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Post by PGAT on May 1, 2024 18:37:00 GMT
Why not just have an all stops version? In NYC, the Select Bus Service routes (their sort of limited stop BRT-lite) usually operate alongside an all stop service during the day but overnight the all stop service takes over. If you wanted to introduce a night service on the SL7, it would need to cover all the stops on the 213/285, including the detours they take along their routes, as you would probably need to remove their night services if you were to you were to make the SL7 24hrs. Alternatively, to make the N250 a bit more useful, you could extend that to Sutton, would run via Croydon flyover, Duppas Hill Road, Epsom Road/Stafford Road in the other direction, Purley Way, then the 407 LOR to Sutton Town Centre. You don't need to cover all the stops imo, at least for the 213 |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 1, 2024 19:44:37 GMT
If you wanted to introduce a night service on the SL7, it would need to cover all the stops on the 213/285, including the detours they take along their routes, as you would probably need to remove their night services if you were to you were to make the SL7 24hrs. Alternatively, to make the N250 a bit more useful, you could extend that to Sutton, would run via Croydon flyover, Duppas Hill Road, Epsom Road/Stafford Road in the other direction, Purley Way, then the 407 LOR to Sutton Town Centre. You don't need to cover all the stops imo, at least for the 213 You absolutely would. It’s a long walk between Fountain Roundabout and Worcester Park Station, I’ve done it many time before from North End Tavern to Coombe Road. Even though it is a generally safe area at night it’s a tall order to expect people to walk that far. They may as well just take a cab and that’s exactly what would happen. The 213 is down on night numbers because there is barely nightlife in Sutton after midnight and the Kingston night scene is dwindling. Prism in Kingston was only really saved because the independent record store Banquet puts on so many excellent shows as it is a key venue for them and in turn brings a lot of evening revenue to local restaurants on event nights. |
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Post by londonbusbro on May 3, 2024 11:47:38 GMT
436 24 hour to cover the northern line branch with battersea and nine elms
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Post by DT 11 on May 3, 2024 11:53:35 GMT
436 24 hour to cover the northern line branch with battersea and nine elms No need it is already covered by N136 & 344. A 24 Hour service for 5 bus stops already covered by the 344. |
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Post by kmkcheng on May 3, 2024 12:08:42 GMT
436 24 hour to cover the northern line branch with battersea and nine elms Unless you expect demand for these 2 stations from Camberwell and Peckham area, is the route necessary? Battersea power station is a short walk from the N44 and N137 and Nine Elms has the N87 |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 3, 2024 13:59:02 GMT
436 24 hour to cover the northern line branch with battersea and nine elms Definitely not a route needed to become a night service. If there was demand for such a service at night, the N321 extended to Battersea Park would probably be a better idea, though I doubt there would be demand. |
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Post by greg on May 3, 2024 18:50:18 GMT
Would it not be more cost effective for a high frequency N159 between Oxford Circus and New Addington? Albeit some journeys cutting short at Streatham or Croydon Town Centre? Brixton?
And then remove the 24 hour 64/159 and route N109.
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Post by PGAT on May 3, 2024 19:06:33 GMT
Would it not be more cost effective for a high frequency N159 between Oxford Circus and New Addington? Albeit some journeys cutting short at Streatham or Croydon Town Centre? Brixton? And then remove the 24 hour 64/159 and route N109. That is precisely what existed in the past |
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Post by greenboy on May 3, 2024 19:39:55 GMT
Would it not be more cost effective for a high frequency N159 between Oxford Circus and New Addington? Albeit some journeys cutting short at Streatham or Croydon Town Centre? Brixton? And then remove the 24 hour 64/159 and route N109. I think it would be better to merge the 64 and 250 at night to remove the unnecessary overlap and use the number N159 with the same level of service as now with alternate buses going beyond Streatham to Croydon. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 8, 2024 20:09:14 GMT
I have mentioned this in the past normally around Carnival time, but I do think there needs to be extra services at night during bank holiday weekends. In particular, Sunday nights need extra services on core routes and/or extras on busy night routes, as on a bank holiday weekend Sunday nights are just another Friday/Saturday night in terms of usage levels.
