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Post by mre81 on Jan 12, 2013 1:49:52 GMT
How about some of those express routes Boris promised us back in 2008. When the bendies were replaced was a perfect opportunity to introduce express versions of certain routes to keep capacity up. X12, X25 and X38 were three I thought would work perfectly. Limited to major stops in central London then fast to the 'burbs, a la X68.
For instance an X12 serving the major interchanges between Oxford Circus and Horseguards then running fast to Peckham Bus Station then stopping all the way to Dulwich Plough. To make it even quicker it could avoid traffic hotspots like the Elephant and Walworth Rd, by running via Lambeth Bridge, Kennington and Camberwell New Rd. Potentially this could reduce demand on the main routes, particularly if run 24 hours, unlike the X68.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2013 4:13:21 GMT
How about some of those express routes Boris promised us back in 2008. When the bendies were replaced was a perfect opportunity to introduce express versions of certain routes to keep capacity up. X12, X25 and X38 were three I thought would work perfectly. Limited to major stops in central London then fast to the 'burbs, a la X68. For instance an X12 serving the major interchanges between Oxford Circus and Horseguards then running fast to Peckham Bus Station then stopping all the way to Dulwich Plough. To make it even quicker it could avoid traffic hotspots like the Elephant and Walworth Rd, by running via Lambeth Bridge, Kennington and Camberwell New Rd. Potentially this could reduce demand on the main routes, particularly if run 24 hours, unlike the X68. Thrown in a X59 running from Croydon to Oxford Circus following the N109 route. Could even remove the N109 & make it 24 hours. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 10:52:49 GMT
How about some of those express routes Boris promised us back in 2008. When the bendies were replaced was a perfect opportunity to introduce express versions of certain routes to keep capacity up. X12, X25 and X38 were three I thought would work perfectly. Limited to major stops in central London then fast to the 'burbs, a la X68. The express buses he promised were for routes like the X26 for getting around, outer London where links are poor. In his manifesto he used an example of something like Sutton to Bromley because it can only be done directly by changing between several local buses as by train you would have to go into and out of central London. There was never any intention of running extra buses into central London as there are tube and train options as express ways of getting there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 12:48:47 GMT
How about some of those express routes Boris promised us back in 2008. When the bendies were replaced was a perfect opportunity to introduce express versions of certain routes to keep capacity up. X12, X25 and X38 were three I thought would work perfectly. Limited to major stops in central London then fast to the 'burbs, a la X68. The express buses he promised were for routes like the X26 for getting around, outer London where links are poor. In his manifesto he used an example of something like Sutton to Bromley because it can only be done directly by changing between several local buses as by train you would have to go into and out of central London. There was never any intention of running extra buses into central London as there are tube and train options as express ways of getting there. However some Central London express routes would be very useful like an X25,X29 and bring back the X53. In the suburbs a Croydon to Dartford and Bluewater via the old 726 route has been mentioned and there is scope for plenty more. |
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Post by jay38a on Jan 12, 2013 13:23:01 GMT
The express buses he promised were for routes like the X26 for getting around, outer London where links are poor. In his manifesto he used an example of something like Sutton to Bromley because it can only be done directly by changing between several local buses as by train you would have to go into and out of central London. There was never any intention of running extra buses into central London as there are tube and train options as express ways of getting there. However some Central London express routes would be very useful like an X25,X29 and bring back the X53. In the suburbs a Croydon to Dartford and Bluewater via the old 726 route has been mentioned and there is scope for plenty more. I would agree with the Croydon to Bluewater route which i mentioned further up in the topic, even an extension to Ebbsfleet International Station maybe useful |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 14:08:54 GMT
However some Central London express routes would be very useful like an X25,X29 and bring back the X53. In the suburbs a Croydon to Dartford and Bluewater via the old 726 route has been mentioned and there is scope for plenty more. I would agree with the Croydon to Bluewater route which i mentioned further up in the topic, even an extension to Ebbsfleet International Station maybe useful Indeed, also Darent Valley hospital, three important passengers objectives all within a stones throw of each other. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 18:06:50 GMT
Route 426
Finchley Central - North Finchley - Whetstone - East Barnet - Barnet - Potters Bar Station
A day version of school route 626, except it skips New Barnet.
Operated by Metroline with TP's/TPL's from PB every 20 mins.
