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Post by marlon101 on Jun 24, 2013 21:00:01 GMT
If Metroline take over the Harwich - Esbjerg (Denmark) routes you might have a 'Cabin Supervisor' who will tell you when it's safe to enter when the sea is calm enough or the boat is stationary  TBH this is not Metroline's doing, it's the jobsworths at TfL who fear a deluge of claims from people stacking it when they run for a bus... Perhaps I will start getting txt messages from NBFL claim companies instead of PPI ones now?  Nb4l claims r us opened today good news if you stack it running to jump on a moving bus we can help please call 08 run faster or Imaprat@nb4lcru.co.uk  Injured your fringe falling from the NBfL rear deck? A host of no win no fee firms are waiting for your call! |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 24, 2013 21:59:57 GMT
Indeed, it would be unfair to blame Metroline for these unreliable, waste of money vehicles as well. I mean, a number of them had problems upon delivery & were apparently sent back to Wrightbus. It also seems that some drivers didn't even know how to the start the things - well my driver on LT17 had to be helped by a fellow driver!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 22:19:16 GMT
Nb4l claims r us opened today good news if you stack it running to jump on a moving bus we can help please call 08 run faster or Imaprat@nb4lcru.co.uk Injured your fringe falling from the NBfL rear deck? A host of no win no fee firms are waiting for your call! Well there will be cases where people will fall off on purpose (not accident) and then sue the operator for money. -.- But the truth is, common sence is needed for people when they use the open platform. If anyone falls off, its typically their fault! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 23:18:32 GMT
Took a few trips today on the 24 and positioned my self on the seats near the rear platform, the first journey from Pimlico towards Hampstead Heath the door supervisor for the entire journey positioned her self in such a way to block any passenger to leave the bus, refused to move for someone who wanted to get off as its not a bus stop. For anyone boarding said she " Don't recommended that" even though one time we were stationary at a traffic light the man with one foot on the platform holding on to the pole got off because of that. Also can't remember the bus but the oyster card reader on the rear platform was not working so she was sending everyone to the second door to touch in, but when it was so busy people could not move through the bus to do so, she told them to get of and walk around the bus and she will wait. It seems like such a waste of money to pay someone to basically block a door and restrict people getting on and refuse to let people off, may as well save £8 a hour and keep the rear platform door shut. Additionally on the trip home there was a heated discussion with the threat of the bus not moving if a man didn't touch in his freedom pass, after a while of the man refusing to touch in, he revealed his card didn't have a chip and the supervisor was happy with that.
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 24, 2013 23:59:18 GMT
Took a few trips today on the 24 and positioned my self on the seats near the rear platform, the first journey from Pimlico towards Hampstead Heath the door supervisor for the entire journey positioned her self in such a way to block any passenger to leave the bus, refused to move for someone who wanted to get off as its not a bus stop. For anyone boarding said she " Don't recommended that" even though one time we were stationary at a traffic light the man with one foot on the platform holding on to the pole got off because of that. Also can't remember the bus but the oyster card reader on the rear platform was not working so she was sending everyone to the second door to touch in, but when it was so busy people could not move through the bus to do so, she told them to get of and walk around the bus and she will wait. It seems like such a waste of money to pay someone to basically block a door and restrict people getting on and refuse to let people off, may as well save £8 a hour and keep the rear platform door shut. Additionally on the trip home there was a heated discussion with the threat of the bus not moving if a man didn't touch in his freedom pass, after a while of the man refusing to touch in, he revealed his card didn't have a chip and the supervisor was happy with that. These platform guards are going to end up annoying the punters. The 38 passengers appear to have managed it fine; why do the platform staff on the 24 feel the need to police the bus? |
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Post by M1104 on Jun 25, 2013 0:15:39 GMT
Took a few trips today on the 24 and positioned my self on the seats near the rear platform, the first journey from Pimlico towards Hampstead Heath the door supervisor for the entire journey positioned her self in such a way to block any passenger to leave the bus, refused to move for someone who wanted to get off as its not a bus stop. For anyone boarding said she " Don't recommended that" even though one time we were stationary at a traffic light the man with one foot on the platform holding on to the pole got off because of that. Also can't remember the bus but the oyster card reader on the rear platform was not working so she was sending everyone to the second door to touch in, but when it was so busy people could not move through the bus to do so, she told them to get of and walk around the bus and she will wait. It seems like such a waste of money to pay someone to basically block a door and restrict people getting on and refuse to let people off, may as well save £8 a hour and keep the rear platform door shut. Additionally on the trip home there was a heated discussion with the threat of the bus not moving if a man didn't touch in his freedom pass, after a while of the man refusing to touch in, he revealed his card didn't have a chip and the supervisor was happy with that. These platform guards are going to end up annoying the punters. The 38 passengers appear to have managed it fine; why do the platform staff on the 24 feel the need to police the bus? I am guessing it's some sort of stunt to avoid any accidents during the early stages, where it would otherwise invite more public criticism against the LTs (on top of the air con, reliability and free ride issues that has already occurred on the first day). Possibly further along the road the hop on/off procedure may be allowed like was so with Arriva's variants. |
