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Post by smiler52 on Aug 6, 2013 14:16:34 GMT
forgot about that its just a waste of money If they are new-ish buses though, they are likely to be cascaded to other routes replacing older buses so not too much of a waste. Any ideas on whether the N11 will use LT's as its operated with buses from the 11?? 10 years old next years old next year so that's there time in London done
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Post by westhamgeezer on Aug 6, 2013 14:24:16 GMT
If they are new-ish buses though, they are likely to be cascaded to other routes replacing older buses so not too much of a waste. Any ideas on whether the N11 will use LT's as its operated with buses from the 11?? 10 years old next years old next year so that's there time in London done I know, quite an achievement to last that long to be honest!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 14:50:03 GMT
TFL should have converted the 9 and 15 on the final batches, thats why the Heritage Routemaster runs along the 2 routes. They should keep the RM's running and then on the final conversions they can withdraw the Heritage RM's and then the very next day full NBFL service for the 9 and 15.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Aug 6, 2013 15:05:05 GMT
TFL should have converted the 9 and 15 on the final batches, thats why the Heritage Routemaster runs along the 2 routes. They should keep the RM's running and then on the final conversions they can withdraw the Heritage RM's and then the very next day full NBFL service for the 9 and 15. What is the point of that? The RM's are heritage routes, the LT's are not by any means heritage and are not Routemasters. The RM's should stay as long as operationally viable regardless of what routes are converted to LT's.
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 6, 2013 15:07:50 GMT
I'm suprised at how 390 is getting NB4Ls as it is not really a relevant route to it. Im thinking route 15 may get them, then the current Hybrids on it can go on to route 8. But I think route 188 should get it as it has connections with the O2 and Central London, then the current Hybrids on the route can make a part Hybrid allocation on route 35, then put some of 35's Enviro400s on route 172 to oust those 51-reg ALX400s.
I also think route 391 should be converted to Double-Deck operation using buses off route 9 when it gets its NB4Ls. Then the OVs can go to PK for routes 272 and 440 (if they are retained) and they can send their Enviro200s to FW, HH or TV.
I presume that London United's NB4Ls will be blinded for: 9, 10, 27, 94 and 148.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Aug 6, 2013 15:19:36 GMT
I'm suprised at how 390 is getting NB4Ls as it is not really a relevant route to it. Im thinking route 15 may get them, then the current Hybrids on it can go on to route 8. But I think route 188 should get it as it has connections with the O2 and Central London, then the current Hybrids on the route can make a part Hybrid allocation on route 35, then put some of 35's Enviro400s on route 172 to oust those 51-reg ALX400s. I also think route 391 should be converted to Double-Deck operation using buses off route 9 when it gets its NB4Ls. Then the OVs can go to PK for routes 272 and 440 (if they are retained) and they can send their Enviro200s to FW, HH or TV. I too am surprised by the 390, but expect it is because it has quite old vehicles and also a low PVR (for a Central Route) so therefore can be converted quicker
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 15:35:47 GMT
The 6 or 98 both run right through Central London and have old-ish buses like the 390 so maybe strong future candidates. Aside those two I'm reckoning the 15, 23, or 88. 23 not impossible but quite unlikely (although DNs/DNHs could go to LI, in exchange for some VNs for X/AS) 88 I reckon won't be converted, as it isn't a 'Gold Frame' service and only just got EHs a couple of months ago, but then again the same thing happened to the 24. C2 is also a good-ish candidate go to NB4L operation as well (runs with diesel buses and is 'gold framed') Gold frame routes are the buses with yellowy-gold adframes (except the 482) The 88 pretty much meets the criteria for "gold-frame" route. The fact EHs were diverted to it does suggest there's some priority to get hybrids on there, and it serves areas like Westminster and Oxford Circus. Also worth bearing in mind the EHs were bought for the 87 which is less of a gold-frame route than the 88.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Aug 6, 2013 16:02:06 GMT
