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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 19:35:21 GMT
The NBFL are now becoming wear and tear /photo/1
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Post by IanF on Jul 19, 2013 19:40:34 GMT
The NBFL are now becoming wear and tear /photo/1 No that's rubbish build quality.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 19, 2013 19:44:20 GMT
The NBFLs are rubbish, I'm sorry I bugged everyone about them for months before their launch /photo/1 FTFY Perhaps someone was looking for the handle to open a window, or trying to disconnect the ultra hot LED lights TBH Boris and Leon were pushing Wrightbus to produce several of these highly complex buses to a tight deadline, I'm not surprised that build quality / finish went out the window.... would be nice if a breeze went out the window (and in) but we can't have everything, can we? Looks like another TfL white elephant (like the Emirates Dangleway to nowhere in particular)
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Post by RM5chris on Jul 19, 2013 19:48:39 GMT
The NBFL are now becoming wear and tear /photo/1 No that's rubbish build quality. Or just a panel not put back correctly? Noticed a panel by the air-cooler not correctly refitted myself a few weeks back.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 19, 2013 20:12:02 GMT
The NBFLs are rubbish, I'm sorry I bugged everyone about them for months before their launch /photo/1 FTFY Perhaps someone was looking for the handle to open a window, or trying to disconnect the ultra hot LED lights TBH Boris and Leon were pushing Wrightbus to produce several of these highly complex buses to a tight deadline, I'm not surprised that build quality / finish went out the window.... would be nice if a breeze went out the window (and in) but we can't have everything, can we? Looks like another TfL white elephant (like the Emirates Dangleway to nowhere in particular) At least the Emirates cable car is well built and has windows that can actually be opened.......
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Post by marlon101 on Jul 19, 2013 21:33:52 GMT
The NBFL are now becoming wear and tear /photo/1 I hope I never work with your English teacher The NBFL are now becoming wear and tear /photo/1 No that's rubbish build quality. For all we know some drunk bloke built like a tank has lashed out at that. FTFY Perhaps someone was looking for the handle to open a window, or trying to disconnect the ultra hot LED lights TBH Boris and Leon were pushing Wrightbus to produce several of these highly complex buses to a tight deadline, I'm not surprised that build quality / finish went out the window.... would be nice if a breeze went out the window (and in) but we can't have everything, can we? Looks like another TfL white elephant (like the Emirates Dangleway to nowhere in particular) At least the Emirates cable car is well built and has windows that can actually be opened....... And a frightening contract that binds TfL to all sorts of unsavoury conditions, have you seen?
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Post by snoggle on Jul 19, 2013 21:51:28 GMT
TBH Boris and Leon were pushing Wrightbus to produce several of these highly complex buses to a tight deadline, I'm not surprised that build quality / finish went out the window.... would be nice if a breeze went out the window (and in) but we can't have everything, can we? Looks like another TfL white elephant (like the Emirates Dangleway to nowhere in particular) There are two sides to every debate. I tend to agree with you about there being pressure to get this batch into service quickly. Some buses were sat at Perivale (?)for ages but a whole load only arrived with days to go. Once the conversion date was announced it was "unmoveable" which never helps matters. The subsequent problems with breakdowns and the air cooling won't have helped because I suspect these have been done "in a panic" given the increasing crescendo of complaint directed at the Mayor and TfL. The other side is why Wrightbus have signed up to a delivery schedule they *seem* (careful words) to be having difficulty meeting. It is only 8 weeks until route 11 converts and there are no reports of any London General buses having been built. I am sure Wrightbus will probably have their annual Summer shutdown soon or else will have a reduced production rate while staff go on holiday. I'd be worried about getting another 30 buses built, delivered, tested and commissioned for 21 September 2013 - especially with an air cooling system that demonstrably does not work and which may need to be modified / redesigned depending on what the air con specialists conclude. If I was TfL I'd take the flak now of postponing the NB4Ls on route 11 until such time as I knew what the air con specialists found and what solution, if any, there is to ensure people get a comfortable and ventilated ride on a NB4L. To just keep going and then face a retrofit programme while trying to keep buses running and having complaints every day is not a great prospect. TfL does what the Mayor lays down. It should now be clear to (almost) everyone that Boris has not got a clue when it comes to boring old detail which is what you need to get transport things right. He likes bright shiny baubles and trinkets that masquerade as public transport but are really things which he can have his name connected with.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 19, 2013 22:20:47 GMT
