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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2013 12:55:37 GMT
The right turn from Wandsworth Road to Queenstown Road is also a unique section. Whilst the rest is indeed largely covered by the 52 & 137, it's the only link from that part of South London up to Kensington & Kensal Rise. Helping out the 52 & 137 isn't a bad thing either. But the 52 and 137 were reduced when the 452 was introduced. Was it worth it? I don't think so. It's always worth it when a brand new link is created. |
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Post by M1104 on Mar 23, 2013 13:05:02 GMT
A short extension to Vauxhall would create links to bus routes that go deeper into South East London, baring in mind there's the Overground at Wandsworth Road.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Mar 23, 2013 13:57:31 GMT
The right turn from Wandsworth Road to Queenstown Road is also a unique section. Whilst the rest is indeed largely covered by the 52 & 137, it's the only link from that part of South London up to Kensington & Kensal Rise. Helping out the 52 & 137 isn't a bad thing either. But the 52 and 137 were reduced when the 452 was introduced. Was it worth it? I don't think so. Surely the 52 and 452 would mean that capacity on the core Kensal Rise-Knightsbridge section is increased overall. Plus it provides more links to inner South London and inner North West London. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 23, 2013 16:35:52 GMT
I dont see a lot of point to the 452, or even the 425 These routes are regularly trotted out as being a bit pointless. To my mind the 425 is there to provide relief to the 25 and 277 and remove the need for people to cross busy roads at Mile End to make the connection between services. It also gives extra capacity from Stratford to Homerton Hospital to part relieve the 276. The 452 is perhaps slightly less justified but if it takes pressure off the most heavily loaded sections of the 52 and 137 as well as giving the "round the corner" link then it is probably justified. Not every route has to run at max capacity all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 22:41:09 GMT
Thing is with the 452 buses are often half empty whilst the 52 and 137 are packed
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Post by wh541 on Mar 23, 2013 22:42:56 GMT
I dont see a lot of point to the 452, or even the 425 These routes are regularly trotted out as being a bit pointless. To my mind the 425 is there to provide relief to the 25 and 277 and remove the need for people to cross busy roads at Mile End to make the connection between services. It also gives extra capacity from Stratford to Homerton Hospital to part relieve the 276. The 452 is perhaps slightly less justified but if it takes pressure off the most heavily loaded sections of the 52 and 137 as well as giving the "round the corner" link then it is probably justified. Not every route has to run at max capacity all the time. Has the 425 got any busier in the 5 years it has been running? does it really need to be double decker? |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 24, 2013 2:41:10 GMT
Thing is with the 452 buses are often half empty whilst the 52 and 137 are packed Then timings need to be altered - I've done the 452 end to end and it was busy. I think someone mentioned earlier on in the thread that are extrememly few pointless routes in London. I, myself, can only think of the 415 as a pointless route. |
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Post by Steve80 on Mar 24, 2013 4:18:19 GMT
These routes are regularly trotted out as being a bit pointless. To my mind the 425 is there to provide relief to the 25 and 277 and remove the need for people to cross busy roads at Mile End to make the connection between services. It also gives extra capacity from Stratford to Homerton Hospital to part relieve the 276. The 452 is perhaps slightly less justified but if it takes pressure off the most heavily loaded sections of the 52 and 137 as well as giving the "round the corner" link then it is probably justified. Not every route has to run at max capacity all the time. Has the 425 got any busier in the 5 years it has been running? does it really need to be double decker? I drove the 452 many times and its a busy route. Ladbroke grove to notting hill and kensington, and then from knightsbridge and sloane square to battersea park. These destinations I pick up the most. From wandsworth road, you gradually pick up till sloane square station where you drop the most but then at the next stop you can pick lots up there till knightsbridge. Then you get plenty tourists from there to kensington and then at notting hill you fill up again. I only driven the route between 3pm-1am and only between february and november last year. Whats its like during the other times I do not know. Slightly random but my general feeling is that my bus still seems busy enough even if a 137 is in front of me. If the 52 is in front then its not as busy. |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Mar 24, 2013 18:23:39 GMT
