at the northern end was out of bounds. As you can't end the ride in the tunnel due to it being in the red zone, I had to carry it up and it definitely wasn't a task for the weak. Those bikes are f*****g heavy and there are around 100 steps that you go up in order to get to street level. |
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 2, 2024 17:44:22 GMT
It is a travesty as you say. Woolwich's [southbound] lift has only just started working after being out of service since January, and that's it. The lift on the northbound side in North Woolwich nor any of the lifts in the Greenwich foot tunnel are currently operational. I believe all lifts are made by Mitsubishi and have a considerable delay when ordering replacement parts (I know this first hand from a job a few years ago). There is some sympathy but unfortunately the maintenance by Greenwich, Newham and Tower Hamlet councils is lacking from all parties. A catalyst of the lifts not working is discarded Lime bikes in the tunnels and also on the stairs, causing a health & safety issue. At last count, there are 15 scattered in Woolwich tunnel and 18 electric bikes in Greenwich. I can't say I'm surprised about the electric bikes being left in there. A few months ago, I rode a Lime Bike through Greenwich foot tunnel unaware that the lift at the northern end was out of bounds. As you can't end the ride in the tunnel due to it being in the red zone, I had to carry it up and it definitely wasn't a task for the weak. Those bikes are f*****g heavy and there are around 100 steps that you go up in order to get to street level. After passing through Greenwich foot tunnel last night, I can confirm that both lifts are now working and all bikes are cleared. I was pleasantly surprised for a second, then remembered the DLR is closing an hour earlier pretty much nightly for the next month. That's not a coincidence now is it? 🤔 EDIT: To keep this topical, I hope they show the same urgency for Woolwich foot tunnel lifts. It does hinder the SL2 and makes it unattractive for those physically unable to walk 7/8 flights of steps. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jun 2, 2024 18:00:47 GMT
I can't say I'm surprised about the electric bikes being left in there. A few months ago, I rode a Lime Bike through Greenwich foot tunnel unaware that the lift at the northern end was out of bounds. As you can't end the ride in the tunnel due to it being in the red zone, I had to carry it up and it definitely wasn't a task for the weak. Those bikes are f*****g heavy and there are around 100 steps that you go up in order to get to street level. After passing through Greenwich foot tunnel last night, I can confirm that both lifts are now working and all bikes are cleared. I was pleasantly surprised for a second, then remembered the DLR is closing an hour earlier pretty much nightly for the next month. That's not a coincidence now is it? 🤔 EDIT: To keep this topical, I hope they show the same urgency for Woolwich foot tunnel lifts. It does hinder the SL2 and makes it unattractive for those physically unable to work 7/8 flights of steps. Ive used the Woolwich foot tunnel quite a lot coming off the 473 and I can’t remember the last time I saw both the lifts working at the same time. But you can use the ferry as a pedestrian though if you’ve got mobility issues, saved you going down underground |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 2, 2024 20:50:55 GMT
If only the councils involved could get their act together and fix the lifts. Would make the day Superloop service even more attractive to cross the river. It is a travesty as you say. Woolwich's [southbound] lift has only just started working after being out of service since January, and that's it. The lift on the northbound side in North Woolwich nor any of the lifts in the Greenwich foot tunnel are currently operational. I believe all lifts are made by Mitsubishi and have a considerable delay when ordering replacement parts (I know this first hand from a job a few years ago). There is some sympathy but unfortunately the maintenance by Greenwich, Newham and Tower Hamlet councils is lacking from all parties. A catalyst of the lifts not working is discarded Lime bikes in the tunnels and also on the stairs, causing a health & safety issue. At last count, there are 15 scattered in Woolwich tunnel and 18 electric bikes in Greenwich. How safe do they feel to use at night? Are there any staff on duty? What’s the alternative to the lift, a spiral staircase? |
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 2, 2024 21:32:46 GMT
