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Post by londonbuses on Apr 19, 2024 9:35:43 GMT
I like the rationale of using Sutton Station as SL5/SL7 terminating point but my memories of Sutton Station is that there's not much bus stand space at the station itself allied with a lot of routes serving the station. Is there enough space or are you advocating parking on stand away from Sutton Station? There is plenty of space at the back of the station on The Quadrant (where the 164, 470 and N44 currently stand) to accomodate both routes, providing the 164 is extended to Belmont as planned. If it is necessary, the coach stop could also be converted into an additional stand. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Apr 19, 2024 9:39:47 GMT
I have a feeling the SL5 and SL7 change might go ahead with the SL5 instead going through West Croydon to pick up passengers that would normally get on the SL7. Hopefully in time folks get used to it.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2024 9:50:32 GMT
I have a feeling the SL5 and SL7 change might go ahead with the SL5 instead going through West Croydon to pick up passengers that would normally get on the SL7. Hopefully in time folks get used to it. That's what I was thinking that it would call at East then West Croydon then along the 407 rather then the Flyover and Purley Way. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 19, 2024 9:54:54 GMT
I like the rationale of using Sutton Station as SL5/SL7 terminating point but my memories of Sutton Station is that there's not much bus stand space at the station itself allied with a lot of routes serving the station. Is there enough space or are you advocating parking on stand away from Sutton Station? There is plenty of space at the back of the station on The Quadrant (where the 164, 470 and N44 currently stand) to accomodate both routes, providing the 164 is extended to Belmont as planned. If it is necessary, the coach stop could also be converted into an additional stand. Extending the 164 has zero merit as it would be to primarily serve an unbuilt hospital. It just provides unnecessary capacity to Brighton Road which has been resolved with the 80s conversion to double decker. |
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 19, 2024 9:55:20 GMT
I have a feeling the SL5 and SL7 change might go ahead with the SL5 instead going through West Croydon to pick up passengers that would normally get on the SL7. Hopefully in time folks get used to it. That's what I was thinking that it would call at East then West Croydon then along the 407 rather then the Flyover and Purley Way. Think is though using the flyover makes it quicker, adding to the express element. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2024 10:08:41 GMT
That's what I was thinking that it would call at East then West Croydon then along the 407 rather then the Flyover and Purley Way. Think is though using the flyover makes it quicker, adding to the express element. To a degree but the backstreet routing between West Croydon and Waddon is still fairly quiet and wouldn't hold the route up much. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Apr 19, 2024 10:12:19 GMT
The proposed Superloop 2 routes, all subject to consultation, are: Harrow to Barnet, via Edgware Barnet to Stratford, via Enfield and Chingford Leytonstone to South Havering, via Gants Hill and Romford North Greenwich to Thamesmead, via Woolwich ‘Bakerloop line’: Elephant and Castle to Lewisham, via Old Kent Road and New Cross Streatham to Eltham, via Tulse Hill and Lee Richmond to Wimbledon, via Roehampton Ealing Broadway to Kingston, via Great West Road and Richmond Hounslow to Hammersmith, via Great West Road Hendon to Ealing Broadway, via Brent Cross and Hanger Lane Isn't the Hammersmith-Hounslow basically the H91? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2024 10:12:28 GMT
There is plenty of space at the back of the station on The Quadrant (where the 164, 470 and N44 currently stand) to accomodate both routes, providing the 164 is extended to Belmont as planned. If it is necessary, the coach stop could also be converted into an additional stand. Extending the 164 has zero merit as it would be to primarily serve an unbuilt hospital. It just provides unnecessary capacity to Brighton Road which has been resolved with the 80s conversion to double decker. It's probably most likely only to go ahead in order to free up stand space in Sutton. Even more so with the 470 and S4 needing space now. For a large town the stand space in Sutton is actually quite low. Long back in the day the 164 obviously didn't terminate there and less 213s did with some to St Helier Station or to Belmont via the S3, the 403/408 passed through rather then the 407 terminating. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2024 10:22:18 GMT
I really like the Ealing-Kingston express route, Streatham to Eltham route express route, North Greenwich to Thamesmead express route, Wimbledon to Richmond express route proposals. Those 4 are the strongest ones from the whole Superloop 2 scheme. Until more details come out about the Streatham to Eltham route regarding what routing it will take, I can’t really say how well it could potentially do especially given the LTN has yet to be reactivated |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2024 10:27:10 GMT
SL5 becoming Bromley-Croydon-Sutton would be brilliant. A Bromley to Sutton link would be such a handy one to have to connect South East London with South West London. Definitely in favour of that. But it needs to become a DD route for sure.
Streatham to Eltham would be a handy link as well, assuming it’s going via Catford? Though it may as well carry on from Eltham and end at Woolwich.
