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Post by lonmark on Nov 12, 2012 14:59:01 GMT
Bromley North Overview Transport for London (TfL) are working in partnership with the London Borough of Bromley to deliver significant changes to the area around Bromley North Village. This should help improve the local economy by enhancing this historic shopping area. • an enhanced pedestrian environment with wider footways • new public spaces • clearer pedestrian signage • safer crossings Why We Are Consulting To allow this to happen TfL are proposing changes to bus routes that currently serve East Street, Market Square and Widmore Road and also changes to bus stops around Market Square. Affected bus routes Route 138 Bromley North – Coney Hall Route 269 Bromley North – Bexleyheath Route 336 Catford – Locksbottom Route 367 Bromley – Croydon From Bromley North station, buses on routes 138, 336 and 367 would be rerouted along Tweedy Road direct to Kentish Way, instead of East Street and Widmore Road. Route 269 would be rerouted from Bromley North station, along Tweedy Road direct into Widmore Road. It would no longer serve East Street or the western end of Widmore Road. The nearest bus stops to the High Street and Market Square would be at Bromley North station, or in Widmore Road at Kentish Way. We are also proposing to make changes to some bus stops in the town centre. Bus stop F in East Street at Market Square would close. Routes 138, 269, 336 and 367 would no longer serve bus stop J in Widmore Road. We are also proposing to close the stops on Market Square (stops I and O) and stops L and LA (in the High Street) would be merged into one stop. We are not proposing any changes to buses towards Bromley North or the bus stops in West Street and the routes that serve them. We are consulting you so that we can understand the needs and views of bus users and people living on and near to the proposed area. For more information about the changes being made in this area by Bromley Council please visit Bromley.gov.uk/bromleynorthvillage What happens next? The consultation is open until Friday 21 December 2012. During this time we will consult with local businesses, schools, local community organisations and services, and residents. If you are aware of any additional groups that we should contact, please provide their contact details. Transport for London will review all responses to this consultation alongside financial, legal, safety and technical considerations. When a decision has been reached, TfL will provide updates to stakeholders and any members of the public who have provided their contact details to us in relation to this consultation. To have your say, please complete the online form below. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/bromley-north |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 16:32:06 GMT
The 269 misses the town centre completley, few people wanna go to Bromley North Stn.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 17:50:25 GMT
Anyone that wanted to go from Bromley North to the town centre probably wouldn't get on one of these buses anyway, and I was always confused by how they added extra time to the route for a section nobody was really using. I can understand people from further afield might want to go to the town centre, at the other end of the route, but they're not changing anything toward Bromley North, so that's fine.
As for closing bus stops I and O, I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Aren't they two of the most heavily used stops in that area?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 19:04:15 GMT
How many times will they reroute the 269 in that area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 19:56:37 GMT
Better to reroute the 269 to Bromley South but then theres a stand space problem
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Post by vjaska on Nov 12, 2012 23:04:19 GMT
The changes to the 138, 336 & 367 are good, never understood why those 3 routes served East Street rather than just go direct via Tweedy Road to Kentish Way.
However, I think TfL have missed a trick with the 269. They should of re-routed it from Bromley North via Tweedy Road, London Road, High Street to Widmore Road so it can still serve part of Bromley Town Centre. I prefer Issac's idea on the 269 myself but as he mentioned, there is stand space problem so surely my idea is a decent compromise.
As for closing stops 'I' & 'O', I do not understand that one bit. Both are used far more than stops 'H', 'L' & 'LA' which seem pretty dead and pointless stops.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 23:08:38 GMT
The changes to the 138, 336 & 367 are good, never understood why those 3 routes served East Street rather than just go direct via Tweedy Road to Kentish Way. However, I think TfL have missed a trick with the 269. They should of re-routed it from Bromley North via Tweedy Road, London Road, High Street to Widmore Road so it can still serve part of Bromley Town Centre. I prefer Issac's idea on the 269 myself but as he mentioned, there is stand space problem so surely my idea is a decent compromise. As for closing stops 'I' & 'O', I do not understand that one bit. Both are used far more than stops 'H', 'L' & 'LA' which seem pretty dead and pointless stops. Maybe it's due to the location of those stops being in a very inconvenient place for anyone not waiting for the bus, I suppose. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 12, 2012 23:20:32 GMT
The changes to the 138, 336 & 367 are good, never understood why those 3 routes served East Street rather than just go direct via Tweedy Road to Kentish Way. However, I think TfL have missed a trick with the 269. They should of re-routed it from Bromley North via Tweedy Road, London Road, High Street to Widmore Road so it can still serve part of Bromley Town Centre. I prefer Issac's idea on the 269 myself but as he mentioned, there is stand space problem so surely my idea is a decent compromise. As for closing stops 'I' & 'O', I do not understand that one bit. Both are used far more than stops 'H', 'L' & 'LA' which seem pretty dead and pointless stops. Maybe it's due to the location of those stops being in a very inconvenient place for anyone not waiting for the bus, I suppose. The thing is though, where bus stops 'H', 'L' & 'LA' are, it's more inconvenient to anyone not waiting for a bus as the pavement is much narrower there. Not only is the pavement wider at stops 'I' & 'O', but thats where the beginning of the High Street at Market Square. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 23:29:03 GMT
That's true but the crowding at the northbound stop (can't remember if it's I or O) is awful and the pavement ends up completely blocked. It is of course, however, one of the most popular stops in the area and it does seem odd to close it.