Thing is with the 452 buses are often half empty whilst the 52 and 137 are packed The 52 and 137 go more central than the 452 goes, and those people are likely wanting to go to somewhere like Victoria or Oxford Street. Fewer people are prepared to change buses, especially during the winter months or if they use a PAYG Oyster (and don't intend to use daily price capping) I cought a 371 at two o'clock on Tuesday, and it was rather fully loaded. Only two or three obscure seats at the back were vacant, and I stood the whole time I was on it. Even double decker workings outside school times have decent loadings too. |
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Post by Trident on Mar 24, 2013 20:16:56 GMT
These routes are regularly trotted out as being a bit pointless. To my mind the 425 is there to provide relief to the 25 and 277 and remove the need for people to cross busy roads at Mile End to make the connection between services. It also gives extra capacity from Stratford to Homerton Hospital to part relieve the 276. The 452 is perhaps slightly less justified but if it takes pressure off the most heavily loaded sections of the 52 and 137 as well as giving the "round the corner" link then it is probably justified. Not every route has to run at max capacity all the time. Has the 425 got any busier in the 5 years it has been running? does it really need to be double decker? I think the 425 is busy enough. Every time I use it the loadings are good enough so I cannot see why Single deckers would be required for a route that helps to relieve loadings. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 25, 2013 0:37:02 GMT
Thing is with the 452 buses are often half empty whilst the 52 and 137 are packed The 52 and 137 go more central than the 452 goes, and those people are likely wanting to go to somewhere like Victoria or Oxford Street. Fewer people are prepared to change buses, especially during the winter months or if they use a PAYG Oyster (and don't intend to use daily price capping) I cought a 371 at two o'clock on Tuesday, and it was rather fully loaded. Only two or three obscure seats at the back were vacant, and I stood the whole time I was on it. Even double decker workings outside school times have decent loadings too. That's one of many routes that I've yet to work out why it's still single deck. I used to a lot because of the 51 reg DPS & it takes very heavy loadings. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 16:23:09 GMT
Route 332 - Just a duplicate 16 till it reaches Paddington Green, it stops nowhere near the station at all. You might as well just get the 16 to Edgware Road Station and walk down the road. If anything just extend the 316 back to Brent Park Tesco. I couldn't agree with you more. The 316 was ideal for the communities it served. If the 316 was double-decked then it would have easily dealt with passenger increases and an extension to White City. I imagine the reason the route was split was to provide a Kilburn-Paddington link and to avoid too many traffic hotspots (Neasden occasionally, Kilburn always, Queen's Park occasionally, Shepherd's Bush always), but the Ladbroke Grove/Queen's Park to Neasden/Crest Road link was essential, particularly for the West Indian community across Brent and for shoppers, who are now inconvenienced with a change. Plus the additional buses along Shoot Up Hill and Kilburn High Road really isn't needed. Whilst the 332 keeps the ultimately important Brent Park-Cricklewood and Neasden-Kilburn links, it seems like a waste of money considering the potential of the 16, 98 and 316. In honesty, it is useless between Priory Park Road (the last busy stop) and Paddington. The 16 only stops 5 mins away from St Mary's if that's a valid reason for extension and the one-way system around Paddington means that passengers either have to wait 10-15 mins at the Paddington stand or walk to St Mary's anyway. I would have: a) not extended the 316, and extended the 228 to Kilburn in order to link Shepherd's Bush/Westfield and Ladbroke Grove/Kilburn. b) increased the 232 frequency slightly (to bolster Brent Park-Crest Road frequency) and have extended the 16 to Neasden Library via route 245. c) Ran the whole 316 route from Brent Park to White City. |
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Post by I-Azusio-I on Dec 15, 2013 17:25:47 GMT
I have a few routes in mind for this:
Route 129: Don't see the point of this. People can just get the 188 from Greenwich to North Greenwich and that is much quicker than the 129. The 129 also doesn't get much passengers and runs as usual. Unless 129 gets an extension, to me it is a useless route.
Route 323: That route barely takes anyone aswell. I have seen it a few times and there's only up to 4 and 5 people in the bus. I know it provides a link to Mile End but it just goes round and round carrying sometimes nobody.
