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Post by snoggle on Dec 24, 2013 19:55:38 GMT
Those who live in those SE London areas from New Cross onwards on the 53 are more likely to use Southeastern then the Northern line from London Bridge to Camden Town than by bus, or travel via North Greenwich station. While slower there are also the DLR from Woolwich into Bank with the Northern Line close by via Canning Town to Jubilee Line. Also the Overground from the New Cross stations up to Highbury and then a simple short ride to Camden Road. I expect Crossrail will be a game changer when it opens from Abbey Wood to Paddington in 2018 (the earliest phase of opening). Extending beyond Paddington happens later because of signalling compatibility issues. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 24, 2013 23:29:43 GMT
Those who live in those SE London areas from New Cross onwards on the 53 are more likely to use Southeastern then the Northern line from London Bridge to Camden Town than by bus, or travel via North Greenwich station. I expect Crossrail will be a game changer when it opens from Abbey Wood to Paddington in 2018 (the earliest phase of opening). Extending beyond Paddington happens later because of signalling compatibility issues. Crossrail should remove the need for Woolwich and Plumstead Common passengers from requiring the bus into central London, considering the route is busiest as it crosses South East London to the nearest tube station at the Elephant and has been shaved off in Central London in recent years, Crossrail could be the conduit to remove the section from Elephant to Whitehall. Those who'd require St. Thomas' Hospital can use the 453 from Deptford Bridge or the 12 or 148 from Elephant. On the other hand, removing the Whitehall part of the 53 would remove the cheapest option of getting into central London for people, especially in Woolwich, Charlton Village and Blackheath. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 25, 2013 8:17:57 GMT
On the other hand, removing the Whitehall part of the 53 would remove the cheapest option of getting into central London for people, especially in Woolwich, Charlton Village and Blackheath. Which is why I think the 53 will be left alone post Crossrail. Indeed, I think there are likely to be more changes in the Abbey Wood area as regards Crossrail than Woolwich. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 8:35:42 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Jan 29, 2014 10:15:40 GMT
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 29, 2014 11:20:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 13:52:14 GMT
On the other hand, removing the Whitehall part of the 53 would remove the cheapest option of getting into central London for people, especially in Woolwich, Charlton Village and Blackheath. Which is why I think the 53 will be left alone post Crossrail. Indeed, I think there are likely to be more changes in the Abbey Wood area as regards Crossrail than Woolwich. Quite... For many, tube and rail travel is simply too expensive. Routes like the 53 give a much cheaper option of travel. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 18:31:49 GMT
Now that we have so must disruption at London Bridge and the Greenwich Line on South Eastern losing our direct link to Charing Cross with these trains now being diverted to Cannon Street. The usage on route 53 may well go up as it will be easier and more cost effective to get the 53 to Whitehall and walk to Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross then having to change trains if travelling from Plumstead, Woolwich and Charlton Village.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 19, 2015 18:45:53 GMT
Now that we have so must disruption at London Bridge and the Greenwich Line on South Eastern losing our direct link to Charing Cross with these trains now being diverted to Cannon Street. The usage on route 53 may well go up as it will be easier and more cost effective to get the 53 to Whitehall and walk to Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross then having to change trains if travelling from Plumstead, Woolwich and Charlton Village. If only the 53 wasn't cut back to Lambeth North, as keeping it running to Whitehall would have probably benefited quite a few people and TFL seem to be in the process of causing as much inconvenience as possible to commuters  |
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Post by Connor on Jan 19, 2015 19:05:49 GMT
Now that we have so must disruption at London Bridge and the Greenwich Line on South Eastern losing our direct link to Charing Cross with these trains now being diverted to Cannon Street. The usage on route 53 may well go up as it will be easier and more cost effective to get the 53 to Whitehall and walk to Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross then having to change trains if travelling from Plumstead, Woolwich and Charlton Village. The 53 is a torturous route, I've been on it a staggering THREE times, from E&C to Charlton Village/Woolwich, all journeys way in excess of an hour.  Unless you couldn't afford the train, you'd be silly to think the 53 is a good alternative.  |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 19, 2015 19:16:55 GMT
Now that we have so must disruption at London Bridge and the Greenwich Line on South Eastern losing our direct link to Charing Cross with these trains now being diverted to Cannon Street. The usage on route 53 may well go up as it will be easier and more cost effective to get the 53 to Whitehall and walk to Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross then having to change trains if travelling from Plumstead, Woolwich and Charlton Village. If only the 53 wasn't cut back to Lambeth North, as keeping it running to Whitehall would have probably benefited quite a few people and TFL seem to be in the process of causing as much inconvenience as possible to commuters To be fair it is Westminster City Council who are reconstructing Bridge Street which is what has prompted the curtailment. The alternative is to try to force buses through the congestion with the risk that the service falls to bits and people are either end of the route get a shoddy service. There are no easy answers. If people are upset now and I can understand why how are they going to feel when TfL starts digging up a vast swathe of inner SE London affecting the operation of several key junctions and bus hubs? The risk of very substantial disruption to many routes for well over a year is very real. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 53 curtailed to the east of Elephant once TfL start digging that up! |
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Post by danorak on Jan 19, 2015 19:27:35 GMT
Now that we have so must disruption at London Bridge and the Greenwich Line on South Eastern losing our direct link to Charing Cross with these trains now being diverted to Cannon Street. The usage on route 53 may well go up as it will be easier and more cost effective to get the 53 to Whitehall and walk to Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross then having to change trains if travelling from Plumstead, Woolwich and Charlton Village. The 53 is a torturous route, I've been on it a staggering THREE times, from E&C to Charlton Village/Woolwich, all journeys way in excess of an hour. Unless you couldn't afford the train, you'd be silly to think the 53 is a good alternative. Depends what time you're travelling. Factor in the walk to and from the station, the need for interchange and there's not a lot in it. Going into London in the morning, I've found it surprisingly speedy thanks to the bus lanes. It can be a drag between New X and the top of Blackheath Hill returning in the evening peak, but after that, I prefer it to the train. The heavy loadings never cease to surprise me. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 19:39:31 GMT
Now that we have so must disruption at London Bridge and the Greenwich Line on South Eastern losing our direct link to Charing Cross with these trains now being diverted to Cannon Street. The usage on route 53 may well go up as it will be easier and more cost effective to get the 53 to Whitehall and walk to Trafalgar Square/Charing Cross then having to change trains if travelling from Plumstead, Woolwich and Charlton Village. If only the 53 wasn't cut back to Lambeth North, as keeping it running to Whitehall would have probably benefited quite a few people and TFL seem to be in the process of causing as much inconvenience as possible to commuters London's pathetic roadworks are to blame |
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Post by sam1212 on Jan 19, 2015 19:44:51 GMT
defo the T32
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 19:53:54 GMT
Well that is why it is getting withdrawn... And to be honest your post was random |
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