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Post by snoggle on Jan 14, 2013 14:54:11 GMT
I dont know about what two routes I would create yet, I have many ideas alot of them being very long routes lol. However one change to a route in hackney I would like to make is the 38, the ones going towards Clapton Pond I would re route it up Pembury and Cricketfield Road for the following reasons. 1) the 38 isn't well used between Hackney Central and Clapton Pond because it follows the 48/55/106/253/254 which are all high frequency and then when you get past Mare Street it then meets the 425/488 and those are two bus stops away from Mare Street and it isn't a far walk it is about 5-7 mins actually from Hackney Central Station. 2) It would create a link from Pembury Road to Hackney Central as the walk is quite long its about 10-12mins and I know alot of elderly people would benefit from a link as such. 3) when the Leyton mess about with the 56s service which is atleast 4 x a week it would be nice to have another service help out between pembury road and dalston even if it does mean taking a slightly longer route. Its quite a walk down to Hackney Downs to catch the 30 and if you miss the 30, then you end up waiting atleast 12-15mins for another bus and when it is cold as it is now, with the 56 service acting up aswell. It isn't a pleasant wait at the bus stop. Surely the easiest way to achieve your Pembury Rd - H Central link is to extend the 393 through to Clapton Garage? The problem with Pembury Rd is that is full of parked vehicles near the top end and gets congested at the Pond traffic lights. Shoving another (up to) 14 bph with double decks along it wouldn't help very much. The smaller Darts would probably be ideal to provide that relatively short extension. It'd still need another 1 or 2 buses to cover the link. The underlying performance of the 393 also looks pretty good so Arriva should be able to cope with a relatively short extension. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 14, 2013 16:43:13 GMT
maybe divert the 201 to Sutton at Mitcham Tram stop which would leae morden road without a bus again which is not that far from the 118 or the 163 could extend to Mitcham in replacement but stand space could be an issue in Mitcham.
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Post by Volvo on Jan 14, 2013 17:54:09 GMT
I dont know about what two routes I would create yet, I have many ideas alot of them being very long routes lol. However one change to a route in hackney I would like to make is the 38, the ones going towards Clapton Pond I would re route it up Pembury and Cricketfield Road for the following reasons. 1) the 38 isn't well used between Hackney Central and Clapton Pond because it follows the 48/55/106/253/254 which are all high frequency and then when you get past Mare Street it then meets the 425/488 and those are two bus stops away from Mare Street and it isn't a far walk it is about 5-7 mins actually from Hackney Central Station. 2) It would create a link from Pembury Road to Hackney Central as the walk is quite long its about 10-12mins and I know alot of elderly people would benefit from a link as such. 3) when the Leyton mess about with the 56s service which is atleast 4 x a week it would be nice to have another service help out between pembury road and dalston even if it does mean taking a slightly longer route. Its quite a walk down to Hackney Downs to catch the 30 and if you miss the 30, then you end up waiting atleast 12-15mins for another bus and when it is cold as it is now, with the 56 service acting up aswell. It isn't a pleasant wait at the bus stop. Surely the easiest way to achieve your Pembury Rd - H Central link is to extend the 393 through to Clapton Garage? The problem with Pembury Rd is that is full of parked vehicles near the top end and gets congested at the Pond traffic lights. Shoving another (up to) 14 bph with double decks along it wouldn't help very much. The smaller Darts would probably be ideal to provide that relatively short extension. It'd still need another 1 or 2 buses to cover the link. The underlying performance of the 393 also looks pretty good so Arriva should be able to cope with a relatively short extension. I have lived here since 2003 and I can tell you that is utter nonsense. Parked cars on on one side of cricketfield road (towards Clapton Pond) and it doesnt cause a problem atall. Pembury and Cricketfield Road are always clear at all times of the day unless there is roadworks going on. The 393 is long enough and I think needs a pvr increase on the current route alone, without being extended. Even if that was a suggestion that doesn't aid the extra help the 38 would privide between pembury road and Islington Angel even when the 56 gets messed up and takes ages to turn up and then gets short turns to essex road from whipps cross. Believe me I am not the only resident who thinks the 38 should be diverted via pembury road for the reason mentioned before there is more than enough capacity between hackney central and clapton pond via the current routing and the 38 is not very well used along there at all |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 14, 2013 17:58:15 GMT