TBH Boris and Leon were pushing Wrightbus to produce several of these highly complex buses to a tight deadline, I'm not surprised that build quality / finish went out the window.... would be nice if a breeze went out the window (and in) but we can't have everything, can we? Looks like another TfL white elephant (like the Emirates Dangleway to nowhere in particular) There are two sides to every debate. I tend to agree with you about there being pressure to get this batch into service quickly. Some buses were sat at Perivale (?)for ages but a whole load only arrived with days to go. Once the conversion date was announced it was "unmoveable" which never helps matters. The subsequent problems with breakdowns and the air cooling won't have helped because I suspect these have been done "in a panic" given the increasing crescendo of complaint directed at the Mayor and TfL. The other side is why Wrightbus have signed up to a delivery schedule they *seem* (careful words) to be having difficulty meeting. It is only 8 weeks until route 11 converts and there are no reports of any London General buses having been built. I am sure Wrightbus will probably have their annual Summer shutdown soon or else will have a reduced production rate while staff go on holiday. I'd be worried about getting another 30 buses built, delivered, tested and commissioned for 21 September 2013 - especially with an air cooling system that demonstrably does not work and which may need to be modified / redesigned depending on what the air con specialists conclude. If I was TfL I'd take the flak now of postponing the NB4Ls on route 11 until such time as I knew what the air con specialists found and what solution, if any, there is to ensure people get a comfortable and ventilated ride on a NB4L. To just keep going and then face a retrofit programme while trying to keep buses running and having complaints every day is not a great prospect. TfL does what the Mayor lays down. It should now be clear to (almost) everyone that Boris has not got a clue when it comes to boring old detail which is what you need to get transport things right. He likes bright shiny baubles and trinkets that masquerade as public transport but are really things which he can have his name connected with. On the plus side, they will be lovely and warm in the winter due to all those hot LED lights... they can just set the aircon to 'cold' to warm the bus, lol It seems TfL have the same attention span as a four year old Aside from spending £700k on a 'Cycle Superhighway' (whats the point, cyclists have no time for minor issues like red lights ), right now, they're playing with DW411 'testing the bus.... may not see service at the moment' according to a recent post elsewhere on the forum... I've not seen any reports of the 11's batch, but Wrightbus did set up a new operation, EnDrive I think, that will concentrate on making them... I guess they're also busy on the 'streets ahead' Project with Volvo for a 'radical new integral bus', or B5TL to you and me. We might see those in the autumn (I'm guessing conventional Gemini bodied ones for now)
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Post by vjaska on Jul 19, 2013 23:51:10 GMT
TBH Boris and Leon were pushing Wrightbus to produce several of these highly complex buses to a tight deadline, I'm not surprised that build quality / finish went out the window.... would be nice if a breeze went out the window (and in) but we can't have everything, can we? Looks like another TfL white elephant (like the Emirates Dangleway to nowhere in particular) There are two sides to every debate. I tend to agree with you about there being pressure to get this batch into service quickly. Some buses were sat at Perivale (?)for ages but a whole load only arrived with days to go. Once the conversion date was announced it was "unmoveable" which never helps matters. The subsequent problems with breakdowns and the air cooling won't have helped because I suspect these have been done "in a panic" given the increasing crescendo of complaint directed at the Mayor and TfL. The other side is why Wrightbus have signed up to a delivery schedule they *seem* (careful words) to be having difficulty meeting. It is only 8 weeks until route 11 converts and there are no reports of any London General buses having been built. I am sure Wrightbus will probably have their annual Summer shutdown soon or else will have a reduced production rate while staff go on holiday. I'd be worried about getting another 30 buses built, delivered, tested and commissioned for 21 September 2013 - especially with an air cooling system that demonstrably does not work and which may need to be modified / redesigned depending on what the air con specialists conclude. If I was TfL I'd take the flak now of postponing the NB4Ls on route 11 until such time as I knew what the air con specialists found and what solution, if any, there is to ensure people get a comfortable and ventilated ride on a NB4L. To just keep going and then face a retrofit programme while trying to keep buses running and having complaints every day is not a great prospect. TfL does what the Mayor lays down. It should now be clear to (almost) everyone that Boris has not got a clue when it comes to boring old detail which is what you need to get transport things right. He likes bright shiny baubles and trinkets that masquerade as public transport but are really things which he can have his name connected with. Some LT's were only delivered days before the conversion due to encountering problems whilst on delivery - a number were returned to Wrightbus to be amended .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 12:17:42 GMT
Why can't Wrightbus open up a garage in London which saves fuel and money by taking it back all the way up to Ballymena, Ireland?
