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Post by marlon101 on Jul 21, 2013 21:17:16 GMT
www.boriswatch.co.uk/2013/07/21/route-24-a-couple-of-wee-problems/on this link, scroll to the 2nd and 4th image on the blog post. Why can't Wrightbus open up it's own garage so the NBFL's can get fixed without being floated back to Ireland! The use of superglue is not working so thats why the panels are better off being welded in! And yes the bus needs double cleaning due to the odor smell! This isn't your question, an issue which is being discussed elsewhere. How do you know it is superglue? Bucket load of assumptions floating around here. We would be far better off dealing with facts, even if they are thin on the ground. I for one am hugely unsympathetic to the NBfL project but I don't want to see the bus unfairly denigrated. I' not even sure, snoggle, if comparison with those B5Ls would be fair. As has been noted, the bus is so high profile, the first hiccup one has will be tweeted a million times. For all we know, the bus on the back of that tow truck was mishandled, ran out of diesel and has upset itself on the dregs at the bottom of the tank (diesel drivers will know the hassle caused running out of diesel, its not quite the same as petrol!) The bus hasn't been extensively run in and, if I'm quite honest, a firm case that the bus is any hotter than any others or any less well built has yet to be conclusively proven. I could quite easily find you a new London bus with a dodgy panel I'm sure and I dare say they all make you sweat like a boil in the bag fish in the temperatures we've seen over the last week however people will tweet about the NBfL but not your regular bus. On the urine smell, I think its a case of the new materials. BX's WVLs smelt a bit weird for a while when new IMO
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Post by snoggle on Jul 21, 2013 23:18:57 GMT
@ Marlon 101 - yes I fully appreciate that speculation is rife and few facts are knocking around. You might imagine that TfL would have clearly understood the likely level of interest as well as the existence of "knockers" and have been prepared to put some facts out to counter the speculation. They own the buses so the flak will head in their direction. One has to wonder quite what is going on given the lack of information because it simply means the Mayor will be asked questions by Assembly members and others will submit FOI requests to get to the facts. TfL could avoid all this by being transparent and putting out some appropriate info to say what has gone wrong, what has been done and why and what else is left to do. TfL have apparently agreed to sign up to new transparency standards so they have an ideal opportunity here to show their intent.
I asked my comparative question about the B5s and B9s in the hope that people here, who are more observant about buses than the average person in the street and who may well have direct experience of driving or maintaining these buses, could add their 2p worth to try to balance this things up. I certainly don't believe Volvos never break down but I agree with you that any breakdowns are likely to be unremarked.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2013 2:03:57 GMT
www.boriswatch.co.uk/2013/07/21/route-24-a-couple-of-wee-problems/on this link, scroll to the 2nd and 4th image on the blog post. Why can't Wrightbus open up it's own garage so the NBFL's can get fixed without being floated back to Ireland! The use of superglue is not working so thats why the panels are better off being welded in! And yes the bus needs double cleaning due to the odor smell! This isn't your question, an issue which is being discussed elsewhere. How do you know it is superglue? Bucket load of assumptions floating around here. We would be far better off dealing with facts, even if they are thin on the ground. I for one am hugely unsympathetic to the NBfL project but I don't want to see the bus unfairly denigrated. I' not even sure, snoggle, if comparison with those B5Ls would be fair. As has been noted, the bus is so high profile, the first hiccup one has will be tweeted a million times. For all we know, the bus on the back of that tow truck was mishandled, ran out of diesel and has upset itself on the dregs at the bottom of the tank (diesel drivers will know the hassle caused running out of diesel, its not quite the same as petrol!) The bus hasn't been extensively run in and, if I'm quite honest, a firm case that the bus is any hotter than any others or any less well built has yet to be conclusively proven. I could quite easily find you a new London bus with a dodgy panel I'm sure and I dare say they all make you sweat like a boil in the bag fish in the temperatures we've seen over the last week however people will tweet about the NBfL but not your regular bus. On the urine smell, I think its a case of the new materials. BX's WVLs smelt a bit weird for a while when new IMO The problem is 'marlon101' that whilst you most likely can find a new bus with a dodgy bus and I'm sure you can find plenty of stuffy buses, these buses did not have bold claims attached that they are 'well built' machines capable of lasting 15 years or whatever TfL originally said and that the lack of hopper windows would made up by a workable 'air conditioning/air cooling' system. Personally, I find all buses in London not particularly cool in the hot weather - however, I'd expect such a vehicle that is in the public eye far more than others to be 'up to scratch' and so far it's failing that task.