@ those thinking of express services : yes, very much needed imo! The 726 is still much missed, and some sort of recreation of the old Green Line network, taking into account rail services and suchlike, would, I feel, be a great asset to the TfL network.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 14, 2013 18:40:17 GMT
maybe divert the 201 to Sutton at Mitcham Tram stop which would leae morden road without a bus again which is not that far from the 118 or the 163 could extend to Mitcham in replacement but stand space could be an issue in Mitcham. Extending the 201 is a no go IMO as its quite lengthy in its current form and it was unreliable a few years back. I'd just up capacity on the 201 as its very packed between Morden & Tulse Hill. |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 16, 2013 14:35:07 GMT
New route 334 - SURREY QUAYS to MITCHAM
via Rotherhithe New Road, Old Kent Road, Abany Road, Wells Way, Southhampton Way, Peckham Road, Camberwell Green, Coldharbour Lane, Loughborough Junction, Gresham Road, Brixton Road, Brixton, Brixton Hill, Streatham Hill, Streatham High Street, Mitcham Lane, Streatham Road, London Road, Mitcham Town Centre (Fair Green)
frequency 12 mins day (10 min peak hours), 20 mins evenings
SWB double deckers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 17:12:10 GMT
Extending the 201 is a no go IMO as its quite lengthy in its current form and it was unreliable a few years back. I'd just up capacity on the 201 as its very packed between Morden & Tulse Hill. You could have a new route from Tulse Hill to Sutton running alongside the 201, with both running every 20 minutes so it gives you an increase from 4 to 6 buses an hour over that section. Also you would be able to use double deckers on the new route if the demand is there as they will avoid the low bridge to Herne Hill. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 16, 2013 17:55:48 GMT
Surely the easiest way to achieve your Pembury Rd - H Central link is to extend the 393 through to Clapton Garage? The problem with Pembury Rd is that is full of parked vehicles near the top end and gets congested at the Pond traffic lights. Shoving another (up to) 14 bph with double decks along it wouldn't help very much. The smaller Darts would probably be ideal to provide that relatively short extension. It'd still need another 1 or 2 buses to cover the link. The underlying performance of the 393 also looks pretty good so Arriva should be able to cope with a relatively short extension. I have lived here since 2003 and I can tell you that is utter nonsense. Parked cars on on one side of cricketfield road (towards Clapton Pond) and it doesnt cause a problem atall. Pembury and Cricketfield Road are always clear at all times of the day unless there is roadworks going on. The 393 is long enough and I think needs a pvr increase on the current route alone, without being extended. Even if that was a suggestion that doesn't aid the extra help the 38 would privide between pembury road and Islington Angel even when the 56 gets messed up and takes ages to turn up and then gets short turns to essex road from whipps cross. Believe me I am not the only resident who thinks the 38 should be diverted via pembury road for the reason mentioned before there is more than enough capacity between hackney central and clapton pond via the current routing and the 38 is not very well used along there at all You could simply say you disagree without the pejorative "utter nonsense" remarks. In the times I have travelled along Pembury Rd / Cricketfield Road at oeak times I have been stuck in jams and buses have had to squeeze past each other because of the parked vehicles. Our experiences clearly differ. The problem with diverting the 38 is that I do not think up to another 14 tph on Pembury Road is in any way justified. Your comment might beg a bigger question about whether the 38 should run beyond Hackney Central at all but that's a separate issue. We can always say "routes are too long" but the performance stats show very clearly that Arriva make a decent fist of the 393 with good EWT stats and little lost mileage. Provided the running time was properly allocated a short run on to Hackney Central is not going to break the bank - especially given you say there are no traffic jams ever. What's the issue? Don't garage journeys already run on beyond Clapton Pond to Clapton or Ash Grove? The bus network is not designed so that every route is duplicated just in case one route has delays. It would be lovely if it could be but there is no money for that. |
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Post by 52000 on Jan 18, 2013 14:14:29 GMT
What about sending the 253 along Cricklefield & Pembury Rds? Then either to the W15 stands or down Dalston ln and Mare St.