23 not impossible but quite unlikely (although DNs/DNHs could go to LI, in exchange for some VNs for X/AS) 88 I reckon won't be converted, as it isn't a 'Gold Frame' service and only just got EHs a couple of months ago, but then again the same thing happened to the 24. C2 is also a good-ish candidate go to NB4L operation as well (runs with diesel buses and is 'gold framed') Gold frame routes are the buses with yellowy-gold adframes (except the 482) The 88 pretty much meets the criteria for "gold-frame" route. The fact EHs were diverted to it does suggest there's some priority to get hybrids on there, and it serves areas like Westminster and Oxford Circus. Also worth bearing in mind the EHs were bought for the 87 which is less of a gold-frame route than the 88. NB4Ls on the 88 could send the EHs to their intended home (the 87) then keep the the diesel Es (with new blindsets on all of them which include 196/333/337)for those routes. A handful of WVLs to be kept for a 337 frequency increase/spares.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 16:03:43 GMT
The 88 pretty much meets the criteria for "gold-frame" route. The fact EHs were diverted to it does suggest there's some priority to get hybrids on there, and it serves areas like Westminster and Oxford Circus. Also worth bearing in mind the EHs were bought for the 87 which is less of a gold-frame route than the 88. NB4Ls on the 88 could send the EHs to their intended home (the 87) then keep the 57 (plus a few extras here and there) and 60 reg Es for the 333. A handful of WVLs to be kept for a 337 frequency increase/spares. The 57-reg Es are all due to eventually go to AL, though when E62-66 will transfer is another question
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Post by snowman on Aug 6, 2013 16:37:00 GMT
I thought the 9 was rewarded only last year with existing buses I think the contract was September 2011 (and the VLEs were 7 years old at renewal) Not sure what will happen to them, there are some TLAs they could replace, or older TAs, otherwise probably leave the fleet. The other possibility is that LU have been awarded a tender (not yet announced) eg 7 or E3 and could use them as an interim fleet
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Post by Swadbus on Aug 6, 2013 16:54:45 GMT
23 not impossible but quite unlikely (although DNs/DNHs could go to LI, in exchange for some VNs for X/AS) 88 I reckon won't be converted, as it isn't a 'Gold Frame' service and only just got EHs a couple of months ago, but then again the same thing happened to the 24. C2 is also a good-ish candidate go to NB4L operation as well (runs with diesel buses and is 'gold framed') Gold frame routes are the buses with yellowy-gold adframes (except the 482) It's been posted on another thread that the 10m E400s often get stuck (or difficulties at the least) on the C2 between Green Park Station and Regent Street, due to parked cars. Therefore the 11m LTs will have no chance at night unless strict enforcement is in place along the relevant streets. The comment about the C2 is not accurate re: getting stuck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 17:13:16 GMT
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Post by l1group on Aug 6, 2013 17:24:03 GMT
Seen them, ruddy good fake obs. Though, I wonder why LT111? Why that, exactly? Just saying! @kizuki
Well done
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Post by l1group on Aug 6, 2013 17:26:29 GMT
I thought the 9 was rewarded only last year with existing buses I think the contract was September 2011 (and the VLEs were 7 years old at renewal) Not sure what will happen to them, there are some TLAs they could replace, or older TAs, otherwise probably leave the fleet. The other possibility is that LU have been awarded a tender (not yet announced) eg 7 or E3 and could use them as an interim fleet The VLEs did look a tad needing moving from the 9 to be honest anyway, and also they could replace older TAs. I really hope they've won E3 and use these longer dds on it - it does need the capacity at times, and Metroline West/First couldn't run the service without a lot of bunching. Metroline West did so much better than First at E3, some thought it had a new timetable!
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Post by Tangy on Aug 6, 2013 17:36:33 GMT
There has been driver training on NBfLs at Stagecoach's Plumstead depot using a borrowed bus.
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