A broad but not exact mirroring of extras placed on NYE would go some way to helping punters go home, and only out to main hubs/suburbs and not the full route would do. The weekend op on N8s with Stratford shorts for example, likewise with the N18 shorts to Subury. Trunk routes like the N9, N15, N87 etc. should at least see shorts to Hammersmith, Barking and Wimbledon respectively.
Passengers struggling to head home stifles the very apparent night-time economy that exists over these weekends, as was demonstrated to me a few nights ago. I bumped into some Portuguese businessmen at Ludgate Circus who waited 30 mins for the N15 which were rammed, but I too was surprised by the N551's subscription as I suggested this alternative route for them to head home. I'm also not saying this has to be done every bank holiday weekend, Easters are pretty quiet for example. But for international tourists to limit their time out in central London at night because they knew beforehand it's a struggle to get home at night on buses is something that could fairly easily be sorted out with extras. Just a thought.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 8, 2024 20:24:19 GMT
I have mentioned this in the past normally around Carnival time, but I do think there needs to be extra services at night during bank holiday weekends. In particular, Sunday nights need extra services on core routes and/or extras on busy night routes, as on a bank holiday weekend Sunday nights are just another Friday/Saturday night in terms of usage levels. A broad but not exact mirroring of extras placed on NYE would go some way to helping punters go home, and only out to main hubs/suburbs and not the full route would do. The weekend op on N8s with Stratford shorts for example, likewise with the N18 shorts to Subury. Trunk routes like the N9, N15, N87 etc. should at least see shorts to Hammersmith, Barking and Wimbledon respectively. Passengers struggling to head home stifles the very apparent night-time economy that exists over these weekends, as was demonstrated to me a few nights ago. I bumped into some Portuguese businessmen at Ludgate Circus who waited 30 mins for the N15 which were rammed, but I too was surprised by the N551's subscription as I suggested this alternative route for them to head home. I'm also not saying this has to be done every bank holiday weekend, Easters are pretty quiet for example. But for international tourists to limit their time out in central London at night because they knew beforehand it's a struggle to get home at night on buses is something that could fairly easily be sorted out with extras. Just a thought. They could possibly consider the night tube on Sundays when a Bank Holiday follows, particularly the warmer ones like (not this year admittedly) the 2 in May and the August one. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 8, 2024 20:54:00 GMT
I have mentioned this in the past normally around Carnival time, but I do think there needs to be extra services at night during bank holiday weekends. In particular, Sunday nights need extra services on core routes and/or extras on busy night routes, as on a bank holiday weekend Sunday nights are just another Friday/Saturday night in terms of usage levels. A broad but not exact mirroring of extras placed on NYE would go some way to helping punters go home, and only out to main hubs/suburbs and not the full route would do. The weekend op on N8s with Stratford shorts for example, likewise with the N18 shorts to Subury. Trunk routes like the N9, N15, N87 etc. should at least see shorts to Hammersmith, Barking and Wimbledon respectively. Passengers struggling to head home stifles the very apparent night-time economy that exists over these weekends, as was demonstrated to me a few nights ago. I bumped into some Portuguese businessmen at Ludgate Circus who waited 30 mins for the N15 which were rammed, but I too was surprised by the N551's subscription as I suggested this alternative route for them to head home. I'm also not saying this has to be done every bank holiday weekend, Easters are pretty quiet for example. But for international tourists to limit their time out in central London at night because they knew beforehand it's a struggle to get home at night on buses is something that could fairly easily be sorted out with extras. Just a thought. They could possibly consider the night tube on Sundays when a Bank Holiday follows, particularly the warmer ones like (not this year admittedly) the 2 in May and the August one. The problem is engineering works need to be done eventually and I know bank holidays are a good 3 day block to get essential works done. Admittedly though the ideal option of an extra Night Tube night especially during the August bank holiday is preferred, you'd still need extra buses to run as they'd be on weeknight schedules on a Sunday night. The most cost-effective option would be to run extras on the night bus network. Select routes like the 73, 115 and 118 under their timetables could have the note 'No service on Christmas Day. On certain bank holidays this route may run an enhanced service throughout the night. Check poster updates or look online for further details.' |
