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Post by vjaska on Oct 29, 2023 20:13:53 GMT
what are the plans for the LTs that were temporarily on the 111? Aren’t they on the H32 and also back on the 415? The H32 took it's required amount and most made their way back to QB though 415 still sees mixed LT & MMC use. Some are still allocated to the 111 covering some Electroliners that are temporarily part of the C3 until it's own Electroliners arrive |
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Post by Max B on Oct 29, 2023 20:41:15 GMT
Is Sutton the only borough to have not had LTs ever serving it in regular service? I believe the 293 had some school extras during Covid using LTs and maybe the odd one has appeared on the N44 but as far as I know they have otherwise never been used in Sutton. None have ever appeared on the N44 to my knowledge (including any odd/special workings). LT424 did a 58 minute working on it on the morning of 1st December 2019. 🤔 |
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Post by paulo on Oct 29, 2023 20:49:02 GMT
Aren’t they on the H32 and also back on the 415? The H32 took it's required amount and most made their way back to QB though 415 still sees mixed LT & MMC use. Some are still allocated to the 111 covering some Electroliners that are temporarily part of the C3 until it's own Electroliners arrive Abellio must have 10-15 too many LTs now. Must hurt from a leasing cost perspective. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 29, 2023 22:02:05 GMT
The H32 took it's required amount and most made their way back to QB though 415 still sees mixed LT & MMC use. Some are still allocated to the 111 covering some Electroliners that are temporarily part of the C3 until its own Electroliners arrive Abellio must have 10-15 too many LTs now. Must hurt from a leasing cost perspective. Not really as I was always under the impression that the LTs were only leased a nominal price rather than standard leasing terms. Edit: In fact it is just £1 per year, per vehicle paid on June 1st annually according to the attached. content.tfl.gov.uk/new-bus-for-london-lease-agreement.pdf |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 29, 2023 22:27:01 GMT
Abellio must have 10-15 too many LTs now. Must hurt from a leasing cost perspective. Not really as I was always under the impression that the LTs were only leased a nominal price rather than standard leasing terms. Edit: In fact it is just £1 per year, per vehicle paid on June 1st annually according to the attached. content.tfl.gov.uk/new-bus-for-london-lease-agreement.pdf I never understand how operators are allowed to keep hold of such a generous amount of spare LTs when TfL could be using these on tenders elsewhere. |
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Post by paulo on Oct 29, 2023 22:30:21 GMT
Not really as I was always under the impression that the LTs were only leased a nominal price rather than standard leasing terms. Edit: In fact it is just £1 per year, per vehicle paid on June 1st annually according to the attached. content.tfl.gov.uk/new-bus-for-london-lease-agreement.pdf I never understand how operators are allowed to keep hold of such a generous amount of spare LTs when TfL could be using these on tenders elsewhere. Pretty much sums TFL up. How is that delivering value for money for the London taxpayer. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 29, 2023 22:32:04 GMT
Not really as I was always under the impression that the LTs were only leased a nominal price rather than standard leasing terms. Edit: In fact it is just £1 per year, per vehicle paid on June 1st annually according to the attached. content.tfl.gov.uk/new-bus-for-london-lease-agreement.pdf I never understand how operators are allowed to keep hold of such a generous amount of spare LTs when TfL could be using these on tenders elsewhere. Perhaps TfL aren’t open to new route conversions and operators aren’t willing to bid with them. It’s probably cheaper for TfL to just leave them where they are and collect a few pounds on them and keep them on their books as an asset they can leverage for loan collateral etc. If the operators aren’t holding them then TfL would have to find storage, maintenance staff and drivers to keep them operational. But I agree they should be used if operators are just holding on to them. |
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 29, 2023 22:56:22 GMT
Perhaps TfL aren’t open to new route conversions and operators aren’t willing to bid with them. The upcoming H98 tender should make it apparent whether they are open to new route conversions - it makes perfect sense to convert it to LTs as it can use the 9's current allocation (with a PVR one less than the 9), and its current buses are not compliant for another contract. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 2, 2023 20:15:01 GMT
LTs are increasing daily on the 5 - Even now there are 18 out. This has been increasing steadily the last few days so think the 5 is 99.9% certain to be converting ahead of the imminent tender award.
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 3, 2023 10:45:32 GMT
LTs are increasing daily on the 5 - Even now there are 18 out. This has been increasing steadily the last few days so think the 5 is 99.9% certain to be converting ahead of the imminent tender award. Alot of fresh repainted red ones too . |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 4, 2023 4:45:23 GMT
Perhaps TfL aren’t open to new route conversions and operators aren’t willing to bid with them. The upcoming H98 tender should make it apparent whether they are open to new route conversions - it makes perfect sense to convert it to LTs as it can use the 9's current allocation (with a PVR one less than the 9), and its current buses are not compliant for another contract. At this rate, Metroline could keep LTs off routes 16/168/332 for route 9, while RATP transfer it's own route 9 LTs to route H98. Admittedly its conversion from SP to ADE would prove a short-term type for the route. |
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Post by HV92 on Nov 14, 2023 15:24:57 GMT
I wonder if LT’s could be used on new route SL1?
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Post by yunus on Nov 14, 2023 17:16:08 GMT
5th Driver on the 56 today mentioned the route going LT.
If it was just canteen gossip would it the talks really get that far I do not know!
Wish someone from Stagecoach could confirm whether true or not, cos I am getting a tad worked up not that it will change the result.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 14, 2023 17:39:51 GMT
5th Driver on the 56 today mentioned the route going LT. If it was just canteen gossip would it the talks really get that far I do not know! Wish someone from Stagecoach could confirm whether true or not, cos I am getting a tad worked up not that it will change the result. 5 drivers out of how many hundreds? I assume you bring the subject up with them? sometimes drivers can pick up on things and might just be on a wind up or like to create gossip.
You really shouldn't get so worked up over bus types.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 14, 2023 17:44:45 GMT
5th Driver on the 56 today mentioned the route going LT. If it was just canteen gossip would it the talks really get that far I do not know! Wish someone from Stagecoach could confirm whether true or not, cos I am getting a tad worked up not that it will change the result. Whilst its not implausible I just can't see it happening due to the current buses being too old to realistically be redeployed yet have been refurbed for the contract. If anything the 257 out to tender would be a more likely home if Stagecoach have any spare LTs. |
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