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Post by TA1 on Jan 19, 2015 20:00:28 GMT
If only the 53 wasn't cut back to Lambeth North, as keeping it running to Whitehall would have probably benefited quite a few people and TFL seem to be in the process of causing as much inconvenience as possible to commuters  London's pathetic roadworks are to blame Pathetic? So if Roadworks weren't carried out.. we'd all complain, fair enough there are a mass amount of burst water mains on London roads, but that's because of the victorian pipes needing replacing etc. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 20:07:42 GMT
London's pathetic roadworks are to blame Pathetic? So if Roadworks weren't carried out.. we'd all complain, fair enough there are a mass amount of burst water mains on London roads, but that's because of the victorian pipes needing replacing etc. Indeed Correct and it is keeping people in a job which is a good thing, but from what I have see though is roadworks in London rarely finish on time and have been causing problems on the roads for quite a few years now. The worst is Temporary Signal lights |
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Post by TA1 on Jan 19, 2015 20:28:15 GMT
Pathetic? So if Roadworks weren't carried out.. we'd all complain, fair enough there are a mass amount of burst water mains on London roads, but that's because of the victorian pipes needing replacing etc. Indeed Correct and it is keeping people in a job which is a good thing, but from what I have see though is roadworks in London rarely finish on time and have been causing problems on the roads for quite a few years now. The worst is Temporary Signal lights Thus invalids the pathetic comment, things do delay and run behind but thats life. Ive seen work completed ahead of schedule, Palmerston Road Bridge for example. Some temporary signals are bad as a result of a faulty sensor leading to extended dwelling times. Maybe being a car driver, i've grown patience to these things. |
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Post by sam1212 on Jan 19, 2015 20:42:27 GMT
Well that is why it is getting withdrawn... And to be honest your post was random oh really ? , that may be when all the changes may happen around addington then |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 20:44:33 GMT
Indeed Correct and it is keeping people in a job which is a good thing, but from what I have see though is roadworks in London rarely finish on time and have been causing problems on the roads for quite a few years now. The worst is Temporary Signal lights Thus invalids the pathetic comment, things do delay and run behind but thats life. Ive seen work completed ahead of schedule, Palmerston Road Bridge for example. Some temporary signals are bad as a result of a faulty sensor leading to extended dwelling times. Maybe being a car driver, i've grown patience to these things. The Pathetic Comment is just my opinion. Probably just a South London thing where roadworks don't really finish on time very much. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2015 21:10:10 GMT
The 53 is a torturous route, I've been on it a staggering THREE times, from E&C to Charlton Village/Woolwich, all journeys way in excess of an hour.  Unless you couldn't afford the train, you'd be silly to think the 53 is a good alternative.  Depends what time you're travelling. Factor in the walk to and from the station, the need for interchange and there's not a lot in it. Going into London in the morning, I've found it surprisingly speedy thanks to the bus lanes. It can be a drag between New X and the top of Blackheath Hill returning in the evening peak, but after that, I prefer it to the train. The heavy loadings never cease to surprise me. Could you add in the fact that the train services are run by Southeastern who are supposed to be an awful operator (I don't use their trains that much so I cant comment). |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 19, 2015 21:12:13 GMT
Thus invalids the pathetic comment, things do delay and run behind but thats life. Ive seen work completed ahead of schedule, Palmerston Road Bridge for example. Some temporary signals are bad as a result of a faulty sensor leading to extended dwelling times. Maybe being a car driver, i've grown patience to these things. The Pathetic Comment is just my opinion. Probably just a South London thing where roadworks don't really finish on time very much. The Clapham Park Road works finished early - just before Christmas day when the works were actually scheduled to finish on January 3rd. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 19, 2015 21:44:00 GMT
Useless: Not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome. I'd nominate the 40. Unreasonably slow running and extra long changeovers are irksome, but it's the high chance of the bus being curtailed at very short notice which makes it a bad service. It runs almost exclusively along corridors with parallel high frequency services. Given I usually end up on an alternative route after one is taken out of service mid route, it isn't terribly useful. It is an anomaly in a local network where most of the other services are very good and run well. But because of the way the 40 is operated, I actually let it go and wait for another bus in most circumstances. That said, my travel patterns are somewhat less routine than the average user - its a useful service to tens of thousands of people every day, especially with recent local issues with the East Dulwich to London Bridge rail service. People put up with being ejected mid route and accept it, probably because an alternative is never far behind. Unlike the denizens of the less radial C10, who revolt once they've had enough!
