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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2013 21:41:20 GMT
Some suggestions from me Cross rail connections 487 Extended Willesdon Junction to Acton Main Line Station 428 extended Erith to Abbey Wood U8 New route Uxbridge, Cowley, Iver, Iver Station, Poyle, Colnbrook, Longford, Heathrow Central. Others ... N3 diverted at Croydon Road to run to Croydon via the 75 N176 extended from Penge to Bromley via former N3 289 Extended Elmers End to Anerley Station 358 24 hour service introduced. 432 Extended Anerley Station to Norwood Junction 492 Extended non stop from Bluewater to Ebbsfleet International. 505 New Red arrow service , London Bridge station to Oxford circus via Moorgate, Barbican, Clerkenwell Road, rt 55 to Oxford Circus. TfL would never pay for a service right down to Ebbsfleet - personally, the 492 should remain as it is As for your 432 suggestion, the 157 already does Anerley to Norwood Junction & the 410 goes quite near Anerley too and also serves Norwood Junction. It would be better to extend the 432 from Anerley to Elmers End via Birkbeck giving Crystal Palace a direct link with Elmers End and allows for Tramlink users to get further northwards without changing. I'd also extend over the 415 to Elephant & Castle and withdraw the 415. This would also cover your 289 suggestion but do much more. Your two night bus suggestions are good but I'd leave the N3 as it is as its long established in the role it provides. The N176 can then run from Penge to Croydon via the 75. I'd also agree with making the 358 24 hours. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 10, 2013 22:46:10 GMT
TfL would never pay for a service right down to Ebbsfleet - personally, the 492 should remain as it is I'm not so sure - they fund 3 services to Bluewater, one of them stopping - Ebbsfleet is just 10 minutes from Bluewater. I can't see the argument for duplicating a frequent, commercially operated service (Fastrack A) beyond Bluewater to Ebbsfleet. TfL has far better uses of its funds *inside* London. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 10, 2013 23:00:53 GMT
Perhaps a new bus route from London Bridge to Victoria via the West End? The only route towards the City from Victoria is the 11. There was one when the 10 went from Victoria to Wanstead via London Bridge. Is there any bus route from the east which terminates at London Bridge these days, which could be extended to Victoria via the Borough. I ask as I don't go up to that part of town anymore The one route I would consider is the 343. Cut it back from City Hall, loop it round London Bridge bus station and send it down Southwark Street, Blackfriars Bridge, Ludgate Circus, Fleet St, Aldwych, Holborn, TCR Stn (terminus). There are two problems - one is the high peak frequency making an extension costly. The second is stand space at TCR now and into the future. Perhaps an alternative would be a new service from say Peckham over the 343 then 42 to City Hall then 381 to Blackfriars Bridge and as per my above proposal with perhaps a sneaky extension to Oxford Circus? Frequency would be say x10 peaks, x12 off peak, x15 evenings and Sundays. Creates several new links, relieves some known hot spots and is perhaps more manageable in terms of resources and stand space? |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Apr 11, 2013 11:31:20 GMT
Personally I'd extend the 9 to London Bridge if there was a new opportunity to create new links etc. Over Waterloo Bridge then onto London Bridge via Southwark Street. Not a bad idea. Only trouble is, no link to Victoria or Oxford Circus  Red Arrow 511 Oxford Circus then as route 12 to Parlinment Square, then via 24 to Victoria, 507 to Waterloo then as 381 to London Bridge |
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Post by jay38a on Apr 12, 2013 0:51:49 GMT
I can't see the argument for duplicating a frequent, commercially operated service (Fastrack A) beyond Bluewater to Ebbsfleet. TfL has far better uses of its funds *inside* London. No, I agree. Just saying, it wouldn't be totally out of the question in any situation. Of course, at the moment it would be pointless. Could extend it direct via the A2, but then your be duplicating the 499 from Bluewater, however also it would give Stone a link to Ebbsfleet it doesn't have at the moment aswell as parts of London. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards |
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Post by Connor on Apr 13, 2013 14:24:08 GMT
Route 289 From Purley Station to Camberwell Green (11.9 miles) - Purley Station
- Purley Way
- Thornton Heath Pond
- Thornton Heath Station/ High Street
- Whitehorse Lane
- South Norwood Hill
- Church Road
- Crystal Palace Parade
- Fountain Way
- EXPRESS ALONG COLLEGE ROAD
- Dulwich Picture Library
- North Dulwich Station
- Red Post Hill/ Herne Hill Road
- Loughborough Junction Station/ Coldharbour Lane
- Camberwell Green
Running every 20 mins using DLA's from TH. Not sure how the College Road would work, being a toll road & full of snooty people.  |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 13, 2013 15:05:31 GMT
Route 289 From Purley Station to Camberwell Green (11.9 miles) - Purley Station
- Purley Way
- Thornton Heath Pond
- Thornton Heath Station/ High Street
- Whitehorse Lane
- South Norwood Hill
- Church Road
- Crystal Palace Parade
- Fountain Way
- EXPRESS ALONG COLLEGE ROAD
- Dulwich Picture Library
- North Dulwich Station
- Red Post Hill/ Herne Hill Road
- Loughborough Junction Station/ Coldharbour Lane
- Camberwell Green
Running every 20 mins using DLA's from TH. Not sure how the College Road would work, being a toll road & full of snooty people. I believe where the tolls are on College Road, there is a width restriction which would prevent wide vehicles from passing. Also, the Red Post Hill area failed a decker test which 'beaver' mentioned. With this proposal, West Croydon loses one of its 3 unique east to west links & Elmers End loses a link to London Road & Thornton Road. |
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Post by moz on Apr 13, 2013 16:01:23 GMT