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Post by Paul on Nov 13, 2012 0:27:39 GMT
However, I think TfL have missed a trick with the 269. They should of re-routed it from Bromley North via Tweedy Road, London Road, High Street to Widmore Road so it can still serve part of Bromley Town Centre That would require something of a shuffling of the lights, since that turn is currently not possible.....not at all.....honest guv....... The Bromley South idea is better but, as has been pointed out, stand space is an issue and I understand there are going to be problems with just the 126 terminating there soon! To be honest, I can't see this one going ahead; the distance between the shops and the stop on Widmore Road is too great for some of the many elderly passengers using the 269 I can only presume the closure of two of the busiest stops in Bromley is to do with the wider footways part of the plan. Maybe a 'No Loading' restriction as well since the McDonalds lorries block the stop quite regularly Moving everyone up to The Greyhound (yes, I had to look up the stops!) might also be part of the plan to get more people using that end of the High Street I'm not sure much of this will go through and if it does there will be great opposition to it |
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Post by londonbusboy on Nov 13, 2012 3:08:05 GMT
I think the 269 routing it does now in Bromley North is perfect! Alot of people do alight outside the Boots in Widmore Road from Bexleyheath.
The stop in east street served by the 138,269,336,367 is a popular one with shoppers and it would be ridiculous for them not to serve there.
What is it with Bromley and narrowing the roads all the time!! It will be another Orpington disaster
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Post by vjaska on Nov 13, 2012 3:21:02 GMT
However, I think TfL have missed a trick with the 269. They should of re-routed it from Bromley North via Tweedy Road, London Road, High Street to Widmore Road so it can still serve part of Bromley Town Centre That would require something of a shuffling of the lights, since that turn is currently not possible.....not at all.....honest guv....... The Bromley South idea is better but, as has been pointed out, stand space is an issue and I understand there are going to be problems with just the 126 terminating there soon! To be honest, I can't see this one going ahead; the distance between the shops and the stop on Widmore Road is too great for some of the many elderly passengers using the 269 I can only presume the closure of two of the busiest stops in Bromley is to do with the wider footways part of the plan. Maybe a 'No Loading' restriction as well since the McDonalds lorries block the stop quite regularly Moving everyone up to The Greyhound (yes, I had to look up the stops!) might also be part of the plan to get more people using that end of the High Street I'm not sure much of this will go through and if it does there will be great opposition to it The restriction on Mitchell Way should be opened up just for Buses - you wouldn't need to reposition the lights at all seeing as their is box junction there which you are not allowed to enter unless there is space beyond the box junction markings. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 21:31:47 GMT
A lot of people who prescribe to certain modern schools of thought think buses are a hindrance to preserving/enhancing an area's urban realm, pretty sad really.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 13, 2012 22:57:24 GMT
I think the 269 routing it does now in Bromley North is perfect! Alot of people do alight outside the Boots in Widmore Road from Bexleyheath. The stop in east street served by the 138,269,336,367 is a popular one with shoppers and it would be ridiculous for them not to serve there. What is it with Bromley and narrowing the roads all the time!! It will be another Orpington disaster I am not very familiar with Bromley but I have had a look at this proposal. I think it will be hugely unpopular given the extra distances people will have to walk. Changes like the 269's look particularly daft. Other than at Bromley South buses seem to be shoved on to the back roads in Bromley but then the Council is notoriously anti public transport and pro motorist. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 23:05:39 GMT
I think the 269 routing it does now in Bromley North is perfect! Alot of people do alight outside the Boots in Widmore Road from Bexleyheath. To be fair, doesn't it say bus to Bromley North won't be affected, only buses from Bromley North? Therefore the only people affected would be people travelling from Bromley North to the northern most end of the pedestrianised area. Unless I'm misinterpreting this, it's only the Bromley North to market-area link that's being slightly severed - as I understood it, buses from Coney Hall/Croydon/Bexleyheath etc. wouldn't be affected, though I may be misinterpreting these proposals... However, the closure of stops I and O is very odd, given they're the two two most popular stops in that bit of Bromley and there'll likely be huge resistance to that. |
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