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 22:09:29 GMT
Depends what time you're travelling. Factor in the walk to and from the station, the need for interchange and there's not a lot in it. Going into London in the morning, I've found it surprisingly speedy thanks to the bus lanes. It can be a drag between New X and the top of Blackheath Hill returning in the evening peak, but after that, I prefer it to the train. The heavy loadings never cease to surprise me. Could you add in the fact that the train services are run by Southeastern who are supposed to be an awful operator (I don't use their trains that much so I cant comment). I have used Southfailstern many times, their Class 465s all smell disgusting. The 376s seem to be the cleanest trains. Trains are usually always late as well. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 22:12:38 GMT
Well that is why it is getting withdrawn... And to be honest your post was random oh really ? , that may be when all the changes may happen around addington then Yes, both T31 & T32 to be withdrawn and T33 to be renumbered 433 and possibly reduced in frequency. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 22:16:50 GMT
Useless: Not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome. I'd nominate the 40. Unreasonably slow running and extra long changeovers are irksome, but it's the high chance of the bus being curtailed at very short notice which makes it a bad service. It runs almost exclusively along corridors with parallel high frequency services. Given I usually end up on an alternative route after one is taken out of service mid route, it isn't terribly useful. It is an anomaly in a local network where most of the other services are very good and run well. But because of the way the 40 is operated, I actually let it go and wait for another bus in most circumstances. That said, my travel patterns are somewhat less routine than the average user - its a useful service to tens of thousands of people every day, especially with recent local issues with the East Dulwich to London Bridge rail service. People put up with being ejected mid route and accept it, probably because an alternative is never far behind. Unlike the denizens of the less radial C10, who revolt once they've had enough! The 344 can be the same. I was on a 344 in Vauxhall towards the end of last year and the bus was suddenly curtailed to Vauxhall with no warning, bus fully blinded for Clapham Junction. |
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Post by sam1212 on Jan 19, 2015 22:35:17 GMT
oh really ? , that may be when all the changes may happen around addington then Yes, both T31 & T32 to be withdrawn and T33 to be renumbered 433 and possibly reduced in frequency. oh dear the t31 aswell, tfl must have gone through whith it all then |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 22:43:10 GMT
Yes, both T31 & T32 to be withdrawn and T33 to be renumbered 433 and possibly reduced in frequency. oh dear the t31 aswell, tfl must have gone through whith it all then The T31 goes from Nowhere to Nowhere carrying very few people around (Well thats my experience from using the route), the ENLs used on it look appaling even after refurbishment, before refurb buses were poorly presented. |
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Post by sam1212 on Jan 19, 2015 22:49:06 GMT
oh dear the t31 aswell, tfl must have gone through whith it all then The T31 goes from Nowhere to Nowhere carrying very few people around (Well thats my experience from using the route), the ENLs used on it look appaling even after refurbishment, before refurb buses were poorly presented. you are correct and verry right about the buses used, they are horrible , to be honest the t33 should just do a double run of courtwood lane |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 19, 2015 22:54:15 GMT
The T31 goes from Nowhere to Nowhere carrying very few people around (Well thats my experience from using the route), the ENLs used on it look appaling even after refurbishment, before refurb buses were poorly presented. you are correct and verry right about the buses used, they are horrible , to be honest the t33 should just do a double run of courtwood lane The 353 is to be extended to Forestdale. Have a read of the New Addington Proposed Changes Thread tangytango.proboards.com/thread/8638/new-addington-propsed-changes |
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