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Post by Steve80 on Jun 25, 2013 2:07:40 GMT
Took a few trips today on the 24 and positioned my self on the seats near the rear platform, the first journey from Pimlico towards Hampstead Heath the door supervisor for the entire journey positioned her self in such a way to block any passenger to leave the bus, refused to move for someone who wanted to get off as its not a bus stop. For anyone boarding said she " Don't recommended that" even though one time we were stationary at a traffic light the man with one foot on the platform holding on to the pole got off because of that. Also can't remember the bus but the oyster card reader on the rear platform was not working so she was sending everyone to the second door to touch in, but when it was so busy people could not move through the bus to do so, she told them to get of and walk around the bus and she will wait. It seems like such a waste of money to pay someone to basically block a door and restrict people getting on and refuse to let people off, may as well save £8 a hour and keep the rear platform door shut. Additionally on the trip home there was a heated discussion with the threat of the bus not moving if a man didn't touch in his freedom pass, after a while of the man refusing to touch in, he revealed his card didn't have a chip and the supervisor was happy with that. These platform guards are going to end up annoying the punters. The 38 passengers appear to have managed it fine; why do the platform staff on the 24 feel the need to police the bus? Not just the passengers but maybe the drivers as well and especially if they are on their last trip. The last thing you need is others delaying the bus just because one oyster reader isn't working. I guess if this keeps hapenning then the passengers will soon fight back. Surely if the bus is stuck in traffic then they should be allowed to alight especially if the doors are already open |
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Post by joefrombow on Jun 25, 2013 4:38:09 GMT
These platform guards are going to end up annoying the punters. The 38 passengers appear to have managed it fine; why do the platform staff on the 24 feel the need to police the bus? Not just the passengers but maybe the drivers as well and especially if they are on their last trip. The last thing you need is others delaying the bus just because one oyster reader isn't working. I guess if this keeps hapenning then the passengers will soon fight back. Surely if the bus is stuck in traffic then they should be allowed to alight especially if the doors are already open I'm sure the Lady or any of these Door Supervisors/conductor/platform attendant's who comes across as a bit "Jobsworth" are only doing as she or they have been instructed to do or trained to do , as with Bus drivers and many other jobs some people do everything right to the very word of the book whilst others don't take it too seriously i'm sure once the novelty wears off things will change but you cant blame someone for doing there job if you want to blame someone for not making clear whether its hop on or off blame Boris and also do the conductors give a starter signal to the driver on these as with the RM's ? And did the conductors work on Sunday ?? |
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 25, 2013 6:31:36 GMT
If Metroline take over the Harwich - Esbjerg (Denmark) routes you might have a 'Cabin Supervisor' who will tell you when it's safe to enter when the sea is calm enough or the boat is stationary TBH this is not Metroline's doing, it's the jobsworths at TfL who fear a deluge of claims from people stacking it when they run for a bus... Perhaps I will start getting txt messages from NBFL claim companies instead of PPI ones now? Nb4l claims r us opened today good news if you stack it running to jump on a moving bus we can help please call 08 run faster or Imaprat@nb4lcru.co.uk (sigh) they've started already  |
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Post by cc2005 on Jun 25, 2013 7:10:46 GMT
Not just the passengers but maybe the drivers as well and especially if they are on their last trip. The last thing you need is others delaying the bus just because one oyster reader isn't working. I guess if this keeps hapenning then the passengers will soon fight back. Surely if the bus is stuck in traffic then they should be allowed to alight especially if the doors are already open I'm sure the Lady or any of these Door Supervisors/conductor/platform attendant's who comes across as a bit "Jobsworth" are only doing as she or they have been instructed to do or trained to do , as with Bus drivers and many other jobs some people do everything right to the very word of the book whilst others don't take it too seriously i'm sure once the novelty wears off things will change but you cant blame someone for doing there job if you want to blame someone for not making clear whether its hop on or off blame Boris and also do the conductors give a starter signal to the driver on these as with the RM's ? And did the conductors work on Sunday ?? The conductors don't give a starter signal...there are no buttons of any sort to communicate with the driver at the conductor's position by the rear door. The conductors worked on Sunday too. |
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Post by ajw on Jun 25, 2013 7:18:19 GMT
www.boriswatch.co.uk/2013/06/24/hop-on-hop-off-bus-is-a-sham/I heard a barrage of complaints have been sent to TFL regarding the conductors on the 24 refusing anyone to jump on and off between stops. But this issue will become much political now. TFL should have rolled the NBFL's out by bus instead of having the whole thing on the road at once. But the conductors on the Metroline are strict on the 24 for now. It is probably an insurance requirement. Metroline will probably want paying more to cover increased insurance costs. If it is an insurance issue then they shouldn't have the open platform. Yet again this kind of thing makes the case for a standard off the shelf bus, which of course make up 99.?% of the existing fleet and do a good job. |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jun 25, 2013 9:47:40 GMT
It is great to finally have a sensible discussion about this bus after all the hassle that has gone on in previous discussions. My thoughts are this....Aestheticly, I think that the bus looks fantastic, I think that it really looks like it belongs on the streets of London. I also like the inside of the bus (except the back to back seating at the rear of the lower deck) and I think that the ride quality of the bus is excellent - very few rattles, and it is comfortable.
