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Post by M1104 on Aug 7, 2013 11:02:27 GMT
The C3 would be a better choice to move the E400s to for the renewed contract, releasing those 52 reg ALX400s back off lease. As for the 172, they could use the Volvos redundant off the 188, though there would only be 9 buses spare then. Older Geminis from the 188 seems silly when the 172 can use the Hybrids! The 188's Geminis are 55 reg whereas the 172's Tridents are 51/52 reg.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:15:03 GMT
The 25 would be a terrible candidate for the NB4L, mainly because of the reduced capacity they offer. There's already massive overcrowding issues on the route before you stick buses which take less people on there. Also rehoming 65 VNs won't be easy for Tower Transit given their small size as an operator. Transferring them to the 28, 31 & 328 isn't a problem. Yes, but you'd be pointlessly displacing perfectly good VNWs/VNZs - they're not particularly old and are refurbished. When a big company like Metroline or Go-Ahead or Stagecoach gets them, they've got so many older buses that need clearing out that they're never going to have trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:15:36 GMT
The 25 would be a terrible candidate for the NB4L, mainly because of the reduced capacity they offer. There's already massive overcrowding issues on the route before you stick buses which take less people on there. Also rehoming 65 VNs won't be easy for Tower Transit given their small size as an operator. Transferring them to the 28, 31 & 328 isn't a problem. Yes, but you'd be pointlessly displacing perfectly good VNWs/VNZs - they're not particularly old and are refurbished. When a big company like Metroline or Go-Ahead or Stagecoach gets them, they've got so many older buses that need clearing out that they're never going to have trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:16:36 GMT
Older Geminis from the 188 seems silly when the 172 can use the Hybrids! The 188's Geminis are 55 reg whereas the 172's Tridents are 51/52 reg. Which of the 172's Tridents are 51-reg? As far as I know the route has had to have two extra buses allocated to it and they came in the form of 9829 and 9828
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Post by M1104 on Aug 7, 2013 11:23:41 GMT
The 188's Geminis are 55 reg whereas the 172's Tridents are 51/52 reg. Which of the 172's Tridents are 51-reg? As far as I know the route has had to have two extra buses allocated to it and they came in the form of 9829 and 9828 9739 was allocated to it in the early stages, though I admit I'm not sure if it's still officially part of the 172 allocation on paper (despite being used more on the 381).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:25:05 GMT
Which of the 172's Tridents are 51-reg? As far as I know the route has had to have two extra buses allocated to it and they came in the form of 9829 and 9828 9739 was allocated to it in the early stages, though I admit I'm not sure if it's still officially part of the 172 allocation on paper (despite being used more on the 381). As far as I know only two buses were needed extra for the 172 - one to replace the one that caught fire, and one for an early PVR increase from 14 to 15.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:27:34 GMT
Leon Daniels on another group - "More than one potential [NB4L] route is also imminently in the tender programme so an award on this basis could also cause one of these routes to be announced with a start date."
I'd hazard a guess at that being the 7 and the 8.
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Post by TA1 on Aug 7, 2013 13:11:57 GMT
Then where do the VNW/VNZs go to? Be sold? Because they have been refurbished not that long ago! Could either sell them OR. Store the 65 VNs and bid for a route contract with them. I personally would convert the 26 & 30 to VNs You're ruling out the option, that the 36*** series VN's may even be leased. I agree with Mr Edd, the current stock at AS aren't in bad condition compared to some B7TL's of a similar age, also their is nothing wrong with the DN's and no company would store such an amount of buses without having a clear plan set out especially as the company needs to consider how much money is lost having a bus in store with the depreciation costs decreasing the further sale on cost of the buses, if the company doesn't obtain any new routes. Also, why would you get rid of perfectly good DN's from very suitable routes for such vehicles.
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 7, 2013 16:32:48 GMT
Older Geminis from the 188 seems silly when the 172 can use the Hybrids! The 188's Geminis are 55 reg whereas the 172's Tridents are 51/52 reg. Waste of time, because 1. The C3 is already getting new buses. 2. They are already at WL so if the 188 does get NB4L the 172 is a good choice as those Hybrids were introduced in the same year the 172 went to Abellio. There are 13 of them and the PVR is 15. Only 4 Additional Geminis will be required
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 7, 2013 16:43:40 GMT
That's what I was saying before that 172 should get the Hybrids then 3 additional Hybrids to complete its PVR and a spare. The Volvos at WL are not blinded for 172 so it means that they will have to get new blinds which makes no sense.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2013 17:48:20 GMT
That's what I was saying before that 172 should get the Hybrids then 3 additional Hybrids to complete its PVR and a spare. The Volvos at WL are not blinded for 172 so it means that they will have to get new blinds which makes no sense. So where are the spare Volvo's going to go then? - BC don't need them whilst QB don't use Volvo's anymore. It makes more sense to replace the 172's 52 reg Tridents with the Volvo's & move the 13 Enviro 400H's to QB - they can go onto the 211 and displace diesel Enviro 400's to the C3 replacing it's 52 reg Tridents. That way, QB stays clear of Volvo's and continues being an ADL garage whilst Abellio can keep costs down by not having to order new buses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 19:22:31 GMT
That's what I was saying before that 172 should get the Hybrids then 3 additional Hybrids to complete its PVR and a spare. The Volvos at WL are not blinded for 172 so it means that they will have to get new blinds which makes no sense. So where are the spare Volvo's going to go then? - BC don't need them whilst QB don't use Volvo's anymore. It makes more sense to replace the 172's 52 reg Tridents with the Volvo's & move the 13 Enviro 400H's to QB - they can go onto the 211 and displace diesel Enviro 400's to the C3 replacing it's 52 reg Tridents. That way, QB stays clear of Volvo's and continues being an ADL garage whilst Abellio can keep costs down by not having to order new buses. Unfortunately I'm doubtful they'll take the TAs off the 172 in a hurry as they're probably on a contract-length lease with a penalty for sending them back early.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2013 21:36:52 GMT
So where are the spare Volvo's going to go then? - BC don't need them whilst QB don't use Volvo's anymore. It makes more sense to replace the 172's 52 reg Tridents with the Volvo's & move the 13 Enviro 400H's to QB - they can go onto the 211 and displace diesel Enviro 400's to the C3 replacing it's 52 reg Tridents. That way, QB stays clear of Volvo's and continues being an ADL garage whilst Abellio can keep costs down by not having to order new buses. Unfortunately I'm doubtful they'll take the TAs off the 172 in a hurry as they're probably on a contract-length lease with a penalty for sending them back early. Very true, just one of those 'what if' scenarios from myself lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 21:59:25 GMT
Unfortunately I'm doubtful they'll take the TAs off the 172 in a hurry as they're probably on a contract-length lease with a penalty for sending them back early. Very true, just one of those 'what if' scenarios from myself lol. Wishful thinking from me, haha.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 8, 2013 9:29:59 GMT
Prehaps these would be used on the 96! Or the 122 *shudder* Of the PD routes, 53 is of course the obvious one, but it's always possible that it's East London drivers being trained for something like the 8, 15, 205 or similar.
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