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Post by dashing0ne on Jun 27, 2021 12:08:40 GMT
1. What about routes 467 and 293D, which are at TV, they will stay ADE? 2. Appearantly, routes 613 and 662 have recently (29 April 2020) converted from VH operation to ADE operation, is this true, or has it always stayed VH? 3. I assume, for school routes, you are excluding TV's rte 665 which is single deck.
Was only discussing double deck. The ADEs will be around at TV for few more months (there aren’t enough buses to replace them until BCEs release VHs from 65) I have heard rumours (but take with a pinch of salt for now) that the ADEs will move to the Hounslow area and finish off the remaining months of contract on routes like H32 allowing final SPs to leave. (the 111 is awaiting tender results and that is majority of the about 40 SPs without defined replacement). There could be a demand for buses upgraded to euroVI (as lots of provincial cities are also introducing LEZs over next 12 months), but remains to be seen what the market appetite is for 100 Scania buses So you are saying both the 613, 662, 467 and 293D will convert to VH? Sorry for clarifying as it was a bit ambigous and I am confused. The 418 will defientley convert, some more buses left from the 65.
Interesting to hear that RATP may be using ADE's to replace AV Scania's but aren't the ADE's occupied doing school work, also what is the point of replacing SP's on routes like the H32 mid-contract, wouldn't it be easier for RATP to wait until the end of the contract.
Could see many Euro VI buses retired from London moving to other places in the country for other LEZ's.
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Post by LK65EBO on Jun 27, 2021 12:47:56 GMT
Was only discussing double deck. The ADEs will be around at TV for few more months (there aren’t enough buses to replace them until BCEs release VHs from 65) I have heard rumours (but take with a pinch of salt for now) that the ADEs will move to the Hounslow area and finish off the remaining months of contract on routes like H32 allowing final SPs to leave. (the 111 is awaiting tender results and that is majority of the about 40 SPs without defined replacement). There could be a demand for buses upgraded to euroVI (as lots of provincial cities are also introducing LEZs over next 12 months), but remains to be seen what the market appetite is for 100 Scania buses So you are saying both the 613, 662, 467 and 293D will convert to VH? Sorry for clarifying as it was a bit ambigous and I am confused. The 418 will defientley convert, some more buses left from the 65.
Interesting to hear that RATP may be using ADE's to replace AV Scania's but aren't the ADE's occupied doing school work, also what is the point of replacing SP's on routes like the H32 mid-contract, wouldn't it be easier for RATP to wait until the end of the contract.
Could see many Euro VI buses retired from London moving to other places in the country for other LEZ's.
Hounslow Heath also still has SPs that need replacing by ADEs - unless the SPs are staying?
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Post by paulo on Jun 27, 2021 14:24:32 GMT
1. What about routes 467 and 293D, which are at TV, they will stay ADE? 2. Appearantly, routes 613 and 662 have recently (29 April 2020) converted from VH operation to ADE operation, is this true, or has it always stayed VH? 3. I assume, for school routes, you are excluding TV's rte 665 which is single deck.
Total PVR of all routes you've mentioned: 18 If VH27-38 transfers to TV after they've been freed up (24, 25 and 26 are already at TV which suggests this will be the batch) the total number of VHs at TV will be 22. Should be plenty from there. For reference, total PVR of all FW routes set to recieve/keep VHs after the electric conversion: 32 Total number of VHs which will remain at FW if the 15 reg batch goes to TV: 34 With more of the 220s ADEs now returning home to RP, except a couple of VHs to move on to Fulwell perhaps.
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Post by LK65EBO on Jun 27, 2021 14:25:32 GMT
Total PVR of all routes you've mentioned: 18 If VH27-38 transfers to TV after they've been freed up (24, 25 and 26 are already at TV which suggests this will be the batch) the total number of VHs at TV will be 22. Should be plenty from there. For reference, total PVR of all FW routes set to recieve/keep VHs after the electric conversion: 32 Total number of VHs which will remain at FW if the 15 reg batch goes to TV: 34 With more of the 220s ADEs now returning home to RP, except a couple of VHs to move on to Fulwell perhaps. Why Fulwell?