However, the operation of the actual thing I do not believe has been thought through. My observations on Saturday were that journeys were painfully slow and probably only about half the buses got past trafalgar/parliament sq. Surely having a crew operated bus with open boarding should speed up journeys, not the opposite. Also the door opening/closing beeps totally did my head in (I dont remember them being this loud on the 38's??) The 2 staircases in threoy might seem a good idea, but people came up from both stairs and almost fought over the remaining seats, with the losing people having to retreat back downstairs.
Overall, I was disappointed that not a lot seems to have been learned from the 38's. I think that the open boarding should be scrapped.....passengers to use the open platform when in crew mode and front when in opo mode (though this would probably be to confusing for the average punter) The "conductors" that I came across were generally polite and helpful, however it seems that it has not been the case in most peoples experiences.
I will re-visit in a couple of weeks to see if the thing has settled down.
Just a quick question....how long have the LT's on the 38 been opo only and what is the reason for this??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 13:22:33 GMT
This is from twitter...
"@philippasl
I'm on a new routemaster AND I jumped on at a red light! #exciting #newnostalgia"
"@dan_S_McKee
New London routemaster bus outside my office today #guildhall @tflofficial pic.twitter.com/H0VqBIj3rw"
So the conductor is now allowing passengers to enter and exit via the rear, between stops.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 25, 2013 13:38:28 GMT
It is great to finally have a sensible discussion about this bus after all the hassle that has gone on in previous discussions. My thoughts are this....Aestheticly, I think that the bus looks fantastic, I think that it really looks like it belongs on the streets of London. I also like the inside of the bus (except the back to back seating at the rear of the lower deck) and I think that the ride quality of the bus is excellent - very few rattles, and it is comfortable. However, the operation of the actual thing I do not believe has been thought through. My observations on Saturday were that journeys were painfully slow and probably only about half the buses got past trafalgar/parliament sq. Surely having a crew operated bus with open boarding should speed up journeys, not the opposite. Also the door opening/closing beeps totally did my head in (I dont remember them being this loud on the 38's??) The 2 staircases in threoy might seem a good idea, but people came up from both stairs and almost fought over the remaining seats, with the losing people having to retreat back downstairs. Overall, I was disappointed that not a lot seems to have been learned from the 38's. I think that the open boarding should be scrapped.....passengers to use the open platform when in crew mode and front when in opo mode (though this would probably be to confusing for the average punter) The "conductors" that I came across were generally polite and helpful, however it seems that it has not been the case in most peoples experiences. I will re-visit in a couple of weeks to see if the thing has settled down. Just a quick question....how long have the LT's on the 38 been opo only and what is the reason for this?? The seven bus weekday schedule on the 38 was reduced to five to allow LT1 & 2 to tour sixteen countries promoting the 'Great Britain' project. LT1 is also now in the hands of TfL and not Arriva anymore. |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jun 25, 2013 13:50:20 GMT
It is great to finally have a sensible discussion about this bus after all the hassle that has gone on in previous discussions. My thoughts are this....Aestheticly, I think that the bus looks fantastic, I think that it really looks like it belongs on the streets of London. I also like the inside of the bus (except the back to back seating at the rear of the lower deck) and I think that the ride quality of the bus is excellent - very few rattles, and it is comfortable. However, the operation of the actual thing I do not believe has been thought through. My observations on Saturday were that journeys were painfully slow and probably only about half the buses got past trafalgar/parliament sq. Surely having a crew operated bus with open boarding should speed up journeys, not the opposite. Also the door opening/closing beeps totally did my head in (I dont remember them being this loud on the 38's??) The 2 staircases in threoy might seem a good idea, but people came up from both stairs and almost fought over the remaining seats, with the losing people having to retreat back downstairs. Overall, I was disappointed that not a lot seems to have been learned from the 38's. I think that the open boarding should be scrapped.....passengers to use the open platform when in crew mode and front when in opo mode (though this would probably be to confusing for the average punter) The "conductors" that I came across were generally polite and helpful, however it seems that it has not been the case in most peoples experiences. I will re-visit in a couple of weeks to see if the thing has settled down. Just a quick question....how long have the LT's on the 38 been opo only and what is the reason for this?? The seven bus weekday schedule on the 38 was reduced to five to allow LT1 & 2 to tour sixteen countries promoting the 'Great Britain' project. LT1 is also now in the hands of TfL and not Arriva anymore. Thanks vjaska, I kmow that 1&2 are touring, still wondering the reason why the 5 bus schedule on the 38 isnt crew operated?? |
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