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 19, 2024 10:32:46 GMT
Extending the 164 has zero merit as it would be to primarily serve an unbuilt hospital. It just provides unnecessary capacity to Brighton Road which has been resolved with the 80s conversion to double decker. It's probably most likely only to go ahead in order to free up stand space in Sutton. Even more so with the 470 and S4 needing space now. For a large town the stand space in Sutton is actually quite low. Long back in the day the 164 obviously didn't terminate there and less 213s did with some to St Helier Station or to Belmont via the S3, the 403/408 passed through rather then the 407 terminating. There are options though that wouldn’t need to involve the 164 though. The police station stop for the SL5 as a stand and the Chalkpit way stop for the SL7 for example. Brighton Road would be massively overbussed if the 164 goes up there as well. |
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 19, 2024 10:34:17 GMT
Let's talk East London Barnet to Stratford ? Who would travel on such a long winded route ? A X97 Chingford to Stratford yes I could see that being well used but the Barnet to Chingford section ? Leytonstone to "South Havering" I'm assuming Rainham a X66 , Why would this be needed when the 66 runs the length of the A12 anyway and is pretty much Express ? I feel like he has someone looking on the fantasy thread on here , I can't really talk for the other parts of London but bar the "X97" which I could see being well used the rest for East London anyway looks like pie in the sky . Why not look at the busiest routes and have a Express along those lines such as a "X5" or "X25" regardless of Liz Line Newham is one of the most populated parts of England these routes would be a lot more welcome than a X66 along a already quickish route . The 66 might used the A12 but I think it’s painful slow. Even driving along the A12 is a nightmare with lots of slow 2 lane sections. I agree but I don't think a "X66" would make that much difference, would still hit the same a traffic hotspots and in evenings would barely make a difference if any , I do think something from Rainham or Beam Park even or wherever South Havering is to Elm Park to Romford would get good usage , I also think to appease anti ULEZ some routes going to a town on the outskirts wouldn't do bad either I.e Waltham Abbey on "X97" |
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Post by borneobus on Apr 19, 2024 10:41:22 GMT
The proposed Superloop 2 routes, all subject to consultation, are: Harrow to Barnet, via Edgware Barnet to Stratford, via Enfield and Chingford Leytonstone to South Havering, via Gants Hill and Romford North Greenwich to Thamesmead, via Woolwich ‘Bakerloop line’: Elephant and Castle to Lewisham, via Old Kent Road and New Cross Streatham to Eltham, via Tulse Hill and Lee Richmond to Wimbledon, via Roehampton Ealing Broadway to Kingston, via Great West Road and Richmond Hounslow to Hammersmith, via Great West Road Hendon to Ealing Broadway, via Brent Cross and Hanger Lane Isn't the Hammersmith-Hounslow basically the H91? Yes, H91 or Piccadilly Line - I wonder if TfL will be tempted to route the Super Loop "Hounslow to Hammersmith, via Great West Road" specifically "Hounslow 'Central' to Hammersmith via Great West Road" (i.e. not serving Hounslow West) |
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Post by Trafalgax on Apr 19, 2024 10:55:45 GMT
So if the SL5/SL7 change goes ahead, would SL7 still be the longest route in London? If not then what would?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 19, 2024 11:10:34 GMT
The proposed Superloop 2 routes, all subject to consultation, are: Harrow to Barnet, via Edgware Barnet to Stratford, via Enfield and Chingford Leytonstone to South Havering, via Gants Hill and Romford North Greenwich to Thamesmead, via Woolwich ‘Bakerloop line’: Elephant and Castle to Lewisham, via Old Kent Road and New Cross Streatham to Eltham, via Tulse Hill and Lee Richmond to Wimbledon, via Roehampton Ealing Broadway to Kingston, via Great West Road and Richmond Hounslow to Hammersmith, via Great West Road Hendon to Ealing Broadway, via Brent Cross and Hanger Lane Let's talk East London Barnet to Stratford ? Who would travel on such a long winded route ? A X97 Chingford to Stratford yes I could see that being well used but the Barnet to Chingford section ? Leytonstone to "South Havering" I'm assuming Rainham a X66 , Why would this be needed when the 66 runs the length of the A12 anyway and is pretty much Express ? I feel like he has someone looking on the fantasy thread on here , I can't really talk for the other parts of London but bar the "X97" which I could see being well used the rest for East London anyway looks like pie in the sky . Why not look at the busiest routes and have a Express along those lines such as a "X5" or "X25" regardless of Liz Line Newham is one of the most populated parts of England these routes would be a lot more welcome than a X66 along a already quickish route . I do think the East London proposals are pretty interesting. I don't think the Stratford to Barnet is designed for end-to-end travel, but using the A12 to Leytonstone Green Man, then the A406 from Redbridge up to Waterworks Corner could be a pretty quick journey, then up to Woodford Green, Chingford then follow the 313 through to Enfield. Perhaps the stopping pattern could be something like: Stratford Bus Station Stratford City Here East Leytonstone Green Man Wanstead Station Redbridge Station South Woodford High Road Waterworks Corner Woodford Green Woodford Wells Chingford Station Ponders End Tesco Enfield Town then a few stops up to Barnet The "South Havering" sounds like it would terminate somewhere in Beam Park, then could follow the 145 to the Dagenham East roundabout, 103 to Rainham Road, straight up Hornchurch Road to Coronation Drive, Elm Park, then follow the 252 up to Romford. If TfL really wanted to be a bit inventive, it could then run along the 86 to Seven Kings, up Aldborough Road South to the A12 and pick up the 66 line of route from there. This would also re-create a link lost with the 251 was withdrawn. Again, perhaps the stopping pattern could be: Beam Park Dagenham New Road Dagenham East, Bull Roundabout Elm Park Station Roneo Corner Romford Station Romford Market Chadwell Heath Goodmayes, Barley Lane Seven Kings Aldborough Road South (to link with the 364) Gants Hill Redbridge Wanstead Leytonstone |
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