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Post by sleckdeck on Dec 15, 2022 1:46:20 GMT
I mean spares from garages like AV can be taken, as I believe some SPs at AV are spare and some SPs are still at NC. Hopefully RATP can gather some SPs, otherwise they can try loaning out VWH’s from Metroline from AH? A few are spare. Does AH have any spare VWHS? Should do, multiple appear on the 81/E2 every day. Hopefully there are spares as they would be easy to loan to FW as not too far away from the garage. |
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Post by borneobus on Dec 15, 2022 2:02:12 GMT
Does AH have any spare VWHS? Should do, multiple appear on the 81/E2 every day. Hopefully there are spares as they would be easy to loan to FW as not too far away from the garage. Not a perfect like-for-like but could the 8 x DDE at TV freed-up from the 470 assist on the 371? |
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Post by COBO on Dec 15, 2022 2:07:38 GMT
Does AH have any spare VWHS? Should do, multiple appear on the 81/E2 every day. Hopefully there are spares as they would be easy to loan to FW as not too far away from the garage. Just because there are loads on the 81/E2 doesn’t mean that there are loads of spares. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 15, 2022 2:09:32 GMT
I do think some are rather over egging the issue here (not with FW itself, that's a big problem that really should of been foreseen and prepared for) in that people are now either suddenly de-announcing the rollout & calling for a halt entirely. Majority of the garages that operate electric vehicles have done so without too much issue so whilst I totally understand the criticism of RATP, I don't get the criticism of the rollout at all Eastlondoner62 I believe the rumoured cause of the WHD's current pedicament is supply of fuel rather than the buses themselves. Only once has there been an issue with the vehicles themselves and that was when an issue surrounding the frame? was discovered and this was rectified pretty quickly so I don't think the WHD's have been that bad either (especially when some successful vehicles like Solos and Enviro 300's, two buses I rate a lot, have had much more serious issues discovered many years into service or even the rather concerning one regarding the Omncity DD's staircase) |
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Post by Jack on Dec 15, 2022 8:47:28 GMT
Does AH have any spare VWHS? Should do, multiple appear on the 81/E2 every day. Hopefully there are spares as they would be easy to loan to FW as not too far away from the garage. When VWHs are on the routes, they’re covering for VWs that are off the road! Brentford has no loyalty to assist Fulwell in anyway. Likewise decommissioned buses cannot simply be put back into use if they’ve had all their TFL equipment removed. Like others said, taking buses from other garages and reducing service just creates an even bigger problem. It’s far from ideal, but it’s a Fulwell problem and that is where it needs to be dealt with from. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 9:37:29 GMT
It’s certainly flagged up a problem with electric buses. I have no idea what is causing it, it would be more transparent to actually explain this to the public rather than just say operational problems.
There has been warnings of grids collapsing during the winter and the overnight temperatures have consistently been below zero for the last few nights.
There is no evidence at all RATP is somehow blameworthy for this either.
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Post by WH241 on Dec 15, 2022 9:49:40 GMT
It’s certainly flagged up a problem with electric buses. I have no idea what is causing it, it would be more transparent to actually explain this to the public rather than just say operational problems. There has been warnings of grids collapsing during the winter and the overnight temperatures have consistently been below zero for the last few nights. There is no evidence at all RATP is somehow blameworthy for this either. Outside garages seem to be affected worse. The overnight service on the 69 was hybrid operated and there have been lots of similar issues in the past. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 15, 2022 9:51:09 GMT
It’s certainly flagged up a problem with electric buses. I have no idea what is causing it, it would be more transparent to actually explain this to the public rather than just say operational problems. There has been warnings of grids collapsing during the winter and the overnight temperatures have consistently been below zero for the last few nights. There is no evidence at all RATP is somehow blameworthy for this either. But it only highlights the issue of installing electrical infrastructure without consideration of the surroundings or additional supply. Other operators don’t seem to be experiencing the same issues as RATP, so they don’t get to be absolved of responsibility. It’s completely pathological to absolve them fully of fault. Please ask yourself do RATP own they garage, did they pay for the upgrades, are they responsible for the on site infrastructure with various contractors? Short answer is yes, so RATP are responsible until proven otherwise. Yes, the weather is cold but there is always a plan to ensure supplies are in place. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 15, 2022 11:44:31 GMT
It’s certainly flagged up a problem with electric buses. I have no idea what is causing it, it would be more transparent to actually explain this to the public rather than just say operational problems. There has been warnings of grids collapsing during the winter and the overnight temperatures have consistently been below zero for the last few nights. There is no evidence at all RATP is somehow blameworthy for this either. I wonder if any other operators have spare LTs laying around that RATP could hire? They could be used on the 71 as they were previously freeing up SP/VHs for the 65 and 281 or whether Stagecoach have any Scanias that are surplus to their requirements? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 12:08:09 GMT
