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Post by JUNIOR26 on Jun 3, 2024 11:41:52 GMT
With the amount of time it takes to go round the one way system I would say no route should stand at St Leonard’s Church especially the 60 it would probably cost another bus just to run that. The stand no longer exists I believe unless I’ve missed it. It’s on Ambleside Avenue these days I believe if I stand correct the 133 used to stand at St Leonard's Church before it moved down to Streatham Station. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2024 13:44:30 GMT
It’s on Ambleside Avenue these days I believe if I stand correct the 133 used to stand at St Leonard's Church before it moved down to Streatham Station. Yes, the old stand was on Tooting Bec Gardens next to the regular stop that's still there. 133's would stand there if not running light to N - those ones would alight on Streatham High Road at St Leonards Church and then run to N. Before the 133 was cut back from Tooting Broadway, the 319 would of been the last regular user, standing there during the week as only the Saturday shopping hour journeys continued to BN. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2024 13:45:58 GMT
It’s on Ambleside Avenue these days Is that what's used by 57s that only go to St Leonard's? I don't think they use the current stand because the road system from Mitcham Lane doesn't allow you to access it. Presumably, 57's still run via where the old stand was in order to get back to Mitcham Lane |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 3, 2024 13:51:06 GMT
Is that what's used by 57s that only go to St Leonard's? I don't think they use the current stand because the road system from Mitcham Lane doesn't allow you to access it. Presumably, 57's still run via where the old stand was in order to get back to Mitcham Lane Yes they do anything that terminates at Streatham, St Leonard’s Church Northbound (57 201 249 333) uses Tooting Bec Gardens to return. I looked on Google Maps never even knew that stand on the lower part existed. That stand can only be accessed from Streatham High Road. I don’t see the point because Northbound Buses can use Streatham Bus Stand if they were turned there. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 3, 2024 13:53:51 GMT
I believe if I stand correct the 133 used to stand at St Leonard's Church before it moved down to Streatham Station. Yes, the old stand was on Tooting Bec Gardens next to the regular stop that's still there. 133's would stand there if not running light to N - those ones would alight on Streatham High Road at St Leonards Church and then run to N. Before the 133 was cut back from Tooting Broadway, the 319 would of been the last regular user, standing there during the week as only the Saturday shopping hour journeys continued to BN. Thank you for confirming. The stand definitively no longer exists. Personally I would not want to see another stand there it’s a nightmare to even get to that bus stop with coaches parked there overnight. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 14:10:56 GMT
Is that what's used by 57s that only go to St Leonard's? I don't think they use the current stand because the road system from Mitcham Lane doesn't allow you to access it. Presumably, 57's still run via where the old stand was in order to get back to Mitcham Lane Possibly they just hesitate there for a few mins then head back as opposed to actually standing. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 14:12:46 GMT
Yes, the old stand was on Tooting Bec Gardens next to the regular stop that's still there. 133's would stand there if not running light to N - those ones would alight on Streatham High Road at St Leonards Church and then run to N. Before the 133 was cut back from Tooting Broadway, the 319 would of been the last regular user, standing there during the week as only the Saturday shopping hour journeys continued to BN. Thank you for confirming. The stand definitively no longer exists. Personally I would not want to see another stand there it’s a nightmare to even get to that bus stop with coaches parked there overnight. Definitely. That would slow the 249/319/G1 down if they had to swing round the parked buses there. I never thought it was a very good stand for the 133 for that reason. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 14:14:29 GMT
I believe if I stand correct the 133 used to stand at St Leonard's Church before it moved down to Streatham Station. Yes, the old stand was on Tooting Bec Gardens next to the regular stop that's still there. 133's would stand there if not running light to N - those ones would alight on Streatham High Road at St Leonards Church and then run to N. Before the 133 was cut back from Tooting Broadway, the 319 would of been the last regular user, standing there during the week as only the Saturday shopping hour journeys continued to BN. I think some used to be controversially miss out going round the triangle there and not drop off at the St Leonard's stop (the one the 249/315/319 etc serves) when they were going to N. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 3, 2024 14:39:56 GMT
Yes, the old stand was on Tooting Bec Gardens next to the regular stop that's still there. 133's would stand there if not running light to N - those ones would alight on Streatham High Road at St Leonards Church and then run to N. Before the 133 was cut back from Tooting Broadway, the 319 would of been the last regular user, standing there during the week as only the Saturday shopping hour journeys continued to BN. I think some used to be controversially miss out going round the triangle there and not drop off at the St Leonard's stop (the one the 249/315/319 etc serves) when they were going to N. Hardly shocking this actually should not have been done. The same thing used to happen outside Streatham Station instead of driving into the Bus Terminal very unfair if someone has mobility issues and being forced to cross that big road. I can see this sort of thing happening at Camberwell Green if Q or WL ever gain the route. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2024 16:08:00 GMT
