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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 12:22:25 GMT
Bear in mind East Dulwich to London Bridge is only 2tph and Denmark Hill is just completely useless. East Dulwich London Bridge is 4tph. Denmark Hill has 2tph to Victoria, 2tph to St Pancras (and beyond), and 4tph on the Overground which includes being able to change for the Northern line at Clapham High Street on the same fare. Ah yes you are right - I missed the West Croydon via Streatham trains that also call at East Dulwich. As for Denmark Hill, even with all those trains getting to the heart of the City is still a pain. I'd forget about Clapham North completely as it's nigh on impossible to get on a train in the morning peak. For all the chopping and changing and waiting for the 4th train you might as well just stick to the 40. |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Mar 20, 2013 23:29:51 GMT
Not sure but I think the 224 is pointless. St Raphael's to Wembley Stadium with a running time of ONE HOUR  . In comparison, the 92 does that journey in about 10 minutes. |
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Post by Hassaan on Mar 20, 2013 23:37:36 GMT
Not sure but I think the 224 is pointless. St Raphael's to Wembley Stadium with a running time of ONE HOUR . In comparison, the 92 does that journey in about 10 minutes. But what would those living in all those side roads do? That's why the route is there. Not to mention the link to Central Middlesex Hospital. I've been on it a couple of times and it is decently used. Running time is so long because there is always loads of traffic in Alperton and Wembley. |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Mar 20, 2013 23:40:13 GMT
Not sure but I think the 224 is pointless. St Raphael's to Wembley Stadium with a running time of ONE HOUR . In comparison, the 92 does that journey in about 10 minutes. But what would those living in all those side roads do? That's why the route is there. Not to mention the link to Central Middlesex Hospital. I've been on it a couple of times and it is decently used. Running time is so long because there is always loads of traffic in Alperton and Wembley. Fair point, similarly in my area, we have 65 and 371 (or the 71 in it's 'original' form), 371 takes about 45-60 mins Richmond-Kingston, whereas the 65 takes only 15-20. |
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Post by Hassaan on Mar 20, 2013 23:44:26 GMT
But what would those living in all those side roads do? That's why the route is there. Not to mention the link to Central Middlesex Hospital. I've been on it a couple of times and it is decently used. Running time is so long because there is always loads of traffic in Alperton and Wembley. Fair point, similarly in my area, we have 65 and 371 (or the 71 in it's 'original' form), 371 takes about 45-60 mins Richmond-Kingston, whereas the 65 takes only 15-20. Indeed. I actually made that 65/371 mistake once, when I was in a hurry as well  . One anomaly is the E5, that has Mini E200's, is quicker than the double deck 105 between Greenford Broadway and their common section in Southall (although driver changeover makes the difference negligible) |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Mar 21, 2013 0:06:03 GMT
Fair point, similarly in my area, we have 65 and 371 (or the 71 in it's 'original' form), 371 takes about 45-60 mins Richmond-Kingston, whereas the 65 takes only 15-20. Indeed. I actually made that 65/371 mistake once, when I was in a hurry as well . One anomaly is the E5, that has Mini E200's, is quicker than the double deck 105 between Greenford Broadway and their common section in Southall (although driver changeover makes the difference negligible) Me too! I wanted to try out a HDE at the time! If I knew the E5 was quicker, I could have gotten ADE22  (got on a DML on the 95, then stopped randomly in Greenford Broadway (I don't think it was a changeover), got on a VW behind it on the 105, and missed ADE2, therefore just missing SP174 on the 111 (again)  (ended up on ADE41 instead though  , so all was not lost on the downside got on an 09 SP; SP48, must say not the worst 09 plate I've been on-that has to be 58-reg SP38!) |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Mar 21, 2013 0:14:24 GMT
But what would those living in all those side roads do? That's why the route is there. Not to mention the link to Central Middlesex Hospital. I've been on it a couple of times and it is decently used. Running time is so long because there is always loads of traffic in Alperton and Wembley. Yes, those backroads are generally consistent with the TFL objective of getting nobody more than 10-15 minutes or so away from a bus route, hence routes like that which go round every backroad in the area (the 336 is the classic one over here, covering just about every road in Bellingham and Downham) I caught a 367 once from Elmers End to Bromley North. Took an absolute age! These higher (or often letter-prefix) numbered 'hoppa' buses are often as long in some cases as double deck counterparts, yet have single decks on them. There are countless more examples of these, such as the K-routes in Kingston, H-routes in Hounslow and Orpington's former Roundabout network. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2013 2:26:54 GMT
