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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 21, 2013 16:37:16 GMT
TFL have never allowed buses older than 8 years old on a new tender so they wont be used for the 415 in 2015.
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Post by I-Azusio-I on Nov 21, 2013 17:41:37 GMT
I think the 88 could convert as it dosent penetrate outside C London that much as where it does its quite a popular destination anyway, Clapham Common. The 188 i doubt would its goes to far outside the central area. Seems crazy all the work done to the 159s VLAs as the contract ends in Dec 2015 as i cant see the route getting anextension plus i would not be surprised if the 319's HVs didnt end up on there anyway. I don't think the work on the VLA is "crazy" as they will still be utilised within Arriva London in one way or another, not to mention the benefits of reduced air pollution. In any case, TfL want all London buses up to at least euro4 engine emission by 2015. As for the 188, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the route gets converted for the tourism publicity of travelling between London and the O2 on a 'London bus'. I don't know how busy the route is on a general basis as I have only done it once when Q and SW shared it. 188 could do with NB4Ls, the route is very busy on weekdays and weekends mostly between North Greenwich - Canada Water, Bricklayers Arms - Russell Square. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 21, 2013 18:36:01 GMT
I don't think the work on the VLA is "crazy" as they will still be utilised within Arriva London in one way or another, not to mention the benefits of reduced air pollution. In any case, TfL want all London buses up to at least euro4 engine emission by 2015. As for the 188, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the route gets converted for the tourism publicity of travelling between London and the O2 on a 'London bus'. I don't know how busy the route is on a general basis as I have only done it once when Q and SW shared it. 188 could do with NB4Ls, the route is very busy on weekdays and weekends mostly between North Greenwich - Canada Water, Bricklayers Arms - Russell Square. Considering the NBfL capacity doesn't even meet the minimum requirement unlike standard buses, any busy route is simply not suited to them. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Nov 21, 2013 18:56:41 GMT
TFL have never allowed buses older than 8 years old on a new tender so they wont be used for the 415 in 2015. Not particularly true as the DLAs were awarded in 2008 for the route were way older than 8 years when they got used for the contract and also the 55 reg VLAs are getting upgraded to Euro 5 standards so I don't think TfL would have a problem with them being used for a new contract. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Nov 21, 2013 19:00:44 GMT
Here are the routes that I think are going to be converted: 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 19, 22, 38, 73, 74, 94, 98, 139, 159, 436 (maybe) and 453. This due to the tourist attractions that these routes pass and because they have euro 3 vehicles. 6 has been already tested and failed its route test. I doubt 12, 38, 73, 436 and 453 will get NB4L due to the fare evasions and high rates of crime when these routes were bendy routes. I don't think TfL want another situation like this |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 19:44:31 GMT
Here are the routes that I think are going to be converted: 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 19, 22, 38, 73, 74, 94, 98, 139, 159, 436 (maybe) and 453. This due to the tourist attractions that these routes pass and because they have euro 3 vehicles. 6 has been already tested and failed its route test. I doubt 12, 38, 73, 436 and 453 will get NB4L due to the fare evasions and high rates of crime when these routes were bendy routes. I don't think TfL want another situation like this The 38 is already partly NBFL's since 27th February 2012 because its the testing ground for the services operated by the prototypes. You forgot to list route 25 as well.  |
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Post by COBO on Nov 21, 2013 20:37:21 GMT
Here are the routes that I think are going to be converted: 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 19, 22, 38, 73, 74, 94, 98, 139, 159, 436 (maybe) and 453. This due to the tourist attractions that these routes pass and because they have euro 3 vehicles. 6 has been already tested and failed its route test. I doubt 12, 38, 73, 436 and 453 will get NB4L due to the fare evasions and high rates of crime when these routes were bendy routes. I don't think TfL want another situation like this Yes but TFL could reroute the 6 to convert it to NBFL. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 21, 2013 20:44:30 GMT
6 has been already tested and failed its route test. I doubt 12, 38, 73, 436 and 453 will get NB4L due to the fare evasions and high rates of crime when these routes were bendy routes. I don't think TfL want another situation like this Yes but TFL could reroute the 6 to convert it to NBFL. The 6 would probably require too much in the way of change. Re. the 188 : I wouldn't be surprised to see this converted. It's a busy service, and I have a feeling TfL won't be able to resist the charms of seeing NBfL at Greenwich and the O2. But, of course, time will tell..... |
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Post by COBO on Nov 21, 2013 20:50:26 GMT
Yes but TFL could reroute the 6 to convert it to NBFL. The 6 would probably require too much in the way of change. Re. the 188 : I wouldn't be surprised to see this converted. It's a busy service, and I have a feeling TfL won't be able to resist the charms of seeing NBfL at Greenwich and the O2. But, of course, time will tell..... But NBFLs have less capacity than the standard double decker and I think they will be unsuitable for busy routes like the 188. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 21, 2013 21:06:02 GMT
Here are the routes that I think are going to be converted: 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 19, 22, 38, 73, 74, 94, 98, 139, 159, 436 (maybe) and 453. This due to the tourist attractions that these routes pass and because they have euro 3 vehicles. 6 has been already tested and failed its route test. I doubt 12, 38, 73, 436 and 453 will get NB4L due to the fare evasions and high rates of crime when these routes were bendy routes. I don't think TfL want another situation like this Also the 38 already has prototypes and so I wouldn't be surprised if had a full conversion. |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 21, 2013 21:20:30 GMT
Here are the routes that I think are going to be converted: 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 19, 22, 38, 73, 74, 94, 98, 139, 159, 436 (maybe) and 453. This due to the tourist attractions that these routes pass and because they have euro 3 vehicles. All the old RML routes then? If the powers that be are worried about LTs on sharp corners, ask Wrights to knock up a dolly that can be pulled/pushed 'round the relevant corners "Simples" |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 11:50:26 GMT
I asked Boris on Twitter about rolling the NBFL to suburban routes.
This is his response.
Then I cracked lot of people up with laughter with my response to his reply!
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Post by snoggle on Nov 25, 2013 13:59:40 GMT
Freebbc - you do realise that the Mayor's answer is so vague that it could mean anything don't you? Just because " the genes of the NB4L are spread amongst the wider bus fleet " (or words to that effect) does not mean that they'll run in the suburbs. It could also mean that it is not the NB4L itself but aspects of its design like the hybrid drive that Boris is referring to. Still well done on getting a response. The Mayor has never answered any of my tweets to him during an Askboris session but then I ask nasty awkward questions that he doesn't want to answer.   |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 25, 2013 16:53:25 GMT
Was just thinking the same thing regarding the breed extending to the suburbs. It could simply mean that they may be introduced to some night routes, like for example the N3 or N87 (if their day variants were converted).
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Post by T.R. on Nov 25, 2013 22:39:19 GMT
How far out do you have to go before an area is classed as "suburban"?
Zone 2/3?
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