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Post by LX09FBJ on Oct 30, 2013 20:50:40 GMT
Please provide a Source  is hp ok or has it got to be heinz sorry Lol! |
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Post by smiler52 on Oct 30, 2013 22:59:08 GMT
sorry if its been said what about the 148 getting nb4l the sp's must be due to be replaced soon
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Post by I-Azusio-I on Oct 30, 2013 23:22:46 GMT
sorry if its been said what about the 148 getting nb4l the sp's must be due to be replaced soon The 148 is getting NB4L on 15th February 2014. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 9:05:39 GMT
Scania's from the 148 will apparently be used on the E3
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Post by sw11simon on Nov 1, 2013 8:06:27 GMT
I've never noticed the 208 exceptionally crowded. The 96 only seems to get overcrowded at Bluewater at busy times. The 484 gets overcrowded because it cannot accomodate any larger buses as does the 336. The 162 needs a frequency increase. Seems just a bunch of routes plucked at random, apart from the 38 I don't think any are suitable for NB4L operation. For goodness sake - the routes shown as "overcrowded" were the result of submissions sent in by the public. There is no suggestion that this is a definitive or statistically robust list. It is just what the public sent into the Assembly's investigation. And to answer a comment later on - it is not ITV's list but one from the Assembly's report. All ITV and the Evening Standard have done today is pick up the press release and turn it into a passable news item. We can all sit here and come up with our own lists of busy routes based on our own experiences of using buses but our lists would be very unlikely to be accurate or genuinely representative of reality. Indeed, like most people in the world I do not have a daily experience of many bus routes to make this judgement. However I used to drive the 185 - very surprised to see this top of the overcrowded list. The only bit of this route I would say there is generally a capacity issue is through Dulwich to Denmark Hill Station in the morning peak, where the combined 176/185 tend to come through very full. The 40 mops it up but I can understand there would sometimes be frustration from people specifically wanting a 185. The only other point I vaguely experience crowding was when I was unlucky enough to start at Victoria in the middle of a gap in the 36/436. |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 1, 2013 12:39:34 GMT
Whoa - I have never seen that 'Biohazard Banner' before, re new posters  Pls don't put these on the 149, it will re-create the 'free bus' situation that occurred with the Bendies Though if the route is converted, the displaced DW's could force the VLAs South or to the Provinces |
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Post by mondraker275 on Nov 1, 2013 14:57:29 GMT
www.itv.com/news/london/2013-10-30/overcrowding-on-londons-buses-set-to-get-worse Having just read this maybe some of these routes should be converted to the New bus 208 and 185 maybe as that was the main reason for introducing the bus to make journeys faster and less crowded ? and as for the route 8 i would of thought that turn from Parnell Road in to Tredegar Road before the a12 would have been very tight for such a long bus saying that though having traveled on some essex routes lately you would be suprised at what a 12m vehicle let alone a 11.3m vehicle can get through . Why is the 25 not on the list as the most crowded? Probably shows that the surveys where skewed and mainly from South East. They should have used actual TfL data and did some Maths and 25 would have come top. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 1, 2013 16:12:14 GMT
www.itv.com/news/london/2013-10-30/overcrowding-on-londons-buses-set-to-get-worse Having just read this maybe some of these routes should be converted to the New bus 208 and 185 maybe as that was the main reason for introducing the bus to make journeys faster and less crowded ? and as for the route 8 i would of thought that turn from Parnell Road in to Tredegar Road before the a12 would have been very tight for such a long bus saying that though having traveled on some essex routes lately you would be suprised at what a 12m vehicle let alone a 11.3m vehicle can get through . Why is the 25 not on the list as the most crowded? Probably shows that the surveys where skewed and mainly from South East. They should have used actual TfL data and did some Maths and 25 would have come top. < sigh > There are two lists in the report. If only people bothered to read them! One list does use TfL's data and route 25 is shown in number one position as the *busiest* route. Busiest does not necessarily equate to most overcrowded. The "overcrowded" list was based entirely on subjective information sent in by those who decided to respond to the on line survey. There is no way that a self selected set of data is in any way representative of reality. It is just what the people who responded feel about the bus routes they use. Other than mild bemusement I would put no weight on the "overcrowded" list. Members on this group have already had a lengthy discussion about the merits or otherwise of the 208 and 320 and why the 208 can become overcrowded. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 17:16:31 GMT
Scania's from the 148 will apparently be used on the E3 there has been a notice at Stamford Brook saying they're getting new buses |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Nov 1, 2013 18:16:25 GMT
Scania's from the 148 will apparently be used on the E3 there has been a notice at Stamford Brook saying they're getting new buses SPs will probably push out older stock plus could convert 49 fully SP and TV fully VE/VLE on the double deck front |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 19:29:37 GMT
Scania's from the 148 will apparently be used on the E3 there has been a notice at Stamford Brook saying they're getting new buses 281 must be looking like a prime candidate then |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 20:56:38 GMT
I just heard that the 148 will have no conductors on the route.
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Note use of the word 'reportedly' therefore don't assume it is FACT yet.
I am sure all will be revealed shortly.....
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Post by greeny253 on Nov 2, 2013 11:36:16 GMT
www.itv.com/news/london/2013-10-30/overcrowding-on-londons-buses-set-to-get-worse Having just read this maybe some of these routes should be converted to the New bus 208 and 185 maybe as that was the main reason for introducing the bus to make journeys faster and less crowded ? and as for the route 8 i would of thought that turn from Parnell Road in to Tredegar Road before the a12 would have been very tight for such a long bus saying that though having traveled on some essex routes lately you would be suprised at what a 12m vehicle let alone a 11.3m vehicle can get through . Why is the 25 not on the list as the most crowded? Probably shows that the surveys where skewed and mainly from South East. They should have used actual TfL data and did some Maths and 25 would have come top. Some (but I stress not all!) of the 25's issues with loadings could be helped if the service controllers did something to stop 3 or 4 buses following each other down the road and then having a gap of 10 minutes on a 4 minute headway. If we did that at Bow on ANY of our routes then at least one driver would be on report. The mileage figures for the 25 also speak for themselves - the route is way under target. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:02:26 GMT
Why is the 25 not on the list as the most crowded? Probably shows that the surveys where skewed and mainly from South East. They should have used actual TfL data and did some Maths and 25 would have come top. Some (but I stress not all!) of the 25's issues with loadings could be helped if the service controllers did something to stop 3 or 4 buses following each other down the road and then having a gap of 10 minutes on a 4 minute headway. If we did that at Bow on ANY of our routes then at least one driver would be on report. The mileage figures for the 25 also speak for themselves - the route is way under target. I wouldn't be surprised with the amount of buses that I see sitting at Bow Church half the time. Some go into service while the other one is used as a Meal Relief bus. |
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Post by greeny253 on Nov 2, 2013 23:05:12 GMT
Some (but I stress not all!) of the 25's issues with loadings could be helped if the service controllers did something to stop 3 or 4 buses following each other down the road and then having a gap of 10 minutes on a 4 minute headway. If we did that at Bow on ANY of our routes then at least one driver would be on report. The mileage figures for the 25 also speak for themselves - the route is way under target. I wouldn't be surprised with the amount of buses that I see sitting at Bow Church half the time. Some go into service while the other one is used as a Meal Relief bus. Agreed. Even looking at it from the point of view of someone in the industry, the operation of the 25 can be terrible some days. I get that delays happen and understand the issues a driver coming off late for his/her relief can cause but for it to happen more or less every day doesn't create a good impression of the service. |
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