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Post by DT 11 on Oct 1, 2024 11:10:21 GMT
I would not be that foolish to do something like that when a bus is running. I would say things like LVF have also spoiled people here. Gone 20 years ago you would not have been able to do that. 100% agreed. During my younger years I would literally have to wait at the bus stop, whatever comes would come but at least it was all Diesel 💯👌 Overall it’s a waste of time missing 5 buses because they are not to your liking. If you was going out specifically for bus spotting different ball game but you in effect wasted 1 hour of your time which I what I would say is insanity… similar to route patriots who want a specific bus even though other routes stop at the same place. A few months ago I was on the 432s and someone wanted to get on a Thicket Road headed to Anerley Station, he then saw a 249 then wanted to get that I said to him it is going to the same place so I closed my door the 249 was driver was not having it and drove past me he then tries to get back on too late as I already started driving and too right for wasting his own time and mine and this was around 1130pm at night I can understand doing this in very busy places such as Brixton for example if I’m heading to West Norwood from Brixton I much prefer to wait for a Route 2 because 2 415 & 432 all get busy as people get off along Tulse Hill and those who want to travel further on Route 432 can actually get on.
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Post by Volvo on Oct 1, 2024 11:32:54 GMT
The 340 is the worst route for this specific route nonsense and I actually find it annoying. I used to think the 142 and 251 between Edgware and Burnt Oak were bad.
For example I'd be sitting on stand at Harrow Bus station with 8 mins to go, there would be quite a few passengers at the stop, a 186 and 258 pull up some get on others let them go, 4 mins to depart a 140 pulls up the said people who let rhe 186 and 258 go also let the 140 go and nonse of these buses are packed either.
Departure time, the same people who were there when the 186 and 258 came now get on my bus and get off either 3 stops later at Safari Cinema, Harrow Civic Centre/Mosque or Harrow & Wealdstone station.
So they waited 8 minutes just to go a few stops. It's weird and before anyone says these people may not know the other buses go these places. Every route I do, I do the same duties as I have special arrangements so I always see the same people and they all do the same thing and you cannot tell me these people do not know that the 140, 186, 258 & 340 don't go the same place between Harrow Bus Station and Harrow & Wealdstone Town Centre even upto Harrow Weald Bus Garage and Vice versa (in the case of the 140, 258 & 340).
There are some mornings where my 340 has been packed and I'm heading to Harrow and I have pulled up at Harrow Weald Bus Garage stop behind a 140 & 258 and yet drives off people leave both buses to come to my door and I'm pointing to the buses Infront and they give me a dirty look.
The 140 especially has just started so it's ..... Empty !!!
When I drive off now because I have no space they look very angry.
Last week I had a mechanical so I was terminating at Harrow Weald Garage, a 182 was at the stop and everyone left the 182 to come to my bus, I was letting people off and I only opened the front doors because the 12 people that came to my front doors not one of them looled to see I was only going to Harrow Weald Bus Garage, a guy tried to get on an I'm telling him I'm terminating. His response was so ?
What do you mean so? It's the last stop!
They are just lucky the 182 was changing drivers otherwise they would have missed it whilst they were all standing at my front door.
It's like the 340 is the only route between Harrow Weald Bus Garage and Harrow Bus Station, so the route is just alot busier than it actually needs to be alot of the time.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 1, 2024 11:50:56 GMT
Overall those passengers really have time to waste. I would get the 140… Why would you let an empty bus pass and wait to get on a full one everyday.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 1, 2024 12:09:50 GMT
Are there any bus stands where the drivers have to reverse into bays I believe some are at White City and are marked out for specific routes
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Post by yunus on Oct 1, 2024 12:22:58 GMT
100% agreed. During my younger years I would literally have to wait at the bus stop, whatever comes would come but at least it was all Diesel 💯👌 Overall it’s a waste of time missing 5 buses because they are not to your liking. If you was going out specifically for bus spotting different ball game but you in effect wasted 1 hour of your time which I what I would say is insanity… similar to route patriots who want a specific bus even though other routes stop at the same place. A few months ago I was on the 432s and someone wanted to get on a Thicket Road headed to Anerley Station, he then saw a 249 then wanted to get that I said to him it is going to the same place so I closed my door the 249 was driver was not having it and drove past me he then tries to get back on too late as I already started driving and too right for wasting his own time and mine and this was around 1130pm at night I can understand doing this in very busy places such as Brixton for example if I’m heading to West Norwood from Brixton I much prefer to wait for a Route 2 because 2 415 & 432 all get busy as people get off along Tulse Hill and those who want to travel further on Route 432 can actually get on. You have hit the nail on the head, I completely agree. Funnily enough the same thing happened just 5mins ago at Walthamstow Central but I had to board cos of time - currently on a 275 with 12133!