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Post by marlon101 on Jul 22, 2013 6:20:07 GMT
This isn't your question, an issue which is being discussed elsewhere. How do you know it is superglue? Bucket load of assumptions floating around here. We would be far better off dealing with facts, even if they are thin on the ground. I for one am hugely unsympathetic to the NBfL project but I don't want to see the bus unfairly denigrated. I' not even sure, snoggle, if comparison with those B5Ls would be fair. As has been noted, the bus is so high profile, the first hiccup one has will be tweeted a million times. For all we know, the bus on the back of that tow truck was mishandled, ran out of diesel and has upset itself on the dregs at the bottom of the tank (diesel drivers will know the hassle caused running out of diesel, its not quite the same as petrol!) The bus hasn't been extensively run in and, if I'm quite honest, a firm case that the bus is any hotter than any others or any less well built has yet to be conclusively proven. I could quite easily find you a new London bus with a dodgy panel I'm sure and I dare say they all make you sweat like a boil in the bag fish in the temperatures we've seen over the last week however people will tweet about the NBfL but not your regular bus. On the urine smell, I think its a case of the new materials. BX's WVLs smelt a bit weird for a while when new IMO The problem is 'marlon101' that whilst you most likely can find a new bus with a dodgy bus and I'm sure you can find plenty of stuffy buses, these buses did not have bold claims attached that they are 'well built' machines capable of lasting 15 years or whatever TfL originally said and that the lack of hopper windows would made up by a workable 'air conditioning/air cooling' system. Personally, I find all buses in London not particularly cool in the hot weather - however, I'd expect such a vehicle that is in the public eye far more than others to be 'up to scratch' and so far it's failing that task. A very good point. For the time being, attention is better directed criticising he who made such lofty claims about this bus and rushed it into service!
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 22, 2013 17:17:39 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jul 22, 2013 17:32:29 GMT
Well notice the lack of people upstairs. I certainly won't be using the 24 while it still has "boil in the bag" buses on it. I do love your photoshop spoofs like this.
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Post by rambo on Jul 24, 2013 2:26:18 GMT
I'm shocked that a brand new bus design does not have proper aircon. Did wrightbus not do proper pre service checks?
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jul 25, 2013 13:23:52 GMT
On LT33 now and ac on top deck is working fine
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Post by snoggle on Jul 25, 2013 15:23:57 GMT
On LT33 now and ac on top deck is working fine LT33 (and LT32) both had a few days off service recently so perhaps they have had some more extensive work / checks done to them to get their air cooling working properly?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 16:03:31 GMT
I got a question...
Why the NBFL's have no garage code on the side of the buses?
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Post by John tuthill on Jul 25, 2013 17:06:05 GMT
I got a question... Why the NBFL's have no garage code on the side of the buses? Now that all buses are monitored by location at TFL, I can't see the need anymore. Sad, it was always a game when I was a kid to name the garage from seeing the garage code.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 25, 2013 17:38:43 GMT
I got a question... Why the NBFL's have no garage code on the side of the buses? There are only 40 vehicles and we all know the first 8 are allocated to Ash Grove and the other 32 are with Metroline at Holloway. The vehicles are route and garage bound so they're not allowed to wander. TfL and the operators know exactly where the buses allocated so what's the point as Mr Tuthill said? Even when more NB4Ls arrive there are some operators who do not use garage codes so they'd never carry codes in that case. Some of Go Ahead's WVLs on the 257 still carry AF (Putney) codes despite having been at NP for months and months. Doesn't stop the service being run does it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 14:03:56 GMT
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Post by westhamgeezer on Aug 6, 2013 11:40:12 GMT
Not related, but what will happen to the N11 when LT's start on the 11?? Is it likely that this will use LT's or conventional buses from other routes at SW?
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Post by M1104 on Aug 6, 2013 13:10:35 GMT
Not related, but what will happen to the N11 when LT's start on the 11?? Is it likely that this will use LT's or conventional buses from other routes at SW? Most likely to be with conventional buses as the WVLs with the recently fitted white blinds don't have 11 on them but do have N11.
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