There was one when the 10 went from Victoria to Wanstead via London Bridge. Is there any bus route from the east which terminates at London Bridge these days, which could be extended to Victoria via the Borough. I ask as I don't go up to that part of town anymore The one route I would consider is the 343. Cut it back from City Hall, loop it round London Bridge bus station and send it down Southwark Street, Blackfriars Bridge, Ludgate Circus, Fleet St, Aldwych, Holborn, TCR Stn (terminus). There are two problems - one is the high peak frequency making an extension costly. The second is stand space at TCR now and into the future. Perhaps an alternative would be a new service from say Peckham over the 343 then 42 to City Hall then 381 to Blackfriars Bridge and as per my above proposal with perhaps a sneaky extension to Oxford Circus? Frequency would be say x10 peaks, x12 off peak, x15 evenings and Sundays. Creates several new links, relieves some known hot spots and is perhaps more manageable in terms of resources and stand space? The 343 would probably be better off with a cut as it has quite a few standalone sections but then has to contend with heavy city-bound traffic to reach City Hall. Personally I'd chop it back from there to Elephant (using the 363 stand) and cover the northern end with the 363 as far as London Bridge. If stand space is a problem at LB then the 43 or 141 could do the short run down to City Hall stand instead. Moz |
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Post by Connor on Apr 13, 2013 20:36:19 GMT
Route 289 From Purley Station to Camberwell Green (11.9 miles) - Purley Station
- Purley Way
- Thornton Heath Pond
- Thornton Heath Station/ High Street
- Whitehorse Lane
- South Norwood Hill
- Church Road
- Crystal Palace Parade
- Fountain Way
- EXPRESS ALONG COLLEGE ROAD
- Dulwich Picture Library
- North Dulwich Station
- Red Post Hill/ Herne Hill Road
- Loughborough Junction Station/ Coldharbour Lane
- Camberwell Green
Running every 20 mins using DLA's from TH. Not sure how the College Road would work, being a toll road & full of snooty people. I believe where the tolls are on College Road, there is a width restriction which would prevent wide vehicles from passing. Also, the Red Post Hill area failed a decker test which 'beaver' mentioned. With this proposal, West Croydon loses one of its 3 unique east to west links & Elmers End loses a link to London Road & Thornton Road. If the College Road routing can't be done, the 289 could be diverted via South Croxted Road and Alleyn Road (avoiding the low bridge at West Dulwich) into Dulwich Common. Route 54 would be re-extended to Croydon Town Centre/ West Croydon, to serve that part of the current 289 route. As for the Red Post Hill area failing a decker test, I'm not entirely convinced. I've seen many OOS deckers and rail replacement services use that road for a long time now. |
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Post by romfordbuses on Apr 13, 2013 20:44:40 GMT
When will people learn that if a TfL employee says that something can't be done then it can't  |
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Post by Connor on Apr 13, 2013 21:28:33 GMT
When will people learn that if a TfL employee says that something can't be done then it can't Totally OTT rant. Sunray Avenue/Red Post Hill It was agreed that when cars are not parked along the nearside then there is the potential for a bus to hit a tree at several locations on these two streets. LB Southwark said that there is no likelihood of any of the larger boughs being removed from the trees as it is a conservation area and there are tree preservation orders.
An alternative solution would be to install kerb build-outs at the bottom of each tree. This would necessitate removing parking spaces. This will be investigated further.Conclusion Double deck buses are not currently suitable for operation on route 42 due to overhanging trees at Sunray Avenue and Red Post Hill. With the route 42's current overcrowding issues, it appears TFL are keen to find ways to make these roads suitable for double deckers, so to fully convert the 42 to DD's. I think it's likely that the tree issues will be sorted out in the near future, so lets not rule out the possibility of my route 289 proposal just yet...  |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 13, 2013 21:49:16 GMT
When will people learn that if a TfL employee says that something can't be done then it can't Totally OTT rant. Sunray Avenue/Red Post Hill It was agreed that when cars are not parked along the nearside then there is the potential for a bus to hit a tree at several locations on these two streets. LB Southwark said that there is no likelihood of any of the larger boughs being removed from the trees as it is a conservation area and there are tree preservation orders.
An alternative solution would be to install kerb build-outs at the bottom of each tree. This would necessitate removing parking spaces. This will be investigated further.Conclusion Double deck buses are not currently suitable for operation on route 42 due to overhanging trees at Sunray Avenue and Red Post Hill. With the route 42's current overcrowding issues, it appears TFL are keen to find ways to make these roads suitable for double deckers, so to fully convert the 42 to DD's. I think it's likely that the tree issues will be sorted out in the near future, so lets not rule out the possibility of my route 289 proposal just yet... I may be misremembering but I think beaver said that some of the trees that were causing the clearance issue at Red Post Hill had tree preservation orders. This means they cannot be touched which means no solution and no double deckers. Happy to be corrected if my memory is dodgy. |
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Post by Connor on Apr 13, 2013 22:24:43 GMT
I expect the kerb build-outs will be something like what Pepys Road in New Cross Gate has, to prevent the 343 from bashing into the overhanging trees.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 14, 2013 0:03:33 GMT
Personally, the only thing I'd do to the 289 is convert it to deckers and that's it. The link it gives now is unique & vital.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 7:38:17 GMT
Personally, the only thing I'd do to the 289 is convert it to deckers and that's it. The link it gives now is unique & vital. It does need deckers, I'd reroute it to Norwood Junction replacing the 312 and return the 54 to Croydon as mentioned in another thread. |
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