It is a travesty as you say. Woolwich's [southbound] lift has only just started working after being out of service since January, and that's it. The lift on the northbound side in North Woolwich nor any of the lifts in the Greenwich foot tunnel are currently operational. I believe all lifts are made by Mitsubishi and have a considerable delay when ordering replacement parts (I know this first hand from a job a few years ago). There is some sympathy but unfortunately the maintenance by Greenwich, Newham and Tower Hamlet councils is lacking from all parties. A catalyst of the lifts not working is discarded Lime bikes in the tunnels and also on the stairs, causing a health & safety issue. At last count, there are 15 scattered in Woolwich tunnel and 18 electric bikes in Greenwich. How safe do they feel to use at night? Are there any staff on duty? What’s the alternative to the lift, a spiral staircase? Simply due to the lighting and location, Greenwich foot tunnel feels safer to use. Woolwich's southbound exit is covertly placed behind the leisure centre and there isn't enough street lighting placed on the entrance/exit. Despite that, I have never felt threatened in the tunnels and in fact, I have had more chats struck up by people in the tunnel than I do on a bus! When scheduled works are being conducted, the DLR is the official alternative either stop of the Thames on the Lewisham and Woolwich branches. Otherwise the tunnels can always be accessed by staircase. |
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Post by borneobus on Jun 2, 2024 22:10:59 GMT
How safe do they feel to use at night? Are there any staff on duty? What’s the alternative to the lift, a spiral staircase? Simply due to the lighting and location, Greenwich foot tunnel feels safer to use. Woolwich's southbound exit is covertly placed behind the leisure centre and there isn't enough street lighting placed on the entrance/exit. Despite that, I have never felt threatened in the tunnels and in fact, I have had more chats struck up by people in the tunnel than I do on a bus! When scheduled works are being conducted, the DLR is the official alternative either stop of the Thames on the Lewisham and Woolwich branches. Otherwise the tunnels can always be accessed by staircase. Agreed, I'm not a regular user but Greenwich does 'feel' safer; may be it's partially due to usage and that Greenwich enjoys four times the number of users compared to Woolwich and yes the southern entrance to Woolwich tunnel is rather bizarre. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 3, 2024 1:53:45 GMT
I had a feeling it would always be St Leonards Church given there is an available stand there whereas there probably isn't enough space at Tesco for another frequent route. The biggest problem with the St Leonards Church stand is it misses out on the important objective of Streatham Tesco & Station and also, it's not in an ideal location either. Of course, nothing is set in stone so far. The one plausible way they could get around this is bringing the St Leonard's Church stand back to use as you mentioned but have the 60 stand there (I know it's not fully ideal and even that one way system at St Leonard's Church can be choc-a-bloc). It may have been suggested before but if it hasn't the reason I more chose the 60 and not the 133 or P13 is because by keeping those routes at Streatham station you're allowing all three routes to serve the station and the superloop route can go there and thus nothing is missed out and considering the 60 more comes from the south if the transport towers choose to go with that option then it could be the less of two evils With the amount of time it takes to go round the one way system I would say no route should stand at St Leonard’s Church especially the 60 it would probably cost another bus just to run that. The stand no longer exists I believe unless I’ve missed it. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2024 11:33:09 GMT
The one plausible way they could get around this is bringing the St Leonard's Church stand back to use as you mentioned but have the 60 stand there (I know it's not fully ideal and even that one way system at St Leonard's Church can be choc-a-bloc). It may have been suggested before but if it hasn't the reason I more chose the 60 and not the 133 or P13 is because by keeping those routes at Streatham station you're allowing all three routes to serve the station and the superloop route can go there and thus nothing is missed out and considering the 60 more comes from the south if the transport towers choose to go with that option then it could be the less of two evils With the amount of time it takes to go round the one way system I would say no route should stand at St Leonard’s Church especially the 60 it would probably cost another bus just to run that. The stand no longer exists I believe unless I’ve missed it. It’s on Ambleside Avenue these days |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 11:40:34 GMT
With the amount of time it takes to go round the one way system I would say no route should stand at St Leonard’s Church especially the 60 it would probably cost another bus just to run that. The stand no longer exists I believe unless I’ve missed it. It’s on Ambleside Avenue these days Is that what's used by 57s that only go to St Leonard's? |
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