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Post by paulo on Jun 27, 2021 15:38:20 GMT
With more of the 220s ADEs now returning home to RP, except a couple of VHs to move on to Fulwell perhaps. Why Fulwell? To keep the same batch together. 34 for a PVR of 32 is clearly not enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 15:47:24 GMT
Can understand why they are working the 698 given they slot into the PVR rather nicely, however they deserve to be doing more substantial work. I guess they could work the H12 being the only other DD route at CP, but I find that very unlikely. Frustrating RATP were awarded another contract on the 698 because once that contract runs out they will probably have to stand down. H12 no longer has an allocation at CP. I don't know why LBR still has H12 being run from CP as the 4 buses that were stationed at CP were moved a long long time ago now. Can't even remember when but the H12 and 251 moved back to BT a long while ago. To be honest (and i know I'm probably going to be the only person so say this), i actually think the new interior suits them rather well, and nornally I'm not really a fan of the standard dark blue RATP moquette. As much as i really like the LT style moquette, it's just good to see LT style seats themselves sporting something different. But i actually think they look rather colourful if I'm honest.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2021 15:58:30 GMT
As I understand it, the following is what the VH situation will look like further down the road, feel free to correct as RATP isn't my strong point: Current situation: VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45126 - at TV, I suspect these are actually for the three school routes currently (613, 662 & 671) but see more time on standard routes VH45127--45138 - 65/N65 VH45139-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45154 - 85 VH45155 - 65/N65 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45166 - 65/N65 VH45167-45181 - 85 VH45182-45190/45192 - H91 VH45191/45193-45194 - 65/N65 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 65/N65 Confirmed routes to receive VH's are 71 & 418 which total 21 buses including spares which does leave some spare. Below is what I believe could end up happening, warning upcoming needless speculation VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45144 - 418 & 71 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45155 - 613, 662 & 671 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45178 - 85 VH45179-45194 - H91 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 681
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2021 15:59:39 GMT
H12 no longer has an allocation at CP. I don't know why LBR still has H12 being run from CP as the 4 buses that were stationed at CP were moved a long long time ago now. Can't even remember when but the H12 and 251 moved back to BT a long while ago. To be honest (and i know I'm probably going to be the only person so say this), i actually think the new interior suits them rather well, and nornally I'm not really a fan of the standard dark blue RATP moquette. As much as i really like the LT style moquette, it's just good to see LT style seats themselves sporting something different. But i actually think they look rather colourful if I'm honest. I think both interiors are rather lack luster though the LT's dimly lit saloons don't help it at all.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 27, 2021 16:47:52 GMT
As I understand it, the following is what the VH situation will look like further down the road, feel free to correct as RATP isn't my strong point: Current situation: VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45126 - at TV, I suspect these are actually for the three school routes currently (613, 662 & 671) but see more time on standard routes VH45127--45138 - 65/N65 VH45139-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45154 - 85 VH45155 - 65/N65 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45166 - 65/N65 VH45167-45181 - 85 VH45182-45190/45192 - H91 VH45191/45193-45194 - 65/N65 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 65/N65 Confirmed routes to receive VH's are 71 & 418 which total 21 buses including spares which does leave some spare. Below is what I believe could end up happening, warning upcoming needless speculation VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45128 - 71 & 418 VH45129-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45155 - 613, 662 & 671 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45178 - 85 VH45179-45194 - H91 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 681 Think this is fairly spot on except you've allocated too many buses to the H91 and too few to the 71 and 418. Also as far as I'm aware the 71 will remain at FW and the 418 at TV so those batches will be separate.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2021 16:54:36 GMT
As I understand it, the following is what the VH situation will look like further down the road, feel free to correct as RATP isn't my strong point: Current situation: VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45126 - at TV, I suspect these are actually for the three school routes currently (613, 662 & 671) but see more time on standard routes VH45127--45138 - 65/N65 VH45139-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45154 - 85 VH45155 - 65/N65 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45166 - 65/N65 VH45167-45181 - 85 VH45182-45190/45192 - H91 VH45191/45193-45194 - 65/N65 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 65/N65 Confirmed routes to receive VH's are 71 & 418 which total 21 buses including spares which does leave some spare. Below is what I believe could end up happening, warning upcoming needless speculation VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45128 - 71 & 418 VH45129-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45155 - 613, 662 & 671 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45178 - 85 VH45179-45194 - H91 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 681 Think this is fairly spot on except you've allocated too many buses to the H91 and too few to the 71 and 418. Also as far as I'm aware the 71 will remain at FW and the 418 at TV so those batches will be separate. The H91 has 16 buses in total for a PVR of 14 and VH45179-194 makes 16 buses. The 71 & 418 bit is a typo on my behalf - it should read VH45124-45144 for the 418 & 71 with the 418 & 71 using a combined total of 20 VH’s for a combined PVR of 19 split between TV & FW.
