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Post by sdaniel on Jun 27, 2024 1:08:19 GMT
Concerning the SL11 (Harrow - Barnet) and the SL12 (Barnet - Stratford), I realistically think TFL are going to extend the SL11 and curtail the SL12.
This is what I think TFL will do.
SL11 (Harrow - Enfield Bus Garage)
SL12 (Enfield Town - Stratford)
This is more realistic to make the service run reliably. I know some people said the SL12 should only run to Chingford but that would make the route quite short and no new links would be created by this.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2024 11:41:13 GMT
Concerning the SL11 (Harrow - Barnet) and the SL12 (Barnet - Stratford), I realistically think TFL are going to extend the SL11 and curtail the SL12. This is what I think TFL will do. SL11 (Harrow - Enfield Bus Garage)SL12 (Enfield Town - Stratford)This is more realistic to make the service run reliably. I know some people said the SL12 should only run to Chingford but that would make the route quite short and no new links would be created by this. I don’t see any point of running the SL12 beyond Chingford to Stratford when the 97 corridor is slow & narrow. SL11 from Harrow to Barnet and SL12 from Barnet to Chingford means you have two routes of decent length (not convinced in having a Harrow to Enfield length route) and Barnet to Chingford still brings new links (Barnet passengers currently can’t go past Enfield on one bus, same for Chingford passengers past Enfield Chase) |
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Post by londonbuses on Jun 27, 2024 11:46:25 GMT
Concerning the SL11 (Harrow - Barnet) and the SL12 (Barnet - Stratford), I realistically think TFL are going to extend the SL11 and curtail the SL12. This is what I think TFL will do. SL11 (Harrow - Enfield Bus Garage)SL12 (Enfield Town - Stratford)This is more realistic to make the service run reliably. I know some people said the SL12 should only run to Chingford but that would make the route quite short and no new links would be created by this. I don’t see any point of running the SL12 beyond Chingford to Stratford when the 97 corridor is slow & narrow. SL11 from Harrow to Barnet and SL12 from Barnet to Chingford means you have two routes of decent length (not convinced in having a Harrow to Enfield length route) and Barnet to Chingford still brings new links (Barnet passengers currently can’t go past Enfield on one bus, same for Chingford passengers past Enfield Chase) I agree with you that the Chingford to Stratford route is unnecessary, but wouldn't an SL9 extension from Harrow to Edgware, and a new Edgware to Chingford route make the most sense? |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2024 11:50:35 GMT
I don’t see any point of running the SL12 beyond Chingford to Stratford when the 97 corridor is slow & narrow. SL11 from Harrow to Barnet and SL12 from Barnet to Chingford means you have two routes of decent length (not convinced in having a Harrow to Enfield length route) and Barnet to Chingford still brings new links (Barnet passengers currently can’t go past Enfield on one bus, same for Chingford passengers past Enfield Chase) I agree with you that the Chingford to Stratford route is unnecessary, but wouldn't an SL9 extension from Harrow to Edgware, and a new Edgware to Chingford route make the most sense? You could do that, far more manageable than running one from Barnet to Chingford. |
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Post by ZiyQ on Jun 27, 2024 12:01:36 GMT
Concerning the SL11 (Harrow - Barnet) and the SL12 (Barnet - Stratford), I realistically think TFL are going to extend the SL11 and curtail the SL12. This is what I think TFL will do. SL11 (Harrow - Enfield Bus Garage)SL12 (Enfield Town - Stratford)This is more realistic to make the service run reliably. I know some people said the SL12 should only run to Chingford but that would make the route quite short and no new links would be created by this. Ideally, the 'SL11' (or any bus terminating at Ponders End) would terminate somewhere else in Ponders End, as the turning and bus stop arrangements aren't very good for onward travel. I feel like a bus stand next to Ponders End Park could be useful, though diverting the route to there (or even Enfield Wash) could make it even longer than it already is. Enfield Bus Garage forecourt also gets quite cramped at times, even with only the 349 or 377 there. In any case, new bus lanes Eastbound, before Sewardstone Road, on Lea Valley Road would be needed to achieve any sense of an 'Express' nature to that route, as the 313 already struggles with traffic there. The 'SL12' could be rerouted via the A12 in parts, but that would bring its own reliability problems, and make it miss some key traffic objectives. The 'SL11' could get quite unreliable, especially with the A1 routing and the traffic that often brings, and would likely be 2 routes as the original proposals. |
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Post by randomy on Jul 15, 2024 17:52:59 GMT
I don’t see any point of running the SL12 beyond Chingford to Stratford when the 97 corridor is slow & narrow. SL11 from Harrow to Barnet and SL12 from Barnet to Chingford means you have two routes of decent length (not convinced in having a Harrow to Enfield length route) and Barnet to Chingford still brings new links (Barnet passengers currently can’t go past Enfield on one bus, same for Chingford passengers past Enfield Chase) I agree with you that the Chingford to Stratford route is unnecessary, but wouldn't an SL9 extension from Harrow to Edgware, and a new Edgware to Chingford route make the most sense? I often see the SL9 overcrowded and I just can't imagine this route going to Edgware. |
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Post by randomy on Jul 19, 2024 15:57:19 GMT
The Harrow to Barnet route should have it's own stop in Harrow & Wealdstone Station to avoid Wealdstone High Street in case of traffic
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Post by COBO on Jul 19, 2024 16:56:59 GMT
I hope that there’s a Superloop 3.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 19, 2024 17:57:12 GMT
I hope that there’s a Superloop 3. I’m not keen on a third round of routes. It would be nice to have some focus on new all stop routes. |
