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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2013 0:52:41 GMT
No, it is better if 172 got the Hybrids instead then Abellio order 3 more as a top up for its PVR and a spare. C3 is meant to get new buses this October. The C3's contract can be changed to existing buses so it could happen - also that way, the Volvo's stay at WL who are familiar with them and the Enviro 400H's go to QB who have their own for the 3 & 211.
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 7, 2013 0:55:28 GMT
1 min ago vjaska said: I wish that never happen because 172's Tridents are 12 years old although C3's are 11. But, it makes sense if C3 just got new buses so that matter can be pushed out of the way.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 7, 2013 1:01:31 GMT
No, it is better if 172 got the Hybrids instead then Abellio order 3 more as a top up for its PVR and a spare. C3 is meant to get new buses this October. I have been told by a reliable source that the new buses ordered will not be going onto the C3 but to another Abellio route nominated by TfL. The C3 as a result will get cascaded buses. Was told it will be the same deal with the 319 under Arriva....as was similarly done with the 87 under Go Ahead London.
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 7, 2013 1:12:49 GMT
8 mins ago M1104 said: Maybe it's because both 319 and C3 are low trunk routes and that the busier routes in its garage should get the new buses. Maybe the new buses for C3 might go to WL for 172 maybe because all the buses at QB are recent buses.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 7, 2013 1:17:17 GMT
8 mins ago M1104 said: Maybe it's because both 319 and C3 are low trunk routes and that the busier routes in its garage should get the new buses. Maybe the new buses for C3 might go to WL for 172 maybe because all the buses at QB are recent buses. It's most likely that TfL want more hybrids on certain routes and are using resources from 'other London routes' that have been awarded with new buses.
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 7, 2013 1:20:38 GMT
8 mins ago M1104 said: Like I said before, the new buses should go to WL for route 35 then C3 can get Enviro400s in return from route 35, then QB refurbish them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 1:35:06 GMT
1 min ago vjaska said: I wish that never happen because 172's Tridents are 12 years old although C3's are 11. But, it makes sense if C3 just got new buses so that matter can be pushed out of the way. The 172's Tridents are the same age as those on the C3, they're both 52-reg.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 1:38:33 GMT
No, it is better if 172 got the Hybrids instead then Abellio order 3 more as a top up for its PVR and a spare. C3 is meant to get new buses this October. Also, I think route 25 is an NB4L candidate but I wonder if they'll get them because then there will 65 redundant B9TLs which could all head to AS to convert the whole garage to B9TL operation. Also, I wonder if the NB4Ls will make a one-off appearance on route N9 so it can be promoted around the Heathrow Airport area. The 25 would be a terrible candidate for the NB4L, mainly because of the reduced capacity they offer. There's already massive overcrowding issues on the route before you stick buses which take less people on there. Also rehoming 65 VNs won't be easy for Tower Transit given their small size as an operator.
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Post by Mokujin on Aug 7, 2013 1:43:47 GMT
3 mins ago @mredd said:
I wonder how drivers or enginners do it, transferring buses here and there to other garages, sending buses away to a scrapyard or Ensign? Must be really tiring.
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Post by l1group on Aug 7, 2013 6:51:37 GMT
The VLEs did look a tad needing moving from the 9 to be honest anyway, and also they could replace older TAs. I really hope they've won E3 and use these longer dds on it - it does need the capacity at times, and Metroline West/First couldn't run the service without a lot of bunching. Metroline West did so much better than First at E3, some thought it had a new timetable! Why do they need moving from the 9? They are getting too worn out for central London service - I use the route a lot, and I have to choose between the worn out VLEs or my personal dislike of SPs between Hyde Park & Hammersmith. The refurbishment done has added a few years, but I (personally tbh) think new buses are really in store for the RM converted routes which still have their original buses, eventually. An example is the 13, 15. Converted/ing to hybrid new buses after a spell on the buses that replaced the RMs. However, there are a still few more years in them, to be honest!
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Post by l1group on Aug 7, 2013 7:55:19 GMT
Also, I think route 25 is an NB4L candidate but I wonder if they'll get them because then there will 65 redundant B9TLs which could all head to AS to convert the whole garage to B9TL operation. Also, I wonder if the NB4Ls will make a one-off appearance on route N9 so it can be promoted around the Heathrow Airport area. 25 - it would be one of the most difficult conversions for Tower Transit if that happened The N9 - I've always hoped an ADE would go on the route, but the LT at Heathrow Airport, that'd be very interesting! I wonder how it would be publicised? It next to an Airbus A380 of BA? (we wish!)
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 7, 2013 7:59:25 GMT
No, it is better if 172 got the Hybrids instead then Abellio order 3 more as a top up for its PVR and a spare. C3 is meant to get new buses this October. Also, I think route 25 is an NB4L candidate but I wonder if they'll get them because then there will 65 redundant B9TLs which could all head to AS to convert the whole garage to B9TL operation. Also, I wonder if the NB4Ls will make a one-off appearance on route N9 so it can be promoted around the Heathrow Airport area. The 25 would be a terrible candidate for the NB4L, mainly because of the reduced capacity they offer. There's already massive overcrowding issues on the route before you stick buses which take less people on there. Also rehoming 65 VNs won't be easy for Tower Transit given their small size as an operator. Transferring them to the 28, 31 & 328 isn't a problem.
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Post by l1group on Aug 7, 2013 8:02:09 GMT
The 25 would be a terrible candidate for the NB4L, mainly because of the reduced capacity they offer. There's already massive overcrowding issues on the route before you stick buses which take less people on there. Also rehoming 65 VNs won't be easy for Tower Transit given their small size as an operator. Transferring them to the 28, 31 & 328 isn't a problem. Then where do the VNW/VNZs go to? Be sold? Because they have been refurbished not that long ago!
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 7, 2013 10:51:13 GMT
I'm suprised at how 390 is getting NB4Ls as it is not really a relevant route to it. Im thinking route 15 may get them, then the current Hybrids on it can go on to route 8. But I think route 188 should get it as it has connections with the O2 and Central London, then the current Hybrids on the route can make a part Hybrid allocation on route 35, then put some of 35's Enviro400s on route 172 to oust those 51-reg ALX400s. . The C3 would be a better choice to move the E400s to for the renewed contract, releasing those 52 reg ALX400s back off lease. As for the 172, they could use the Volvos redundant off the 188, though there would only be 9 buses spare then. So what would replace those? Older Geminis from the 188 seems silly when the 172 can use the Hybrids!
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 7, 2013 10:52:45 GMT
Transferring them to the 28, 31 & 328 isn't a problem. Then where do the VNW/VNZs go to? Be sold? Because they have been refurbished not that long ago! Could either sell them OR. Store the 65 VNs and bid for a route contract with them. I personally would convert the 26 & 30 to VNs
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