IMO, the route should be extended from Canning Town to maybe London City Airport.
Route EL2 (between Thames View and Dagenham Dock): I've been on the route end to end and once the route has dropped people at Thames View Estate, the route barely has anyone in it.
The time I went on it which was last year, there was only 2 people on it which was me and a postman. I think EL2 should be withdrawn and EL1 should remain. The 145 should then be extended to Dagenham Dock if possible.
Route U7: Another route that goes to every single country! It gets a fair amount of passengers but from Hayes Sainsbury's to Uxbridge is only about 10-15 minutes and the U7 just goes round and round the houses just so it can be deemed as a "service". I don't know what the purpose of that route is meant to be and it isn't even frequent!
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 15, 2013 17:53:07 GMT
I have a few routes in mind for this: Route 129: Don't see the point of this. People can just get the 188 from Greenwich to North Greenwich and that is much quicker than the 129. The 129 also doesn't get much passengers and runs as usual. Unless 129 gets an extension, to me it is a useless route. Route 323: That route barely takes anyone aswell. I have seen it a few times and there's only up to 4 and 5 people in the bus. I know it provides a link to Mile End but it just goes round and round carrying sometimes nobody. IMO, the route should be extended from Canning Town to maybe London City Airport. Route EL2 (between Thames View and Dagenham Dock): I've been on the route end to end and once the route has dropped people at Thames View Estate, the route barely anyone in it. The time I went on it which was last year, there was only 2 people on it which was me and a postman. I think EL2 should be withdrawn and EL1 should remain. The 145 should then be extended to Dagenham Dock if possible. Route U7: Another route that goes to every single country! It gets a fair amount of passengers but from Hayes Sainsbury's to Uxbridge is only about 10-15 minutes and the U7 just goes round and round the houses just so it can be deemed as a "service". I don't know what the purpose of that route is meant to be and it isn't even frequent! As Mentioned many of times the 129 is not useless and @mredd made me realise this. The route can actually be carrying heavy loadings even on Double deckers at North Greenwich at times. The 323 serves a lot of Local Businesses and is quite a useful link. |
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Post by I-Azusio-I on Dec 15, 2013 18:00:25 GMT
I have a few routes in mind for this: Route 129: Don't see the point of this. People can just get the 188 from Greenwich to North Greenwich and that is much quicker than the 129. The 129 also doesn't get much passengers and runs as usual. Unless 129 gets an extension, to me it is a useless route. Route 323: That route barely takes anyone aswell. I have seen it a few times and there's only up to 4 and 5 people in the bus. I know it provides a link to Mile End but it just goes round and round carrying sometimes nobody. IMO, the route should be extended from Canning Town to maybe London City Airport. Route EL2 (between Thames View and Dagenham Dock): I've been on the route end to end and once the route has dropped people at Thames View Estate, the route barely anyone in it. The time I went on it which was last year, there was only 2 people on it which was me and a postman. I think EL2 should be withdrawn and EL1 should remain. The 145 should then be extended to Dagenham Dock if possible. Route U7: Another route that goes to every single country! It gets a fair amount of passengers but from Hayes Sainsbury's to Uxbridge is only about 10-15 minutes and the U7 just goes round and round the houses just so it can be deemed as a "service". I don't know what the purpose of that route is meant to be and it isn't even frequent! As Mentioned many of times the 129 is not useless and @mredd made me realise this. The route can actually be carrying heavy loadings even on Double deckers at North Greenwich at times. The 323 serves a lot of Local Businesses and is quite a useful link. But if people are heading towards Greenwich from North Greenwich, I just don't see why they can't take 188 which is quicker than the 129. If people from North Greenwich want to go to Greenwich Peninsula, they can either take 108, 132, 161, 472 or 486 there. That's why I say that 129 is a pointless route because it runs to place where a frequent link could also be provided and is much quicker to get there. It also goes round places that are served with lots of routes and the 129 doesn't relieve overcrowding on any of those routes either. The 188 between Greenwich and North Greenwich isn't overcrowded that much so people who want to get to North Greenwich should use 188 rather than 129. |
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