I am sure they make the spare parts and send them to London...
And TFL needs to slow down the productions so the buses can be done in quality and not in quantity.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 20, 2013 13:52:23 GMT
Why can't Wrightbus open up a garage in London which saves fuel and money by taking it back all the way up to Ballymena, Ireland? I am sure they make the spare parts and send them to London... And TFL needs to slow down the productions so the buses can be done in quality and not in quantity. That is a great idea! If Volvo can do it in Brimsdown, there's no reason why Wrightbus shouldn't be considering the same... it's like they're the Dell of the bus world, where everything must go back to Ireland if you want it fixed
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Post by marlon101 on Jul 20, 2013 15:20:57 GMT
Why can't Wrightbus open up a garage in London which saves fuel and money by taking it back all the way up to Ballymena, Ireland? I am sure they make the spare parts and send them to London... And TFL needs to slow down the productions so the buses can be done in quality and not in quantity. That is a great idea! If Volvo can do it in Brimsdown, there's no reason why Wrightbus shouldn't be considering the same... it's like they're the Dell of the bus world, where everything must go back to Ireland if you want it fixed I imagine the cost of a decent sized leasehold in the London area is small change compared to the shipping costs back to Ballymena
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 19:52:24 GMT
www.boriswatch.co.uk/2013/07/21/route-24-a-couple-of-wee-problems/on this link, scroll to the 2nd and 4th image on the blog post. Why can't Wrightbus open up it's own garage so the NBFL's can get fixed without being floated back to Ireland! The use of superglue is not working so thats why the panels are better off being welded in! And yes the bus needs double cleaning due to the odor smell!
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Post by greeny253 on Jul 21, 2013 20:06:14 GMT
www.boriswatch.co.uk/2013/07/21/route-24-a-couple-of-wee-problems/on this link, scroll to the 2nd and 4th image on the blog post. Why can't Wrightbus open up it's own garage so the NBFL's can get fixed without being floated back to Ireland! The use of superglue is not working so thats why the panels are better off being welded in! And yes the bus needs double cleaning due to the odor smell! Can't say I noticed any strange smells on LT24 the other day. That said, I'd be interested to know what's causing the mechanical breakdowns.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 21, 2013 20:27:32 GMT
Can't say I noticed any strange smells on LT24 the other day. That said, I'd be interested to know what's causing the mechanical breakdowns. I know there is always a risk that any new bus might be a bit unreliable in its early days but the NB4L does seem to be extraordinarily unreliable. Of course the fact the things stand out means every time one conks out someone takes a snap and it ends up on Twitter. Nonetheless do other new buses suffer anything like the attrition rate that has afflicted the NB4Ls? For example, have Arriva's B5Ls been conking out on route 29 as frequently as the NB4Ls? Do Volvo B9s break down this frequently?
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