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Post by evergreenadam on May 15, 2024 7:40:55 GMT
I have mentioned this in the past normally around Carnival time, but I do think there needs to be extra services at night during bank holiday weekends. In particular, Sunday nights need extra services on core routes and/or extras on busy night routes, as on a bank holiday weekend Sunday nights are just another Friday/Saturday night in terms of usage levels. A broad but not exact mirroring of extras placed on NYE would go some way to helping punters go home, and only out to main hubs/suburbs and not the full route would do. The weekend op on N8s with Stratford shorts for example, likewise with the N18 shorts to Subury. Trunk routes like the N9, N15, N87 etc. should at least see shorts to Hammersmith, Barking and Wimbledon respectively. Passengers struggling to head home stifles the very apparent night-time economy that exists over these weekends, as was demonstrated to me a few nights ago. I bumped into some Portuguese businessmen at Ludgate Circus who waited 30 mins for the N15 which were rammed, but I too was surprised by the N551's subscription as I suggested this alternative route for them to head home. I'm also not saying this has to be done every bank holiday weekend, Easters are pretty quiet for example. But for international tourists to limit their time out in central London at night because they knew beforehand it's a struggle to get home at night on buses is something that could fairly easily be sorted out with extras. Just a thought. What did you mean by ‘subscription’ in relation to the N551? That the route was well used? |
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Post by enviroPB on May 15, 2024 15:36:03 GMT
I have mentioned this in the past normally around Carnival time, but I do think there needs to be extra services at night during bank holiday weekends. In particular, Sunday nights need extra services on core routes and/or extras on busy night routes, as on a bank holiday weekend Sunday nights are just another Friday/Saturday night in terms of usage levels. A broad but not exact mirroring of extras placed on NYE would go some way to helping punters go home, and only out to main hubs/suburbs and not the full route would do. The weekend op on N8s with Stratford shorts for example, likewise with the N18 shorts to Subury. Trunk routes like the N9, N15, N87 etc. should at least see shorts to Hammersmith, Barking and Wimbledon respectively. Passengers struggling to head home stifles the very apparent night-time economy that exists over these weekends, as was demonstrated to me a few nights ago. I bumped into some Portuguese businessmen at Ludgate Circus who waited 30 mins for the N15 which were rammed, but I too was surprised by the N551's subscription as I suggested this alternative route for them to head home. I'm also not saying this has to be done every bank holiday weekend, Easters are pretty quiet for example. But for international tourists to limit their time out in central London at night because they knew beforehand it's a struggle to get home at night on buses is something that could fairly easily be sorted out with extras. Just a thought. What did you mean by ‘subscription’ in relation to the N551? That the route was well used? Yes, it was more than well used that night! I normally use the N551 as an alternative to Canning Town if it comes first when I'm in central, and I noticed the numbers were vastly more than a couple days prior when I caught it. I assume other passengers were doing the same after failing to board the N15 for 30+ mins. |
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Post by sam97 on May 15, 2024 17:32:00 GMT
436 24 hour to cover the northern line branch with battersea and nine elms Definitely not a route needed to become a night service. If there was demand for such a service at night, the N321 extended to Battersea Park would probably be a better idea, though I doubt there would be demand. No point. Like DT11 said almost the whole route is covered by the N136 and the last few stops covered by the 344N. You even got the 36N running a lot of the route too. |
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