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Post by marlon101 on Jan 18, 2013 21:19:12 GMT
@ those thinking of express services : yes, very much needed imo! The 726 is still much missed, and some sort of recreation of the old Green Line network, taking into account rail services and suchlike, would, I feel, be a great asset to the TfL network. I unfortunately beg to differ. From this way I can't think of anyone missing a clear run to Croydon. Would it be that people that way want/need to make their way around towards Bexley/Dartford and beyond? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 18, 2013 22:30:56 GMT
@ those thinking of express services : yes, very much needed imo! The 726 is still much missed, and some sort of recreation of the old Green Line network, taking into account rail services and suchlike, would, I feel, be a great asset to the TfL network. I unfortunately beg to differ. From this way I can't think of anyone missing a clear run to Croydon. I can think of someone : me ;D But I digress : I wasn't just thinking of the former 726, I was thinking of other possibilities for orbital routes both north and south of the river, and express routes from Central London out to areas ill-served by rail (and there's a few of those)... |
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Post by marlon101 on Jan 19, 2013 20:55:31 GMT
I unfortunately beg to differ. From this way I can't think of anyone missing a clear run to Croydon. I can think of someone : me ;D But I digress : I wasn't just thinking of the former 726, I was thinking of other possibilities for orbital routes both north and south of the river, and express routes from Central London out to areas ill-served by rail (and there's a few of those)... Definitely but given the very narrow waves of passengers around the peaks, the distance, and the fact you'd get few disembarking along the middle of the route I'd imagine the economics are very difficult to balance on a suburban - London express routing though I agree there are plenty of areas with patchy rail service (all being patchy in weather like this!) |
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Post by COBO on Jan 25, 2013 21:01:46 GMT
Route 278
Wood Green to Ealing Broadway
Via Wood Green High Road, Bounds Green Road, Bounds Green Station, Pinkham Way, North Circular Road, Prince Charles Drive, Brent Cross Shopping Centre, Tempelhof Avenue, Tilling Road, North Circular Road, Staples Corner, Neasden, Harrow Road, Point Place, Argenta Way, Stonebridge Park Station, North Circular Road, Hanger Lane Station, Hanger Lane, Ealing Common, Uxbridge Road, The Mall, The Broadway, Spring Bridge Road, Haven Green and Ealing Broadway Station
Every 12mins (Mon-Saturday) and 20 mins (Evenings and Sundays)
10.2m or 10.4m double deckers.
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Post by jay38a on Jan 25, 2013 21:27:26 GMT
Extend the R7 from Aqulia to Chilslehurst Station, however with only 9 mins layover (8 at Orpington and 1 at Aqulia it may be tight).
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Post by snoggle on Jan 25, 2013 23:07:43 GMT
Route 278 Wood Green to Ealing Broadway Via Wood Green High Road, Bounds Green Road, Bounds Green Station, Pinkham Way, North Circular Road, Prince Charles Drive, Brent Cross Shopping Centre, Tempelhof Avenue, Tilling Road, North Circular Road, Staples Corner, Neasden, Harrow Road, Point Place, Argenta Way, Stonebridge Park Station, North Circular Road, Hanger Lane Station, Hanger Lane, Ealing Common, Uxbridge Road, The Mall, The Broadway, Spring Bridge Road, Haven Green and Ealing Broadway Station Every 12mins (Mon-Saturday) and 20 mins (Evenings and Sundays) 10.2m or 10.4m double deckers. I know your route is a bit different to the 112/232 but would it fully / part replace them or be additional? I know patronage is high on the 112/232 but I'm not sure 8 or 9 tph on common sections is justified. Double decks or a modest frequency increase could probably resolve the problems on both services. |
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