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Post by Volvo on Jun 27, 2021 16:57:16 GMT
H12 no longer has an allocation at CP. I don't know why LBR still has H12 being run from CP as the 4 buses that were stationed at CP were moved a long long time ago now. Can't even remember when but the H12 and 251 moved back to BT a long while ago. To be honest (and i know I'm probably going to be the only person so say this), i actually think the new interior suits them rather well, and nornally I'm not really a fan of the standard dark blue RATP moquette. As much as i really like the LT style moquette, it's just good to see LT style seats themselves sporting something different. But i actually think they look rather colourful if I'm honest. I think you quoted the wrong message as my whole post has nothing to do with the VHRs
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Post by paulo on Jun 27, 2021 17:02:47 GMT
As I understand it, the following is what the VH situation will look like further down the road, feel free to correct as RATP isn't my strong point: Current situation: VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45126 - at TV, I suspect these are actually for the three school routes currently (613, 662 & 671) but see more time on standard routes VH45127--45138 - 65/N65 VH45139-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45154 - 85 VH45155 - 65/N65 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45166 - 65/N65 VH45167-45181 - 85 VH45182-45190/45192 - H91 VH45191/45193-45194 - 65/N65 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 65/N65 Confirmed routes to receive VH's are 71 & 418 which total 21 buses including spares which does leave some spare. Below is what I believe could end up happening, warning upcoming needless speculation VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45128 - 71 & 418 VH45129-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45155 - 613, 662 & 671 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45178 - 85 VH45179-45194 - H91 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 681 So my predicted allocations….. H45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45138 - 613/662/418 VH45139-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-155 - 85 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45167 - 71 VH45168-45181 - 85 VH45182-190 - H91 VH45191-197 - 71 VH45198-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 681 Might leave TV a bit top heavy and FW perhaps slightly short. Probably depends on whether 418 receives 15 or 16 reg
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 16:02:31 GMT
I hope the ADEs at BT get replaced by 2023 as I'm so bored of seeing them on the 142
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 28, 2021 16:24:22 GMT
As I understand it, the following is what the VH situation will look like further down the road, feel free to correct as RATP isn't my strong point: Current situation: VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45126 - at TV, I suspect these are actually for the three school routes currently (613, 662 & 671) but see more time on standard routes VH45127--45138 - 65/N65 VH45139-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45154 - 85 VH45155 - 65/N65 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45166 - 65/N65 VH45167-45181 - 85 VH45182-45190/45192 - H91 VH45191/45193-45194 - 65/N65 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 65/N65 Confirmed routes to receive VH's are 71 & 418 which total 21 buses including spares which does leave some spare. Below is what I believe could end up happening, warning upcoming needless speculation VH45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45128 - 71 & 418 VH45129-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-45155 - 613, 662 & 671 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45178 - 85 VH45179-45194 - H91 VH45195-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 681 So my predicted allocations….. H45101-45121 - 28/N28 VH45122-123 - 639 & 670 VH45124-45138 - 613/662/418 VH45139-45144 - H91 VH45145-45152 - 116 VH45153-155 - 85 VH45156-45161 - 481 VH45162-45167 - 71 VH45168-45181 - 85 VH45182-190 - H91 VH45191-197 - 71 VH45198-45202 - 18/N18 VH45216-45246 - 18/N18 VH45247-45251 - 423 VH45255-45257 - 423 VH45262-45277 - 105 daytime service VH45298-45309 - 79 VH45310-45317 - 406 VH45318-45319 - 681 Might leave TV a bit top heavy and FW perhaps slightly short. Probably depends on whether 418 receives 15 or 16 reg As mentioned on the 'Next route to convert to LT' thread the 71 is gaining 3 LTs. Not sure if for now or permanent but if it was then there's a good chance the ones from the 148 could end up there. If so then there will be a few VHs spare. I wonder where they could end up?
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Post by paulo on Jun 28, 2021 16:55:47 GMT
As expected, most if not all of the DLE’s for 216/411 now sport the correct garage code on the sides. And just to confuse matters more DLE30067 has gained HH garage codes over the weekend…….
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