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Post by DT 11 on Feb 3, 2013 9:43:21 GMT
Whats the need to change the 137 number to 150? I personally thinks thats not a wise move as the 137 number has been used in the area for years likewise the 150 number in the Ilford area. The 50 extension is good as it creates new links but reliabilty could become a problem as it would make very lengthy but it's a good suggestion none the less  Why renumber 2 well known routes? I can't believe I just read that proposal!!! The numbers should remain IMO. That's just as similar as the 87 and 5 merge just to renumber the 77A. Also is that proposal fake??? Seeing as the link is from Flickr. |
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Post by lc1 on Feb 3, 2013 12:21:00 GMT
I am sure that Lewisham will be fit for purpose and we will get the best facility possible. I believe Stagecoach along with all the operators would have had a chance to comment on plans. I certainly think Crystal Palace needs looking at. Utilising places such as Anerley, Elmers End and even the Crooked Billet stand in Penge could all help relieve an under pressure stand Speaking of under pressure stands, a notice in the output tells us of preliminary work ongoing at Lewisham with the aim of completely overhauling the road network there and also providing a new bus station in the Thurston Road area. If you could Beaver can you put a word in and make sure this one is big enough? ;D ;D Perhaps the plans could be sent to BX seeing as we use the station also  |
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Post by lc1 on Feb 3, 2013 12:30:16 GMT
Sending the 89 via a double road to QE is a no no as it would get murdered in traffic in Stadium Road, however I would divert the N89 via that routing...I think a new route is the best idea..how about instead of the 122 route, direct via Lewisham Road, Blackheath Hill, Shooters Hill to QE or on to Woolwich.
The 486 to Crayford has long been discussed (at least at Bexley Council)
We've said (BX night drivers) ever since the N21 got re-routed that the 321 needs to be extended to at least London Bridge of a night to assist with loadings especially at weekends....the problem is the frequency of the N21 at weekends was reduced between Trafalgar Square and New Cross and we was already pretty much filling every bus over that stretch as it was.
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Post by lc1 on Feb 3, 2013 13:03:50 GMT
Sending the 89 via a double road to QE is a no no as it would get murdered in traffic in Stadium Road, however I would divert the N89 via that routing...I think a new route is the best idea..how about instead of the 122 route, direct via Lewisham Road, Blackheath Hill, Shooters Hill to QE or on to Woolwich. The 486 to Crayford has long been discussed (at least at Bexley Council) We've said (BX night drivers) ever since the N21 got re-routed that the 321 needs to be extended to at least London Bridge of a night to assist with loadings especially at weekends....the problem is the frequency of the N21 at weekends was reduced between Trafalgar Square and New Cross and we was already pretty much filling every bus over that stretch as it was. You could probably get away with not creating a new route, and diverting the actual 122. That'd link Forest Hill etc. to QE Hospital, and then something else could be extended over the Academy Road section of the 122 (the 126, perhaps?) I'd always thought the 401 to Crayford wouldn't be a bad idea. Fairly short end-to-end running time, and it'd link Thamesmead to Crayford. I'd be loathe to divert the 122 for the same reasons as diverting the 89, the traffic really is bad in Stadium Road in the evening Rush Hour. An extension of the 401 probably isn't a bad idea, take some of the pressure away on stand space at Bexleyheath. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 15:57:20 GMT
I also do not see any reason for renumbering the 137. But I would really like to see that extension as the route does not really serve Streatham, just the very edge of it. Unless TfL offer free bus transfers like they do on rail services it is expensive paying £1.40 just to get to Telford avenue to change and pay again. But I feel that TfL would not want more bus routes on the High Road. The same problem exists with the 59, which would also provide very useful new links from central Streatham. Personally I would be very happy with a compromise where buses on two or all three routes (59, 137, 159) alternate between being Telford Avenue and Streatham Station services. That way the High Road gets access to a more varied number of destinations without a significant increase to traffic. The 159 is currently frequent enough that even curtailing some at Telford Avenue you would not have to wait too long. It should also help operationally by preventing the need for driver changes on the 159 mid-journey. Sadly TfL also seem to be against staggered services like that, even though a similar thing used to work for the N159. I definitely think the 50 should be extended to Vauxhall, not sure I see the benefit of the extension to Pimlico but have no problem with it. It would be long but about the same length as the 25. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 16:15:50 GMT
I definitely think the 50 should be extended to Vauxhall, not sure I see the benefit of the extension to Pimlico but have no problem with it. It would be long but about the same length as the 25. It would be around the same length, or slightly shorter than the 468, which copes well, despite traffic around Walworth Road and Norwood Road. Apart from London Road/Streatham High Road and the roadworks in Thornton Heath, traffic isn't really an issue on the 50. |
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Post by John tuthill on Feb 3, 2013 16:27:54 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Feb 3, 2013 18:52:53 GMT
I definitely think the 50 should be extended to Vauxhall, not sure I see the benefit of the extension to Pimlico but have no problem with it. It would be long but about the same length as the 25. It would be around the same length, or slightly shorter than the 468, which copes well, despite traffic around Walworth Road and Norwood Road. Apart from London Road/Streatham High Road and the roadworks in Thornton Heath, traffic isn't really an issue on the 50. Clapham High Street is another problem which regularly becomes congested as Poynders Road & Cavendish Road on the South Circular (A205). With the 468, Walworth Road is only problem where the humped part is at East Street, the rest of the road is quite open. The 468 also has the added luxury of using a less used route to Croydon as apart from Norwood Road which is congested only sometimes, it avoids most traffic. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of it serving Vauxhall and beyond but if it affects reliability at the other end........... |
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 3, 2013 19:54:12 GMT
I definatly think the (N)321 should be extended to central London. The N21 used to run to Eltham every 15 mins and every 30 to Foots Cray so a combined 30 mins on the N21 and (N)321 would be good and would restore a C London night link to N Eltham and Sidcup. Maybe it could go a different routeing say via Elephant and Lambeth North which I think would be a bit quicker anyway.
