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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 25, 2013 23:11:14 GMT
Extend the R7 from Aqulia to Chilslehurst Station, however with only 9 mins layover (8 at Orpington and 1 at Aqulia it may be tight). It's a good idea, but I think it's just that little bit too far to do with the same PVR, sadly. |
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Post by COBO on Jan 25, 2013 23:53:57 GMT
Route 278 Wood Green to Ealing Broadway Via Wood Green High Road, Bounds Green Road, Bounds Green Station, Pinkham Way, North Circular Road, Prince Charles Drive, Brent Cross Shopping Centre, Tempelhof Avenue, Tilling Road, North Circular Road, Staples Corner, Neasden, Harrow Road, Point Place, Argenta Way, Stonebridge Park Station, North Circular Road, Hanger Lane Station, Hanger Lane, Ealing Common, Uxbridge Road, The Mall, The Broadway, Spring Bridge Road, Haven Green and Ealing Broadway Station Every 12mins (Mon-Saturday) and 20 mins (Evenings and Sundays) 10.2m or 10.4m double deckers. I know your route is a bit different to the 112/232 but would it fully / part replace them or be additional? I know patronage is high on the 112/232 but I'm not sure 8 or 9 tph on common sections is justified. Double decks or a modest frequency increase could probably resolve the problems on both services. It would be a addition to 112 / 232 and not a replacement. The reason why I thought of this route was because I was thinking of a route that linked Ealing with Wood Green and create a direct link between Wood Green and Brent Cross. It doesn't have to run every 12mins but maybe every 30 mins. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 15:18:19 GMT
How about a X37 limited stop service from Peckham to Heathrow following roughly, but not exactly, the 37,337 and H37 routes?
It would obviously need to avoid the low bridge at Isleworth for double deckers to be used but that shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by COBO on Jan 29, 2013 1:36:56 GMT
Route 301
From Richmond Station to Harrow St George's
via The Quadrant, The Square, Eton Street, Paradise Road, Church Terrace, Wakefield Road, Richmond Bus Station, Lewis Road, Red Lion Street, Hill Street, Richmond Bridge, Richmond Road, York Street, Twickenham, King Street, Heath Road, The Green, Staines Road, Twickenham Road, Hanworth, Hampton Road West, Uxbridge Road, Hanworth Road, Feltham Station, Hounslow Road, Harlington Road West, North Feltham, cigaretteg's Road, Hatton Road South, Southern Perimeter Road, Hatton Cross Station, Southern Perimeter Road, Cranford Lane, Envoy Avenue, Eastern Perimeter Road, Northern Perimeter Road, Hatton Road North, Harlington Corner, Harlington High Street, Station Road, Hayes & Harlington Station, Crown Close, Pump Lane, Coldharbour Lane, Yeading Lane, Yeading, Church Road, Mandeville Road, Northolt Station, Mandeville Road, Petts Hill, Northolt Park Station, Northolt Road, South Harrow Station, Northolt Road, Lower Road, Bessborough Road, College Road and Headstone Road.
Every 15 minutes (Monday to Saturday) and every 30 mins (Evenings and Sundays)
10.2m Enviro400s
Route 301 would be addition to the 90 and 490, bring back a old link between Richmond and Northolt, link Richmond with Harrow and to relieve the busy 140.
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Post by DLA 365 on Jan 29, 2013 1:53:42 GMT
I agree the 140 is too long for those who want to just get to and from Heathrow Airport. I suggest therefore an X40 from Harrow Bus station, calling at South Harrow Station (via the H9/10 direct route), Northolt Park station, Northolt Station, Yeading White Hart, direct via A312 to Hayes and Harlington Station, and then non-stop to Heathrow Central and to terminate at Heathrow Terminal 5.
Reasoning: The Heathrow Connect doesn't allow travelcards beyond Hayes because of a funding agreement with BAA. Passengers are chucked out here with only the all-stop 140 to get them to and from the airport.
The 90 provides sufficient capacity between Northolt, Hayes Grapes and Hayes & Harlington so the new X40 can use the motorway style road to by-pass this section.
The bus link between Heathrow Central and T5 is fairly irregular, and the Heathrow Express service is only every 15 minutes. An additional link would provide a useful supplementary link for those interchanging at the bus station.
Frequency: Every 20 minutes daily between 06:00 and 20:00. Half hourly early mornings and evenings.
