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Post by snoggle on Dec 29, 2012 12:00:02 GMT
Seeing as the thread has mysteriously changed from 'Invent 2 new bus routes' to 'post bus extensions that you'd really like to see implemented' (  ), I thought I'd share some of my ideas. Not that mysterious really. A decent share of the initial responses were for route extensions anyway - not new routes. To keep things going I thought I'd tweak the rules and bow to the inevitable.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 13:02:57 GMT
50 is already quite a long route end to end and whilst extending it to Vauxhall does create new links and is only up the road, it could make the route unreliable. The 118 proposal is a good idea. Your 249 extension misses out an important section - the 35 & 37 corridor which needs an extra route to help it out as both routes get packed to rafters. I know 'PVL371' mentions the 345 but that route is also busy along there. Also, the bus stop that the 249 serves at Clapham Common is only a minutes walk from the station - hardly missing it out. From what I can remember, stand space at St. George's Hospital is pretty full with the three routes that currently terminate there plus Blackshaw Road is a bottleneck for traffic - I've spent ages sitting on a bus there in traffic countless times. However, you might be able to solve that problem if you reversed the loop. Your 417 proposal sounds good but you miss out Clapham Junction - one of the most important places along the route. A simple N19 extension to Streatham Hill Telford Avenue would solve that problem. Apologies, I'm hard to please as many already know ;D The 319 is only route from Clapham Junction to Streatham/ Streatham Hill and is extremely slow most of the time due to traffic pretty much along the whole route. A faster route into Streatham would be much appreciated, this is where our 417 extension would come in handy! Clapham Common is important area, but Clapham Junction is even more important area, what with all the shops, bus routes and the rail station. Why should the extended 417 call at CC when its already well served (by the 50, 137 and 249 to Streatham, the 35, 37 and 345 to Clapham Junction)? |
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Post by M1104 on Dec 29, 2012 13:46:01 GMT
Extend C3 to Balham via Battersea Rise and Clapham South Station, thus giving a direct buslink between the Balham area and Clapham Junction. In my times doing Clapham Junction serving routes i've been often asked how one gets to Balham, back in the 90s it was the 115.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 29, 2012 14:11:19 GMT
A couple of more ideas.
Extend the W19 to Stratford City via Argall Way, Orient Way, Leyton ASDA, Ruckholt Way, Temple Mills Lane, Celebration Av, International Way, Stratford City Bus Stn. Existing vehicles and frequencies.
A new minibus service to run from Ilford via Ilford Hill, Mill Lane, Northbrook Rd, Belgrave Road, Wanstead Park Road, Exeter Gardens, Rochester Gardens, The Drive, St Georges Rd, Cranbrook Rise, Cranbrook Rd, Bramley Cres, Perth Rd, Ley St, Eastern Avenue, Newbury Park Station. Needs narrow bodied Solos or similar, x30 mins, no late evn service. Serves lots of housing that is some distance from other routes.
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Post by jrussa on Dec 29, 2012 15:10:23 GMT
A couple of more ideas. Extend the W19 to Stratford City via Argall Way, Orient Way, Leyton ASDA, Ruckholt Way, Temple Mills Lane, Celebration Av, International Way, Stratford City Bus Stn. Existing vehicles and frequencies. A new minibus service to run from Ilford via Ilford Hill, Mill Lane, Northbrook Rd, Belgrave Road, Wanstead Park Road, Exeter Gardens, Rochester Gardens, The Drive, St Georges Rd, Cranbrook Rise, Cranbrook Rd, Bramley Cres, Perth Rd, Ley St, Eastern Avenue, Newbury Park Station. Needs narrow bodied Solos or similar, x30 mins, no late evn service. Serves lots of housing that is some distance from other routes. Great idea about Route W19!! In regards to your Ilford - Exeter Gardens - Newbury Park Station, why not divert Route 396 to serve the above roads/ streets/ gardens. I have always thought that Routes 396 and 362 should be one route because 1. Both are not long routes. 2. It would provide Ilford passengers with an alternative bus to the Chadwell area. Therefore helping out Route 86 3. Newbury Park will have a connection with Chadwell Heath. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 29, 2012 16:06:29 GMT
A couple of more ideas. Extend the W19 to Stratford City via Argall Way, Orient Way, Leyton ASDA, Ruckholt Way, Temple Mills Lane, Celebration Av, International Way, Stratford City Bus Stn. Existing vehicles and frequencies. A new minibus service to run from Ilford via Ilford Hill, Mill Lane, Northbrook Rd, Belgrave Road, Wanstead Park Road, Exeter Gardens, Rochester Gardens, The Drive, St Georges Rd, Cranbrook Rise, Cranbrook Rd, Bramley Cres, Perth Rd, Ley St, Eastern Avenue, Newbury Park Station. Needs narrow bodied Solos or similar, x30 mins, no late evn service. Serves lots of housing that is some distance from other routes. Great idea about Route W19!! In regards to your Ilford - Exeter Gardens - Newbury Park Station, why not divert Route 396 to serve the above roads/ streets/ gardens. I have always thought that Routes 396 and 362 should be one route because 1. Both are not long routes. 