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Post by lc1 on Feb 3, 2013 20:36:39 GMT
I definatly think the (N)321 should be extended to central London. The N21 used to run to Eltham every 15 mins and every 30 to Foots Cray so a combined 30 mins on the N21 and (N)321 would be good and would restore a C London night link to N Eltham and Sidcup. Maybe it could go a different routeing say via Elephant and Lambeth North which I think would be a bit quicker anyway. It only had those frequencies at weekends...knowing the loadings and the amount of people being left behind at London Bridge I'd say it should definitely go to at leastLondon Bridge. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 10:34:07 GMT
I definitely think the 50 should be extended to Vauxhall, not sure I see the benefit of the extension to Pimlico but have no problem with it. It would be long but about the same length as the 25. Go back to the mid 50's, it went to Victoria, from Addiscombe(The Blacj Horse) [/quote] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I remember the 50 to Addiscombe Black Horse, a pub long since demolished, oh for the days of proper bus routes that actually went more than a few miles down the road. |
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Post by COBO on Mar 27, 2013 14:12:39 GMT
Route 495 From Hayes & Harlington Station to Wembley Central Via: - Station Road
- North Hyde Road
- Hayes Road
- Bulls Bridge Tesco
- Western Road
- King Street
- The Green
- Southall Station
- South Road
- High Street
- Southall Town Hall
- Uxbridge Road
- Greenford Road
- Greenford Red Lion
- Rockware Avenue
- Greenford Station
- Oldfield Lane North
- Greenford Road
- Whitton Avenue East
- Sudbury Town Station
- Bridgewater Road
- Ealing Road
- Alperton Station
Running every 20 minutes (Monday to Saturday) and every 30 minutes (Sunday & Evenings) Using 10.2 & 10.4m Double deckers The 495 will provide a new link between Hayes & Southall with Alperton & Wembley and provide a additional capacity for route 195. |
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Post by COBO on Mar 27, 2013 15:20:16 GMT
Route 218 From Harrow Bus Station to Putney Bridge Station Via: - College Road
- Station Road
- Kenton Road
- Watford Road
- Northwick Park Hospital
- Harrow Road
- Sudbury & Harrow Road Station
- High Road
- Wembley Central
- Harrow Road
- Stonebridge Park
- Brentside
- Hillside
- Craven Park
- Manor Park Road
- Harlesden
- Harlesden High Street
- Harrow Road
- Scrubs Lane
- Wood Lane
- White City Station
- Shepherds Bush Green
- Shepherds Bush Road
- Hammersmith Bus Station
- Fulham Palace Road
Runs every 10 mins (Mon-Sat) and 12 mins (Sunday & evenings). Using double deckers. Route 218 would provide Harrow, Sudbury and Wembley a link with Hammersmith, White City and Shepherd's Bush. And to provide relief for routes 18, 182 and 220. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 19:24:36 GMT
With regard to another bus service for the Queen Elizabeth Hospital from the Lewisham area if the Lewisham Hospital A & E Department is down graded. I would suggest re-extending the 291 back to Lewisham like it did in the 1980's and it's predecessor the 192 did for many many years. Via Shooters Hill Road, Kidbrooke Park Road and Lee Green. As stand space is tight in the Lewisham area it could be extended to Catford (Rushey Green) or Catford Bus Garage via Lewisham Hospital's main entrance on Lewisham High Street.
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Post by IanF on Mar 27, 2013 19:29:38 GMT
With regard to another bus service for the Queen Elizabeth Hospital from the Lewisham area if the Lewisham Hospital A & E Department is down graded. I would suggest re-extending the 291 back to Lewisham like it did in the 1980's and it's predecessor the 192 did for many many years. Via Shooters Hill Road, Kidbrooke Park Road and Lee Green. As stand space is tight in the Lewisham area it could be extended to Catford (Rushey Green) or Catford Bus Garage via Lewisham Hospital's main entrance on Lewisham High Street. Extending the 291 to Catford would be a bad idea the traffic there is pathetic at times and would muck up the service. |
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