I caught a 367 once from Elmers End to Bromley North. Took an absolute age! These higher (or often letter-prefix) numbered 'hoppa' buses are often as long in some cases as double deck counterparts, yet have single decks on them. There are countless more examples of these, such as the K-routes in Kingston, H-routes in Hounslow and Orpington's former Roundabout network. The 358 is your best bet from Bromley to Elmers End, though that by no means takes a short routing! I took the 367 from Bromley to Croydon once, hoping for a cut-around for the 119. Mistake! Some of the backroad routes seem to be rather lightly used, low-cost, local links sort of routes - the 367 appears to be like that, and simply patches together a few links across Bromley and Croydon. The R-route network in Orpington is another one, which is made up of lots of routes often only 15-20 minutes end-to-end running simply as little local services carrying almost entirely locals to the roads they serve. Then there's the other routes, especially prefixed ones, which have origins in those sorts of routes but have evolved into, essentially, trunk routes. The P-routes (or what's left of them) are prime examples of that, especially the P4. One P-route became the 381, which is now a popular double-deck service. In the case of most of these routes double decks aren't possible, so they end up taking the role of long busy trunk routes but are stifled with midibuses. Often I find with these sorts of routes is they carry loads of people in the peaks, then very, very few people in the day. The 367 bucks that trend in that its busy most of the time. ' londonbusboy' is the best person to comment on that route as he lives on it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 10:03:04 GMT
The 367 bucks that trend in that its busy most of the time. ' londonbusboy' is the best person to comment on that route as he lives on it. When I used to use the 367 as a cut-around to Croydon from Bromley (couldn't stand the 119) I noticed a lot of people were going fairly short distances. On Croydon bound journies people will often get off at Shirley Library and get a 119 194 or 198 which will get them to Croydon much quicker |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 10:11:30 GMT
But what would those living in all those side roads do? That's why the route is there. Not to mention the link to Central Middlesex Hospital. I've been on it a couple of times and it is decently used. Running time is so long because there is always loads of traffic in Alperton and Wembley. Fair point, similarly in my area, we have 65 and 371 (or the 71 in it's 'original' form), 371 takes about 45-60 mins Richmond-Kingston, whereas the 65 takes only 15-20. The time difference between the 65 and 371 isn't that great between Richmond and Kingston, as with the 358 and 367 between Bromley South and Elmers End I'd get whatever arrived first. |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Mar 21, 2013 17:04:22 GMT
I dont see a lot of point to the 452, or even the 425
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2013 20:21:55 GMT
I dont see a lot of point to the 452, or even the 425 The 452 links the Wandsworth Road to Sloane Square section with North West London, what other route goes in the same direction? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 11:43:55 GMT
I dont see a lot of point to the 452, or even the 425 The 452 links the Wandsworth Road to Sloane Square section with North West London, what other route goes in the same direction? The left turn at Knightsbridge is the only unique bit, the rest is largely covered by the 52 and 137. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2013 12:46:08 GMT
The 452 links the Wandsworth Road to Sloane Square section with North West London, what other route goes in the same direction? The left turn at Knightsbridge is the only unique bit, the rest is largely covered by the 52 and 137. The right turn from Wandsworth Road to Queenstown Road is also a unique section. Whilst the rest is indeed largely covered by the 52 & 137, it's the only link from that part of South London up to Kensington & Kensal Rise. Helping out the 52 & 137 isn't a bad thing either. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 12:50:54 GMT
The left turn at Knightsbridge is the only unique bit, the rest is largely covered by the 52 and 137. The right turn from Wandsworth Road to Queenstown Road is also a unique section. Whilst the rest is indeed largely covered by the 52 & 137, it's the only link from that part of South London up to Kensington & Kensal Rise. Helping out the 52 & 137 isn't a bad thing either. But the 52 and 137 were reduced when the 452 was introduced. Was it worth it? I don't think so. |
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. In comparison, the 92 does that journey in about 10 minutes.
. One anomaly is the E5, that has Mini E200's, is quicker than the double deck 105 between Greenford Broadway and their common section in Southall (although driver changeover makes the difference negligible)
(got on a DML on the 95, then stopped randomly in Greenford Broadway (I don't think it was a changeover), got on a VW behind it on the 105, and missed ADE2, therefore just missing SP174 on the 111 (again) 
(ended up on ADE41 instead though 
, so all was not lost on the downside got on an 09 SP; SP48, must say not the worst 09 plate I've been on-that has to be 58-reg SP38!)
