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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2013 19:39:25 GMT
Bromley dont seem to be too pro public transport. They rejected a proposal for an extension of Tramlink to Bromley. They withdrew their funding for the Bromley Park and Ride even though TfL were willing to keep their half of the funding and now this Bromley North proposal. Im not saying that all Tory councils are like this, Surrey CC and Kent CC on the other hand do very well for the money they have, and seem quite pro public transport. This is also the same council that is one of 5 London councils that are increasing council tax which is in stark contrast to Hounslow who have cut theirs - ok I've gone off the main point but it gives a small insight into how selfish Bromley council seem to be. |
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 9, 2013 20:11:28 GMT
Bromley dont seem to be too pro public transport. They rejected a proposal for an extension of Tramlink to Bromley. They withdrew their funding for the Bromley Park and Ride even though TfL were willing to keep their half of the funding and now this Bromley North proposal. Im not saying that all Tory councils are like this, Surrey CC and Kent CC on the other hand do very well for the money they have, and seem quite pro public transport. This is also the same council that is one of 5 London councils that are increasing council tax which is in stark contrast to Hounslow who have cut theirs - ok I've gone off the main point but it gives a small insight into how selfish Bromley council seem to be. Hounslow cut their council tax but significantly increased parking charges; it is currently £1.50 for 1 hour or £3.20 for 2 hours   (I don't know the charges for longer lengths of time). Although unlike nearby Ealing they do have free parking on Sundays  |
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Post by markyl on Jul 17, 2013 20:42:35 GMT
Bromley dont seem to be too pro public transport. They rejected a proposal for an extension of Tramlink to Bromley. They withdrew their funding for the Bromley Park and Ride even though TfL were willing to keep their half of the funding and now this Bromley North proposal. Im not saying that all Tory councils are like this, Surrey CC and Kent CC on the other hand do very well for the money they have, and seem quite pro public transport. Bromley Council does want the DLR to come to town ... www.bromley.gov.uk/press/article/702/council_shows_strong_support_for_dlr_to_bromley |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 21:12:29 GMT
Bromley dont seem to be too pro public transport. They rejected a proposal for an extension of Tramlink to Bromley. They withdrew their funding for the Bromley Park and Ride even though TfL were willing to keep their half of the funding and now this Bromley North proposal. Im not saying that all Tory councils are like this, Surrey CC and Kent CC on the other hand do very well for the money they have, and seem quite pro public transport. Bromley Council does want the DLR to come to town ... www.bromley.gov.uk/press/article/702/council_shows_strong_support_for_dlr_to_bromleyI find it hilarious they're comparing it to Crossrail and HS2, which would provide far more links, far more capacity, and speed up far more passengers' journeys. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 18, 2013 0:40:38 GMT
Bromley dont seem to be too pro public transport. They rejected a proposal for an extension of Tramlink to Bromley. They withdrew their funding for the Bromley Park and Ride even though TfL were willing to keep their half of the funding and now this Bromley North proposal. Im not saying that all Tory councils are like this, Surrey CC and Kent CC on the other hand do very well for the money they have, and seem quite pro public transport. Bromley Council does want the DLR to come to town ... www.bromley.gov.uk/press/article/702/council_shows_strong_support_for_dlr_to_bromleyI didn't know ex Spurs, Birmingham & Republic of Ireland right back Stephen Carr worked for Bromley Council lol. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 18, 2013 0:43:05 GMT
I find it hilarious they're comparing it to Crossrail and HS2, which would provide far more links, far more capacity, and speed up far more passengers' journeys. Yeah, it's clearly not in the same league - for starters, the DLR is more for local links than creating high speed long distance services. Does Bromley need this link? |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 18, 2013 8:08:46 GMT
I find it hilarious they're comparing it to Crossrail and HS2, which would provide far more links, far more capacity, and speed up far more passengers' journeys. Yeah, it's clearly not in the same league - for starters, the DLR is more for local links than creating high speed long distance services. Does Bromley need this link? I think there is an element of "we want a slice of the Mayor's transport pie" in Bromley's thinking rather than pure transport need. Boris suggesting a DLR and tram line to Bromley was an attempt to "dangle a carrot" in return for votes. Nonetheless nothing concrete will happen between now and 2016 so it's all just bluster and words. I think TfL will struggle to make a positive business case for a DLR line from Lewisham all the way to Bromley. A line to Catford and Downham probably would work but where you'd actually build it I'm not sure. If it was tunnelled then it's going to be very costly. The plans to redevelop Lewisham town centre will box in the DLR station making it very hard to build an extension and the nearly rivers present a big problem in getting a tunnel put in place. Bromley residents certainly don't want a tube service to take over any of their rail services because journeys would be too slow. Given DLR is lower capacity and slower than a tube I struggle to see what the point of a DLR extension is. I also doubt there will be much support for any sort of tram line if it means any restriction on road or parking space. Bromley considers itself to be in rural Kent rather than part of London and that frames its mindset and why it wrecked past pro public transport policies and thinks nothing of mucking up bus services. The better solution for Bromley would be vastly better bus services and high quality orbital routes but that needs bus lanes and bus priority and more stand space. These aren't things Bromley Council are much in favour of. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 8:47:17 GMT