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Post by mre81 on Jan 12, 2013 19:18:51 GMT
How about some of those express routes Boris promised us back in 2008. When the bendies were replaced was a perfect opportunity to introduce express versions of certain routes to keep capacity up. X12, X25 and X38 were three I thought would work perfectly. Limited to major stops in central London then fast to the 'burbs, a la X68. The express buses he promised were for routes like the X26 for getting around, outer London where links are poor. In his manifesto he used an example of something like Sutton to Bromley because it can only be done directly by changing between several local buses as by train you would have to go into and out of central London. There was never any intention of running extra buses into central London as there are tube and train options as express ways of getting there. Maybe I'm being greedy, but personally I'd like to see express buses in the burbs and going into Central London! The X68 is still very popular despite West Croydon having good rail links. Areas the 38 serves aren't that well provisioned with rail links into London- with the exception of into Liverpool St- there are no direct rail links from Hackney or Clapton to the West End. Most of the parts of South Peckham and Dulwich don't have rail links either. And the fact that the 25 runs along well served tube and rail lines, hasn't stopped it from being hugely overcrowded. |
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Post by southeastlondonbus on Jan 12, 2013 22:36:55 GMT
Maybe divert the route at Sidcup via Foots Cray and The North Cray Road to Bexley as this would supplement the 492 along this section. Extend the 269 from Bexleyheath via the 96 to Dartford then across the river to Lakeside and Chafford Hundred Stn. Taking on this idea in part how about an X25 from West Croydon to Ebbsfleet International Station via the old 726 routing to Dartford then 96 to Bluewater then direct to Ebbsfleet via the A2. Recreate the old 429 from Bromley to Bluewater via Chislehurst, New Eltham, Blackfen, Blendon and Bexley, this route was more successful then the X29 that followed it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 14:06:14 GMT
The express buses he promised were for routes like the X26 for getting around, outer London where links are poor. In his manifesto he used an example of something like Sutton to Bromley because it can only be done directly by changing between several local buses as by train you would have to go into and out of central London. There was never any intention of running extra buses into central London as there are tube and train options as express ways of getting there. Maybe I'm being greedy, but personally I'd like to see express buses in the burbs and going into Central London! The X68 is still very popular despite West Croydon having good rail links. Areas the 38 serves aren't that well provisioned with rail links into London- with the exception of into Liverpool St- there are no direct rail links from Hackney or Clapton to the West End. Most of the parts of South Peckham and Dulwich don't have rail links either. And the fact that the 25 runs along well served tube and rail lines, hasn't stopped it from being hugely overcrowded. The X68 is indeed popular although it does serve areas that are remote from the railway. There should certainly be some sort of express from the Hackney area into Central London. |
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Post by marlon101 on Jan 13, 2013 16:07:59 GMT
Maybe divert the route at Sidcup via Foots Cray and The North Cray Road to Bexley as this would supplement the 492 along this section. Taking on this idea in part how about an X25 from West Croydon to Ebbsfleet International Station via the old 726 routing to Dartford then 96 to Bluewater then direct to Ebbsfleet via the A2. Recreate the old 429 from Bromley to Bluewater via Chislehurst, New Eltham, Blackfen, Blendon and Bexley, this route was more successful then the X29 that followed it. Which route are you diverting? A potential Croydon to Bluewater service of some kind or the 269? Both are interesting ideas but diverting the 269 would affect more people adversely than positively I suspect. The one reason why I might pull away from a Croydon to Bluewater service is the fact that a Westfield Croydon has been mooted a few times obviating the need for a bus to Bluewater but did people envisage many point-to-point journeys along the way? I can't think of many Bexley folk who routinely travel beyond Bromley |
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Post by southeastlondonbus on Jan 13, 2013 20:54:02 GMT
Sorry should of meant myself clearer meant the X25 as the old 726 routeing between Sidcup and Bexleyheath is already well covered by the 229. Maybe divert the route at Sidcup via Foots Cray and The North Cray Road to Bexley as this would supplement the 492 along this section. Which route are you diverting? A potential Croydon to Bluewater service of some kind or the 269? Both are interesting ideas but diverting the 269 would affect more people adversely than positively I suspect. The one reason why I might pull away from a Croydon to Bluewater service is the fact that a Westfield Croydon has been mooted a few times obviating the need for a bus to Bluewater but did people envisage many point-to-point journeys along the way? I can't think of many Bexley folk who routinely travel beyond Bromley |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 23:21:30 GMT
I would love to have a bus route between Streatham and Sutton, it is one I would certainly use, but I am not sure the best way of doing it as a new route would most likely duplicate other routes the whole way. The easiest option would be by extending the 118, which would add new links to Brixton too, though my earlier suggestion of extending it to Peckham would probably make it too long to do both though I think that is a much needed route too.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 14, 2013 4:06:35 GMT
I would love to have a bus route between Streatham and Sutton, it is one I would certainly use, but I am not sure the best way of doing it as a new route would most likely duplicate other routes the whole way. The easiest option would be by extending the 118, which would add new links to Brixton too, though my earlier suggestion of extending it to Peckham would probably make it too long to do both though I think that is a much needed route too. Whilst I like your Peckham idea, there are alternatives for passengers from Streatham (P13) & Brixton (345 or a new route 445 if I had my way ;D) whereas there are no such alternatives from Brixton & Streatham to Sutton. The only issue would be is an extension of the 118 to Sutton is longer than the routeing you proposed for an extension of the 118 to Peckham (via Brixton Road, Vassall Road, then 36 & 436) which isn't as far. |
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Post by Volvo on Jan 14, 2013 10:49:35 GMT
I dont know about what two routes I would create yet, I have many ideas alot of them being very long routes lol.
However one change to a route in hackney I would like to make is the 38, the ones going towards Clapton Pond I would re route it up Pembury and Cricketfield Road for the following reasons.
1) the 38 isn't well used between Hackney Central and Clapton Pond because it follows the 48/55/106/253/254 which are all high frequency and then when you get past Mare Street it then meets the 425/488 and those are two bus stops away from Mare Street and it isn't a far walk it is about 5-7 mins actually from Hackney Central Station.
2) It would create a link from Pembury Road to Hackney Central as the walk is quite long its about 10-12mins and I know alot of elderly people would benefit from a link as such.
3) when the Leyton mess about with the 56s service which is atleast 4 x a week it would be nice to have another service help out between pembury road and dalston even if it does mean taking a slightly longer route. Its quite a walk down to Hackney Downs to catch the 30 and if you miss the 30, then you end up waiting atleast 12-15mins for another bus and when it is cold as it is now, with the 56 service acting up aswell. It isn't a pleasant wait at the bus stop.
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