Yes, the old stand was on Tooting Bec Gardens next to the regular stop that's still there. 133's would stand there if not running light to N - those ones would alight on Streatham High Road at St Leonards Church and then run to N. Before the 133 was cut back from Tooting Broadway, the 319 would of been the last regular user, standing there during the week as only the Saturday shopping hour journeys continued to BN. I think some used to be controversially miss out going round the triangle there and not drop off at the St Leonard's stop (the one the 249/315/319 etc serves) when they were going to N. That's what I referred to in my reply - they would stop at the High Road stop instead which is where 99% of people were going to anyway. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 17:28:06 GMT
I think some used to be controversially miss out going round the triangle there and not drop off at the St Leonard's stop (the one the 249/315/319 etc serves) when they were going to N. That's what I referred to in my reply - they would stop at the High Road stop instead which is where 99% of people were going to anyway. The going towards Norbury stop? |
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Post by finchleybuslover on Jun 3, 2024 19:50:22 GMT
The proposed Superloop 2 routes, all subject to consultation, are: Harrow to Barnet, via Edgware Barnet to Stratford, via Enfield and Chingford Leytonstone to South Havering, via Gants Hill and Romford North Greenwich to Thamesmead, via Woolwich ‘Bakerloop line’: Elephant and Castle to Lewisham, via Old Kent Road and New Cross Streatham to Eltham, via Tulse Hill and Lee Richmond to Wimbledon, via Roehampton Ealing Broadway to Kingston, via Great West Road and Richmond Hounslow to Hammersmith, via Great West Road Hendon to Ealing Broadway, via Brent Cross and Hanger Lane why on Earth do we need another bus for harrow from Barnet maybe one that interchanges with the sl10 but otherwise no Hendon to Ealing Broadway is also kinda useless maybe an X112 would be better. Barnet to Stratford is ridiculously long and stupid and probably wouldn’t provide any good connections so you’re better off taking the train. Idk about the others but making Barnet a hub is ridiculous in my opinion |
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Post by uakari on Jun 3, 2024 20:18:05 GMT
The proposed Superloop 2 routes, all subject to consultation, are: Harrow to Barnet, via Edgware Barnet to Stratford, via Enfield and Chingford Leytonstone to South Havering, via Gants Hill and Romford North Greenwich to Thamesmead, via Woolwich ‘Bakerloop line’: Elephant and Castle to Lewisham, via Old Kent Road and New Cross Streatham to Eltham, via Tulse Hill and Lee Richmond to Wimbledon, via Roehampton Ealing Broadway to Kingston, via Great West Road and Richmond Hounslow to Hammersmith, via Great West Road Hendon to Ealing Broadway, via Brent Cross and Hanger Lane why on Earth do we need another bus for harrow from Barnet maybe one that interchanges with the sl10 but otherwise no Hendon to Ealing Broadway is also kinda useless maybe an X112 would be better. Barnet to Stratford is ridiculously long and stupid and probably wouldn’t provide any good connections so you’re better off taking the train. Idk about the others but making Barnet a hub is ridiculous in my opinion There aren't any buses from Harrow to Barnet (which is the town that the borough is named after). The previous round was giving two more routes to North Finchley (which is already seen by TfL as deserving of multiple new and extended services despite not being much of destination itself), when the superloop south of the river was in actual outer London that is most disadvantaged by ULEZ (zones 5 and 6, not 3 and 4). So this seemingly is an attempt to rectify that, although more of a concern is why they won't restore the 384 to the routing it was designed for if they are adding another 'direct' route to Edgware from Barnet. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2024 21:59:18 GMT
That's what I referred to in my reply - they would stop at the High Road stop instead which is where 99% of people were going to anyway. The going towards Norbury stop? Yeah that one |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2024 22:05:36 GMT
why on Earth do we need another bus for harrow from Barnet maybe one that interchanges with the sl10 but otherwise no Hendon to Ealing Broadway is also kinda useless maybe an X112 would be better. Barnet to Stratford is ridiculously long and stupid and probably wouldn’t provide any good connections so you’re better off taking the train. Idk about the others but making Barnet a hub is ridiculous in my opinion There aren't any buses from Harrow to Barnet (which is the town that the borough is named after). The previous round was giving two more routes to North Finchley (which is already seen by TfL as deserving of multiple new and extended services despite not being much of destination itself), when the superloop south of the river was in actual outer London that is most disadvantaged by ULEZ (zones 5 and 6, not 3 and 4). So this seemingly is an attempt to rectify that, although more of a concern is why they won't restore the 384 to the routing it was designed for if they are adding another 'direct' route to Edgware from Barnet. In all fairness, until a consultation appears, we have no idea what additional changes to existing routes will happen along any of the second batch of Superloop routes. My gut says the 384 will be pulled back to Quinta Drive as it used to be but sadly, I’ve a feeling they won’t restore the rest of the routing even though I think they should |
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