2. It would provide Ilford passengers with an alternative bus to the Chadwell area. Therefore helping out Route 86 3. Newbury Park will have a connection with Chadwell Heath. I deliberately opted for small minibuses because there is a very narrow and low bridge under the rail lines at the Ilford end. A conventional bus would not fit through the gap. I agree that on the face of it the 396 and 362 could be linked. I am not certain how well the 362 loads but it does use somewhat bigger buses than the 396 but I guess that shouldn't cause too many issues. The W19 is the simplest way to get a service down Orient Way and links both sides of Walthamstow Industrial Estate. As the frequency is not high it should keep costs down somewhat. Providing a late evening service to Stratford might be a bit of an issue though. Not sure if it is residents or parking or access through the council depot that stops the evening service down South Access Road. It's actually a bit daft that the W19 doesn't currently run through to Lea Bridge Rd to connect into the 48, 55 and 56. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 29, 2012 17:05:17 GMT
Extend C3 to Balham via Battersea Rise and Clapham South Station, thus giving a direct buslink between the Balham area and Clapham Junction. In my times doing Clapham Junction serving routes i've been often asked how one gets to Balham. back in the 90s it was the 115. I like that idea particularly as not only does it indeed provide new links but also wouldn't make the route too long as its quite short in it's current form. |
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Post by COBO on Dec 29, 2012 20:35:49 GMT
Here are my ideas: - Withdraw the 182 between Brent Cross and Wembley Triangle, reroute it to Shepherd's Bush via the 18 and the 220. To create a link between Harrow with Harlesden, White City and Shepherd's Bush.
- Withdraw the 92 between St Raphael's and Wembley Stadium, reroute it to Brent Cross via the 182 to create a link between Brent Cross and Greenford and convert it to 24 hours to give people of Currey Road, Greenford Road and Tanfield Avenue.
- Extend the 223 from Wembley Central to St Raphael's via the 224, withdraw the 223 between Harrow and Wembley Stadium reroute the 223 to St Raphael's via the 92, extend the 224 from Wembley Stadium to St Raphael's via the 92. I.e converting the 223 and 224 into a circular route, 223 running anticlockwise and the 224 running clockwise.
- Extending the 395 from Harrow to Wembley Central via the 223, to link Wembley with Northolt and to give Northwick Hospital a direct link to South Harrow.
- Double deck the H11 and extend it to Brent Cross via the 183 and 142, to give people in Harrow a direct link to Brent Cross vica versa and to relieve the busy 183.
- Extend the 390 to Acton via the 94 and the 207, to provide Acton with Central London and to relieve the busy 607 and 207.
- Extend the 12 to Notting Hill Gate via the 94, to relieve the busy 94 and 148.
- Discontinue the E10, extend the 395 to Chisick Business Park via Greenford Road, E10, Gunnersbury Avenue, Acton Town Station and Bollo Lane. To link Northolt with Acton Town and Chiswick.
- Extend the E11 to Northolt Islip Manor via the E10.
- Extend the 105 to Wembley Central via the 92, 487 and Ealing Road. To provide Southall and Heathrow with a link with Wembley and Alperton
- Withdraw the N11 between West Ealing and Ealing Broadway and reroute it via the E3 to Greenford Broadway to provide Greenford Avenue with a night service.
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 29, 2012 21:33:56 GMT
Extend the 12 to Notting Hill Gate via the 94, to relieve the busy 94 and 148. I don't know enough about NW London to comment about the rest of your stuff, but that section of road also has route 390. Possibly it's worth pushing the 274 on to Notting Hill Gate from Lancaster Gate, but even that I'm not sure about : adding another route to that section of Oxford Street (the result of extending the 12) is I think not a great idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 21:41:50 GMT
Route 417- diverted to Clapham Junction, at Atkins Road ( via Poynders Road, Clapham South Stn & The Avenue- completely missing out Clapham Common) That would reduce the services on Kings Avenue, halving the number of buses to Clapham Common, and take away the only link to Clapham town centre from Streatham Wells (Leigham Court Road) and the south-eastern parts of Streatham Hill. Also, the bus stop that the 249 serves at Clapham Common is only a minutes walk from the station - hardly missing it out. It also involves crossing a main road. But most passengers do not care how close it gets, to them it does not stop there yet the 50 and 155 do so they catch those instead. And when leaving Clapham Common people use the stop for the 50 and 155 for the same reason. I have never known more than a couple of people to stay on north of Clapham South. Your 417 proposal sounds good but you miss out Clapham Junction - one of the most important places along the route. It is a one minute walk from stops on Battersea Rise, hardly missing it out. Seriously though, it could just as easily be routed via St John's Road and St John's Hill but enough buses already do that that it would simply be adding congestion. For most people who want a bus directly to the station of shops there are alternative routes already so they would not be missing out. But not everyone wants to go to Clapham Junction, yet because of the way all routes have to go down St John's Road only lengthens their journeys. My routing will improve reliability and gives passengers an alternative option. A simple N19 extension to Streatham Hill Telford Avenue would solve that problem. My only question would be whether such a route would be too long? If not then that is a perfect solution, not only adding a night route, but to the west end too. I also