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Post by yunus on Oct 1, 2024 12:23:40 GMT
Another example is at Lewisham, where I have noticed an obsession with the 199, despite 4 other routes going to TL!
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Post by Volvo on Oct 1, 2024 13:44:03 GMT
Are there any bus stands where the drivers have to reverse into bays Waltham Cross, I believe.
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Post by Volvo on Oct 1, 2024 13:45:13 GMT
Overall those passengers really have time to waste. I would get the 140… Why would you let an empty bus pass and wait to get on a full one everyday. That's what you would expect people with common sense to do! It's 10 stops to Harrow Bus Station from Harrow Weald Garage, it's not like it's very far.
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Post by lonmark on Oct 1, 2024 13:53:10 GMT
For any staff, who work at every bus company, please help Londonbusroute.net for the missing information. Bus operator staff - please! No doubt you find this website useful so if you are able to help at all plugging gaps in schedule data, please consider giving something back. All items in red in the table below are needed, along with anything not listed at all (excluding pure duty schedule changes). We can work with any format, although machine readable formats (i.e. not PDFs/images) are preferred. If you have any concerns about confidentiality, I can provide contact details for a 3rd party outside the industry to process the files, or you can route them via Steve Floyd at LOTS. The following table summarise known changes but there are likely to be others. (As far as is known everything up to 1 September has been received and dealt with.) See the links for more information.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 1, 2024 14:45:40 GMT
Overall those passengers really have time to waste. I would get the 140… Why would you let an empty bus pass and wait to get on a full one everyday. That's what you would expect people with common sense to do! It's 10 stops to Harrow Bus Station from Harrow Weald Garage, it's not like it's very far. Never over-estimate the ability of the generel public to display common sense. Whoever coined the phrase "The customer is always right" clearly never had to serve one.
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Post by southern66 on Oct 1, 2024 16:29:14 GMT
Is the bus timed.org website up and running again after the TfL cyber attack !?.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 1, 2024 16:36:54 GMT
100% agreed. During my younger years I would literally have to wait at the bus stop, whatever comes would come but at least it was all Diesel 💯👌 Overall it’s a waste of time missing 5 buses because they are not to your liking. If you was going out specifically for bus spotting different ball game but you in effect wasted 1 hour of your time which I what I would say is insanity… similar to route patriots who want a specific bus even though other routes stop at the same place. A few months ago I was on the 432s and someone wanted to get on a Thicket Road headed to Anerley Station, he then saw a 249 then wanted to get that I said to him it is going to the same place so I closed my door the 249 was driver was not having it and drove past me he then tries to get back on too late as I already started driving and too right for wasting his own time and mine and this was around 1130pm at night I can understand doing this in very busy places such as Brixton for example if I’m heading to West Norwood from Brixton I much prefer to wait for a Route 2 because 2 415 & 432 all get busy as people get off along Tulse Hill and those who want to travel further on Route 432 can actually get on. TBF, as along as no one is harassing staff or complaining about it, I don't see the issue with someone waiting for a particular bus. I do it when I'm after certain vehicles (I did it today on the 321, wanted an E and let a MHV go and waited for the E to turn up). If I'm not in enthusiast mode, then obviously I take whatever the first bus that comes along and will get me to where I'm going
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 1, 2024 16:46:42 GMT
Is the bus timed.org website up and running again after the TfL cyber attack !?. Open data is still not back up.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 1, 2024 16:49:19 GMT
An FOI request regarding integrating the Oyster Card with Apple Pay: 'We have been considering integrating Oyster with Apple wallets, but do not yet have all the information we require to establish a viable business case for such an investment. However, we also know that we need to update our card readers on buses and in stations in order to do so. The project for this is in-flight, but will take a further 3-4 years to deliver. We have also asked bidders for our new Revenue Collection Contract to propose how we could implement Oyster in digital wallets, although it is not at this stage a mandatory deliverable in the new contract. This contract is due to take effect from August 2026.' tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-1713-2425The card clashes are going to be glorious... unless Apple changes the express travel function (or whatever it's called) to default to Oyster perhaps? I think this might be the first system to have Oyster and Contactless on Apple Pay on the same reader? All info so far regarding reader replacement still points to it being a single reader. Hong Kong has separate readers for this reason, Japanese systems also seem to have gone for a separate reader for contactless. Paris, which added Navigo to Wallet recently, is not looking at contactless.
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 1, 2024 17:02:50 GMT
Is the bus timed.org website up and running again after the TfL cyber attack !?. Open data is still not back up. It is quite shocking TfL's business continuity/disaster recovery processes have not restored services one month after the issue.
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