Vehicle type: 12-metre single deckers with luggage racks
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Post by snowman on Jan 29, 2013 7:46:43 GMT
Route 301 From Richmond Station to Harrow St George'svia The Quadrant, The Square, Eton Street, Paradise Road, Church Terrace, Wakefield Road, Richmond Bus Station, Lewis Road, Red Lion Street, Hill Street, Richmond Bridge, Richmond Road, York Street, Twickenham, King Street, Heath Road, The Green, Staines Road, Twickenham Road, Hanworth, Hampton Road West, Uxbridge Road, Hanworth Road, Feltham Station, Hounslow Road, Harlington Road West, North Feltham, cigaretteg's Road, Hatton Road South, Southern Perimeter Road, Hatton Cross Station, Southern Perimeter Road, Cranford Lane, Envoy Avenue, Eastern Perimeter Road, Northern Perimeter Road, Hatton Road North, Harlington Corner, Harlington High Street, Station Road, Hayes & Harlington Station, Crown Close, Pump Lane, Coldharbour Lane, Yeading Lane, Yeading, Church Road, Mandeville Road, Northolt Station, Mandeville Road, Petts Hill, Northolt Park Station, Northolt Road, South Harrow Station, Northolt Road, Lower Road, Bessborough Road, College Road and Headstone Road. Every 15 minutes (Monday to Saturday) and every 30 mins (Evenings and Sundays) 10.2m Enviro400s Route 301 would be addition to the 90 and 490, bring back a old link between Richmond and Northolt, link Richmond with Harrow and to relieve the busy 140. One problem, the weight limit on Richmond bridge. I think double deckers are limited to about 50 passengers which is why they are only used in service at night across that bridge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 8:57:06 GMT
Any weight limit refers to the maximum weight of any bus or lorry can carry, it makes no difference how many passengers are on board
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Post by M1104 on Jan 29, 2013 11:52:24 GMT
How about a X37 limited stop service from Peckham to Heathrow following roughly, but not exactly, the 37,337 and H37 routes? It would obviously need to avoid the low bridge at Isleworth for double deckers to be used but that shouldn't be a problem. Or how about an express route service between Heathrow and Wimbledon (obviously via Kingston) during the tennis, the X131. |
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Post by snowman on Jan 29, 2013 13:12:11 GMT
Any weight limit refers to the maximum weight of any bus or lorry can carry, it makes no difference how many passengers are on board I think you are wrong, as it is a max gross vehicle weight due to weak structure, (not a cargo weight) or an advisory (like a 7.5t except for loading). The bridge is old and not designed for modern vehicles. The Traffic commissioners would never permit a bus that could be 18t loaded to be scheduled over a bridge with a lower weight limit. I do accept that the actual number of passengers would depend on size of each passenger |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 15:37:14 GMT
Any weight limit refers to the maximum weight of any bus or lorry can carry, it makes no difference how many passengers are on board I think you are wrong, as it is a max gross vehicle weight due to weak structure, (not a cargo weight) or an advisory (like a 7.5t except for loading). The bridge is old and not designed for modern vehicles. The Traffic commissioners would never permit a bus that could be 18t loaded to be scheduled over a bridge with a lower weight limit. I do accept that the actual number of passengers would depend on size of each passenger In a nutshell a bus or lorry or any other vehicle is either allowed across a bridge or it isn't, the load it has on at the time is irrelevant. This means any enforcement can be done at the scene without the need to go to a weighbridge, it would be impossible on a bus anyway as passengers would get off. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 18:36:53 GMT
Some of the best suggestions for new routes should by chosen for the forum Admin Team and forwarded to TFL for consideration. It would be interesting to see if any of the suggestion would become new TFL bus routes in the future. Some very good suggestions. Like the Clapham Junction to Lewisham Suggestion and also the D9 another cross river bus service.
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Post by beaver14uk on Feb 1, 2013 19:01:59 GMT
Sounds like a good idea to maybe carry out our own evaluation. Some of the best suggestions for new routes should by chosen for the forum Admin Team and forwarded to TFL for consideration. It would be interesting to see if any of the suggestion would become new TFL bus routes in the future. Some very good suggestions. Like the Clapham Junction to Lewisham Suggestion and also the D9 another cross river bus service. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 1, 2013 19:08:07 GMT
Some of the best suggestions for new routes should by chosen for the forum Admin Team and forwarded to TFL for consideration. It would be interesting to see if any of the suggestion would become new TFL bus routes in the future. Some very good suggestions. Like the Clapham Junction to Lewisham Suggestion and also the D9 another cross river bus service. Sounds like a good idea to maybe carry out our own evaluation. How would that evaluation be done? I agree there have been some interesting proposals - mostly for orbital services but also some of the infills to reinstate links between major centres - and it would be good to send them on to TfL. That was a sort of sub plot to me asking the original question - depending on how good the answers were.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 21:57:45 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Feb 3, 2013 4:42:11 GMT
Whats the need to change the 137 number to 150? I personally thinks thats not a wise move as the 137 number has been used in the area for years likewise the 150 number in the Ilford area. The 50 extension is good as it creates new links but reliabilty could become a problem as it would make very lengthy but it's a good suggestion none the less |
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