The Bromley North branch would be ideal for a a DLR extension from Lewisham or an LO extension from New Cross, the current SET service only goes to Grove Park anyway so nobody would be worse off. An underground extension to Bromley South would create an idea interchange for commuters from Kent to get to docklands area without going into central London
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Post by snoggle on Jul 18, 2013 10:32:10 GMT
The Bromley North branch would be ideal for a a DLR extension from Lewisham or an LO extension from New Cross, the current SET service only goes to Grove Park anyway so nobody would be worse off. An underground extension to Bromley South would create an idea interchange for commuters from Kent to get to docklands area without going into central London Looks good on paper but extremely unlikely to be built. I don't know if you read the London Reconnections blog but they did a feature about the Bromley North branch a few months back which set out a load of reasons as to why it is never likely to prosper nor see anything like through services to London or DLR conversion. The main line service to Kent that runs through Grove Park presents a massive obstacle to doing anything sensible to the Bromley N branch. There is also a very limited catchment area for the branch and it's never likely to see any sort of dense housing development - the locals wouldn't let it happen. It's not a line I know well. I once opted to try the line as a quick way to Bromley. I got a quick train to Grove Park from New Cross and then got stymied with a 25 min wait for a train. Never again and yes I know the freq is now every 20 mins. I'd rather risk a slow slog on a much more frequent bus! |
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Post by jay38a on Jul 18, 2013 10:39:22 GMT
The Bromley North branch would be ideal for a a DLR extension from Lewisham or an LO extension from New Cross, the current SET service only goes to Grove Park anyway so nobody would be worse off. An underground extension to Bromley South would create an idea interchange for commuters from Kent to get to docklands area without going into central London Looks good on paper but extremely unlikely to be built. I don't know if you read the London Reconnections blog but they did a feature about the Bromley North branch a few months back which set out a load of reasons as to why it is never likely to prosper nor see anything like through services to London or DLR conversion. The main line service to Kent that runs through Grove Park presents a massive obstacle to doing anything sensible to the Bromley N branch. There is also a very limited catchment area for the branch and it's never likely to see any sort of dense housing development - the locals wouldn't let it happen. It's not a line I know well. I once opted to try the line as a quick way to Bromley. I got a quick train to Grove Park from New Cross and then got stymied with a 25 min wait for a train. Never again and yes I know the freq is now every 20 mins. I'd rather risk a slow slog on a much more frequent bus! There was talk in around 2010 about reintroducing through services to London from Bromley North however instead it was decided to boost the Cannon Street/Charing Cross to Orpington services to 4 services per hour instead and the fast paths got taken up by Charing Cross to Tunbridge Wells services going every 15 mins off peak, so theres now no paths available. |
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Post by lonmark on Jul 21, 2013 19:16:40 GMT
From 29th July, Result affect on route 138,269,336 and 367 will be reroute via Tweedy Road Instead of East Street and Widmore Road.
It really shame that route 269 will affect on young and older people will find diffcult to walking long way to bus stop at Bromley North Station and Widmore road/Kentish Way bus stop from the High Street.
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Post by londonbusboy on Jul 22, 2013 2:06:28 GMT
That stop in East Street is very useful for me wanting to get the 269 as i did Saturday but i will have to take a 5 minute extra walk to the north but hey ho
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Post by lonmark on Jul 22, 2013 11:16:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2013 12:14:15 GMT
Can't say I'm too surprised. The currently Bromley map is a bit too confusing - a huge area covered with numerous routes going in numerous directions - it simply makes it easier to split them in two. Plus, Bromley North and Bromley South aren't particularly close together - the only reason the Elephant and Castle map works (possibly the area with the most converging day routes) works is because all routes centre around the big roundabout and branch off. |
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Post by lonmark on Jul 31, 2013 16:21:44 GMT
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(I don't know the charges for longer lengths of time). Although unlike nearby Ealing they do have free parking on Sundays 
