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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2013 15:35:38 GMT
I've never noticed the 208 exceptionally crowded. The 96 only seems to get overcrowded at Bluewater at busy times. The 484 gets overcrowded because it cannot accomodate any larger buses as does the 336. The 162 needs a frequency increase. Seems just a bunch of routes plucked at random, apart from the 38 I don't think any are suitable for NB4L operation. I don't travel in that part of London so wouldn't really know was just going by what routes ITV put up in that article and remember reading on here a few weeks back somewhere that 208's were always packed since they got rid of the overlap a couple years back , i do think some "outer-suburban" routes should get the NB4L as it was promoted in a lot of outer suburban areas like Romford and Bromley etc . Considering that the NBfL doesn't even meet the minimum capacity set out by TfL, is it not asking for trouble by putting them on busy routes like the 208? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 15:36:38 GMT
Hoping for the 29!
Though the X68 could be quite cruel ... or something obscure like the W10 to really give people a shock.
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Post by Paul on Oct 30, 2013 16:35:58 GMT
I've never noticed the 208 exceptionally crowded I have........... |
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Oct 30, 2013 16:45:03 GMT
I'd have thought the 29, 73 and 149 would be good shouts for conversion
I could never see the bus on the W3 for example haha!
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Post by TEH1111 on Oct 30, 2013 16:54:52 GMT
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Post by smiler52 on Oct 30, 2013 16:59:38 GMT
188 or 211 for Abellio? 23 for Tower Transit? i would go with you on the 23 188 i don’t no maybe 211 for some reason i don’t think it will be a route getting nb4l i may be wrong |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 30, 2013 17:28:56 GMT
I've never noticed the 208 exceptionally crowded. The 96 only seems to get overcrowded at Bluewater at busy times. The 484 gets overcrowded because it cannot accomodate any larger buses as does the 336. The 162 needs a frequency increase. Seems just a bunch of routes plucked at random, apart from the 38 I don't think any are suitable for NB4L operation. For goodness sake - the routes shown as "overcrowded" were the result of submissions sent in by the public. There is no suggestion that this is a definitive or statistically robust list. It is just what the public sent into the Assembly's investigation. And to answer a comment later on - it is not ITV's list but one from the Assembly's report. All ITV and the Evening Standard have done today is pick up the press release and turn it into a passable news item. We can all sit here and come up with our own lists of busy routes based on our own experiences of using buses but our lists would be very unlikely to be accurate or genuinely representative of reality. |
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Post by Hassaan on Oct 30, 2013 17:47:41 GMT
I think we also have the problem of defining what exactly constitutes as "overcrowding" - some people might consider all seats to be taken but standing room available to be overcrowding, while for others it could be routes with with passengers regularly standing next to the windscreen. For this issue to be solved there needs to be a statistically robust way of measuring overcrowding, e.g. at least 50% of buses between 8-10am have around 75 or more passengers per bus, and this would need to be repeated over a fairly long period of time (e.g. 1 month, the longer the better) and at different times in a day and/or week. The problem is, for it to be statistically reliable, it would cost a lot of money, as you need to pay those standing at bus stops monitoring, those reviewing the data collected, etc.
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 30, 2013 19:30:06 GMT
Anyone got any ideas? I am hoping for My Local Route 15? Not sure if you already know, but the 148 was not long ago officially announced for conversion, due in mid-February. So far the trend of routes being converting are ones that mainly serve the old bus zone one. This puts routes like the 19, 88 and C2 as possible nominees. Stockwell's LT on route 11 interestingly include the 88 on their blindsets. *makes note of 88 on SW blinds* Interesting!...  |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 30, 2013 19:35:31 GMT
I've never noticed the 208 exceptionally crowded. The 96 only seems to get overcrowded at Bluewater at busy times. The 484 gets overcrowded because it cannot accomodate any larger buses as does the 336. The 162 needs a frequency increase. Seems just a bunch of routes plucked at random, apart from the 38 I don't think any are suitable for NB4L operation. For goodness sake - the routes shown as "overcrowded" were the result of submissions sent in by the public. There is no suggestion that this is a definitive or statistically robust list. It is just what the public sent into the Assembly's investigation. And to answer a comment later on - it is not ITV's list but one from the Assembly's report. All ITV and the Evening Standard have done today is pick up the press release and turn it into a passable news item. We can all sit here and come up with our own lists of busy routes based on our own experiences of using buses but our lists would be very unlikely to be accurate or genuinely representative of reality. I nominated the 96 *blush*. Generally I find it's busy most of the time, particularly east of Bexleyheath, and on its short solo section on Upper Wickham Lane. It's not an NBfL candidate though...  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 19:37:14 GMT
Route 15 will be getting New Bus For London from the 29th of March 2014.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 30, 2013 19:49:55 GMT
I think we also have the problem of defining what exactly constitutes as "overcrowding" - some people might consider all seats to be taken but standing room available to be overcrowding, while for others it could be routes with with passengers regularly standing next to the windscreen. For this issue to be solved there needs to be a statistically robust way of measuring overcrowding, e.g. at least 50% of buses between 8-10am have around 75 or more passengers per bus, and this would need to be repeated over a fairly long period of time (e.g. 1 month, the longer the better) and at different times in a day and/or week. The problem is, for it to be statistically reliable, it would cost a lot of money, as you need to pay those standing at bus stops monitoring, those reviewing the data collected, etc. Buses carrying 75 people in the peak would not be overcrowded though would they? They're only 84% full (for a capacity of 87 people on a double decker). They might not be terribly pleasant to travel on but they're not full. Overcrowded suggests buses carrying more than maximum capacity which we know happens on a daily basis because there is nothing a driver can do to be certain that a bus is under, at or over the stated capacity. Buses can seem overcrowded if people decide to stand downstairs rather than take seats upstairs or if they crowd near the front of a bus rather than move down. My view is that overcrowding applies when buses turn up at stops and are unable to take on any more passengers or where they stop and only partially clear the waiting queue of people. This assumes, of course, that people have occupied all the seats on the bus and not simply crowded near the doors preventing people boarding. The other problem here is that different groups of passengers will have differing perceptions of overcrowding. Mums with buggies will consider a bus overcrowded if they can't board with their child, a pensioner may consider a bus overcrowded if they cannot get to a convenient seat etc. I'm not sure how a measure could really cope with these different perceptions and concerns. I think TfL will really struggle to come up with any sort of sensible and reliable of "bus busyness" (or overcrowding) that will really reflect what the passenger experiences. I do think an alternative approach would be to have discussions with bus drivers at their depots - they know what routes are busy, when and where on the route. It would also allow drivers to give more general feedback. |
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Post by I-Azusio-I on Oct 30, 2013 20:00:24 GMT
Route 15 will be getting New Bus For London from the 29th of March 2014. Please provide a Source |
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Post by smiler52 on Oct 30, 2013 20:29:58 GMT
Route 15 will be getting New Bus For London from the 29th of March 2014. Please provide a Source is hp ok or has it got to be heinz sorry |
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Post by Connor on Oct 30, 2013 20:40:07 GMT
is hp ok or has it got to be heinz sorry Huh?? Source, sauce, get it?  |
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