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Post by randomy on Jul 19, 2024 20:15:33 GMT
I hope that there’s a Superloop 3. If they do it, I hope they focus on some of the busiest routes like the 18, 149 or 25 |
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Post by B9TL205 on Jul 19, 2024 21:16:13 GMT
I hope that there’s a Superloop 3. If they do it, I hope they focus on some of the busiest routes like the 18, 149 or 25 An express route on the 25 corridor would result in the buses experiencing a serious amount of congestion |
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 19, 2024 21:40:26 GMT
I hope that there’s a Superloop 3. I’m not keen on a third round of routes. It would be nice to have some focus on new all stop routes. I disagree, I think London is crying out for decent express routes. Obviously before the whole superloop malarkey there was only three express routes in London (X26, X68 and 607), all of which were roaring successes in their own rights. Then the X140 came along, which also turned into a runaway success in very little time. Berlin has an exceptional express bus network, denoted mostly by route numbers beginning with an ‘M’ (called Metrobus routes over there, with the idea being that they’re road-going Metro lines). Like this bus (photo by moi 😜). Granted it helps because the traffic over there isn’t as bad as London, but it’s a very large and successful network. I know it’s difficult to remember in this endless sea of negativity of cuts, congestion and general doom and gloom, but London is one of the best connected cities by bus in the world. There is pretty much nowhere you can’t get in London on a bus, and it was becoming increasingly complained about that bus travel in London is too slow. Then you’ve got the new links that these Superloop routes are making, which are difficult journeys to make via the train, and are far more convenient by a single bus journey. Like how would a passenger have got from North Finchley to Hendon or Kingsbury before the SL10 came along? Especially convoluted when there isn’t a rail station on North Finchley’s door step. So actually I think London already has a very well connected local bus network, so imo it’s high time they focussed on delivering a convenient express network of longer distance trunk routes that cut journey times. There’s proven strong demand for them. Believe me as someone who’s had to do it a lot, a lot of South and SE London is an utter pain to traverse due to convoluted bus and rail links. A Streatham to Eltham route would really do well at knitting these remote places from each other together. Not to mention there is focus being put on local bus routes - a new 310 and 495, and a large extension to route 129 for starters  |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 19, 2024 21:45:29 GMT
I’m not keen on a third round of routes. It would be nice to have some focus on new all stop routes. I disagree, I think London is crying out for decent express routes. Obviously before the whole superloop malarkey there was only three express routes in London (X26, X68 and 607), all of which were roaring successes in their own rights. Then the X140 came along, which also turned into a runaway success in very little time. Berlin has an exceptional express bus network, denoted mostly by route numbers beginning with an ‘M’ (called Metrobus routes over there). Granted it helps because the traffic over there isn’t as bad as London, but it’s a very large and successful network. I know it’s difficult to remember in this endless sea of negativity of cuts, congestion and general doom and gloom, but London is one of the best connected cities by bus in the world. There is pretty much nowhere you can’t get in London on a bus, and it was becoming increasingly complained about that bus travel in London is too slow. Then you’ve got the new links that these Superloop routes are making, which are difficult journeys to make via the train, and are far more convenient by a single bus journey. Like how would a passenger have got from North Finchley to Hendon or Kingsbury before the SL10 came along? Especially convoluted when there isn’t a rail station on North Finchley’s door step. So actually I think London already has a very well connected local bus network, so imo it’s high time they focussed on delivering a convenient express network that cuts journey times. Believe me as someone who’s had to do it a lot, a lot of South and SE London is an utter pain to traverse due to convoluted bus and rail links. A Streatham to Eltham route would really do well at knitting these remote places from each other together. Not to mention there is focus being put on local bus routes - a new 310 and 495, and a large extension to route 129 for starters I think you're pretty much bang on here, despite it's cut after cut that we're used to hearing. There certainly is still no denying that in terms of actual connections itself London is very well connected. How useful these connections are will always be a raging debate but the next stage to developing bus travel is to really make people use them for journeys they didn't think they could use them for. It would be good to get a quite strong set of Superloop routes in operation, probably 2-3 in each major town centre for a start. |
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Post by sdaniel on Jul 19, 2024 21:48:09 GMT
If they do it, I hope they focus on some of the busiest routes like the 18, 149 or 25 An express route on the 25 corridor would result in the buses experiencing a serious amount of congestion Exactly, plus the Elizabeth line is there so making a superloop run through that corridor won’t be useful. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 19, 2024 21:53:50 GMT
An express route on the 25 corridor would result in the buses experiencing a serious amount of congestion Exactly, plus the Elizabeth line is there so making a superloop run through that corridor won’t be useful. Doesn’t stop passengers today still flooding to the 25 in droves though. Although nothing like its former self it’s still a monstrously busy route ditto the 86 which is even more of a road going Elizabeth Line |
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