It’s certainly flagged up a problem with electric buses. I have no idea what is causing it, it would be more transparent to actually explain this to the public rather than just say operational problems. There has been warnings of grids collapsing during the winter and the overnight temperatures have consistently been below zero for the last few nights. There is no evidence at all RATP is somehow blameworthy for this either. But it only highlights the issue of installing electrical infrastructure without consideration of the surroundings or additional supply. Other operators don’t seem to be experiencing the same issues as RATP, so they don’t get to be absolved of responsibility. It’s completely pathological to absolve them fully of fault. Please ask yourself do RATP own they garage, did they pay for the upgrades, are they responsible for the on site infrastructure with various contractors? Short answer is yes, so RATP are responsible until proven otherwise. Yes, the weather is cold but there is always a plan to ensure supplies are in place. RATP are to blame for climate issues ? Sullivan to blame for gridlock on the M25 and snow resulting in no services on Monday morning ? I mean really it’s not as clear cut as that. Are Metroline as culpable for the hydrogen issues on the 7 ? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 15, 2022 12:23:49 GMT
But it only highlights the issue of installing electrical infrastructure without consideration of the surroundings or additional supply. Other operators don’t seem to be experiencing the same issues as RATP, so they don’t get to be absolved of responsibility. It’s completely pathological to absolve them fully of fault. Please ask yourself do RATP own they garage, did they pay for the upgrades, are they responsible for the on site infrastructure with various contractors? Short answer is yes, so RATP are responsible until proven otherwise. Yes, the weather is cold but there is always a plan to ensure supplies are in place. RATP are to blame for climate issues ? Sullivan to blame for gridlock on the M25 and snow resulting in no services on Monday morning ? I mean really it’s not as clear cut as that. Are Metroline as culpable for the hydrogen issues on the 7 ? If the climate was the issue here why did everyone other electric garage not suffer the same way? Whether you like it or not, at least part of the blame here lies with the company. But it will be hard to tell how much of the blame does unless we know the full details. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 12:39:34 GMT
RATP are to blame for climate issues ? Sullivan to blame for gridlock on the M25 and snow resulting in no services on Monday morning ? I mean really it’s not as clear cut as that. Are Metroline as culpable for the hydrogen issues on the 7 ? If the climate was the issue here why did everyone other electric garage not suffer the same way? Whether you like it or not, at least part of the blame here lies with the company. But it will be hard to tell how much of the blame does unless we know the full details. What specific blame then can you elaborate? Or is this an opinion backed with no known facts ? |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Dec 15, 2022 17:28:04 GMT
RATP are to blame for climate issues ? Sullivan to blame for gridlock on the M25 and snow resulting in no services on Monday morning ? I mean really it’s not as clear cut as that. Are Metroline as culpable for the hydrogen issues on the 7 ? If the climate was the issue here why did everyone other electric garage not suffer the same way? Whether you like it or not, at least part of the blame here lies with the company. But it will be hard to tell how much of the blame does unless we know the full details. not sure how the M25 being covered in snow and ice is the fault of the management at Sullivan Buses, unless I'm really missing something.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 17:58:46 GMT
If the climate was the issue here why did everyone other electric garage not suffer the same way? Whether you like it or not, at least part of the blame here lies with the company. But it will be hard to tell how much of the blame does unless we know the full details. not sure how the M25 being covered in snow and ice is the fault of the management at Sullivan Buses, unless I'm really missing something.... No it wasn’t. But some people think the cold weather and national / local electric grid issues are the fault of RATP. That’s like blaming the occupants of a house who have no electricity because of a fault with the local substation. Utterly ridiculous. |
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Post by sleckdeck on Dec 15, 2022 18:01:38 GMT
It’s certainly flagged up a problem with electric buses. I have no idea what is causing it, it would be more transparent to actually explain this to the public rather than just say operational problems. There has been warnings of grids collapsing during the winter and the overnight temperatures have consistently been below zero for the last few nights. There is no evidence at all RATP is somehow blameworthy for this either. I wonder if any other operators have spare LTs laying around that RATP could hire? They could be used on the 71 as they were previously freeing up SP/VHs for the 65 and 281 or whether Stagecoach have any Scanias that are surplus to their requirements? If RM still have omnicities around then they can hopefully lend some to FW. Another solution would be for another RATP garage or stagecoach to lend E400s/E40H’s to TV to release more VH’s to FW. |
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