have a proposal to extend the 255 to Clapham Park via the 57 but I can't justify sending another double deck route down Brixton Hill. It would give the 255 more purpose though. I am hoping the extension of the 255 to Balham will eventually happen. Although I would switch it with the 315 from St Leonard's so that it instead takes over the section via Garrad's Road and Bedford Hill. The 315 can instead continue up the High Road to Streatham Hill Station, then follow whatever routing can be agreed upon via the Weir Estate to Balham station. The shorter buses would be better suited to the residential streets and it would also remove the need for the right turn at St Leonard's into Gleneldon Road. A faster route into Streatham would be much appreciated, this is where our 417 extension would come in handy! As a bus user in Streatham, though I would welcome a better link to Clapham Junction, I would not appreciate the loss of the 417's fast and convenient link to Clapham Common and to the tube. The 50 is slower and easily prone to being stuck in congestion on the south circular, and serves a different part of the town. |
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Post by COBO on Dec 29, 2012 21:48:44 GMT
Extend the 12 to Notting Hill Gate via the 94, to relieve the busy 94 and 148. I don't know enough about NW London to comment about the rest of your stuff, but that section of road also has route 390. Possibly it's worth pushing the 274 on to Notting Hill Gate from Lancaster Gate, but even that I'm not sure about : adding another route to that section of Oxford Street (the result of extending the 12) is I think not a great idea. Why extend the 274 to Notting Hill Gate? The reason why I said the 12 was to relieve the busy 148 and 94. To stop adding another route to Oxford Circus, I have a idea of rerouteing the 12 via Piccadilly, Hyde Park Corner and Park Lane. |
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Post by jrussa on Dec 30, 2012 0:59:13 GMT
I propose the following:
1. Route 169 should be scrapped!
2. Route 179 should extend to Becontree Heath via Route 150
3. Route 169 should be renumbered 150 and extend to Chigwell Row via Clayhall!
Route 179:
Chingford Station - Woodford Wells - South Woodford - Gants Hill - Ilford - South Park - Goodmayes - Becontree Heath.
Route 150:
Chigwell Row - Hainault - Clayhall - Barkingside - Newbury Park - Ilford - Ilford Lane - Barking
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 30, 2012 4:25:30 GMT
I propose the following: 1. Route 169 should be scrapped! 2. Route 179 should extend to Becontree Heath via Route 150 3. Route 169 should be renumbered 150 and extend to Chigwell Row via Clayhall! Route 179: Chingford Station - Woodford Wells - South Woodford - Gants Hill - Ilford - South Park - Goodmayes - Becontree Heath. Route 150: Chigwell Row - Hainault - Clayhall - Barkingside - Newbury Park - Ilford - Ilford Lane - Barking That's a pretty good idea but why ? As the 169 takes a faster routing between Ilford and Barkingside than the 150 as it misses out Gants hill what routing would it take ? My new idea would be to bring back the old 395 route that used to run through Rotherhithe tunnel except extend it to chrisp street market and then on to Aberfeldy Estate via the 309 routing to provide some new links running every 20 minutes during peaks and 30 off peaks Monday to Saturdays except late evenings so until about 2100 and operated using some specially imported TfL spec Graur Micro buses (brilliant little things have a look on Google ) as even though we have the Jubilee line and Overground I still believe we need more north south bus routes in the east end crossing the thames ! And think in general a couple of shopping hour day routes connecting estate's with supermarket's and the dying fading away markets in London aren't that bad an idea. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 30, 2012 9:48:31 GMT
Extension of the 126 to Woolwich, with an accompanying double-decking. A direct link to Woolwich provided for Bromley and Woolwich rather than a long meandering journey with at least one change. Also takes strain off the 161 between Woolwich and Eltham. This I like. The 126 has been to Woolwich in the recent-ish past, and I feel this would be welcome. I think I'd send the 126 directly up Academy Road in Woolwich Common rather than via QE Hospital to provide a second route there. |
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Post by marlon101 on Dec 30, 2012 10:50:01 GMT
421 : Eltham (Southend Crescent) - Waterloo via Lee Green, Lewisham, New Cross, Old Kent Road and Elephant and Castle. Would relieve some of the pressure on route 321, as well as providing a link to zone 1 from Eltham, and between Lewisham and Elephant. 459 : Thamesmead Town Centre - Bluewater via Bentham Road, Abbey Wood, New Road, Upper Belvedere, Brook Street, Northumberland Heath, Barnehurst, Crayford, Dartford and Darenth Valley Hospital. New links from areas not yet linked to Darenth Valley Hospital and Bluewater. I like both these ideas enormously, but would an extension of the 428 not be a more cost effective way of achieving what you're trying to do with the 459? Linking Lewisham and Elephant seems a particularly key development from this thread. What I have often wondered was whether oyster generates sufficient complete journey/route usage data to publish it and have avid forum-ites trawl through it and suggest where there is significant over-capacity or alternative routings/routes/extensions might be a more efficient allocation of resources. |
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), I thought I'd share some of my ideas.
