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Post by M1104 on Apr 28, 2014 20:44:14 GMT
Am I right in reading that Ensign are providing 100 buses!? I am guessing with these 100 + extras from London operators there will be a lot more buses than the last strike? Have Stagecoach brought in extras from outside London? I wonder where they can find an extra 150 buses from? It's past the Easter holidays so it's not as if school fleets are sitting around doing nothing. Leasing firms like Dawson rentals could hire out some of their ex London stock which may just be sitting around waiting for a new home.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 28, 2014 21:17:17 GMT
Am I right in reading that Ensign are providing 100 buses!? I am guessing with these 100 + extras from London operators there will be a lot more buses than the last strike? Have Stagecoach brought in extras from outside London? I think Ensign are providing 31 of their own buses. The "vintage fleet" is apparently on the 15 and 38 this time. The Bendy coaches on the 25. As happened last time they have taken the lead in organising a load of other vehicles from operators (70 or so). TfL are saying there will be 250 extra buses this time which seems to be quite a hike up from previous strikes. I imagine the difference will be whatever the big groups can pull in and staff themselves. I wonder where they can find an extra 150 buses from? It's past the Easter holidays so it's not as if school fleets are sitting around doing nothing. Most probably they will be provincial buses being drafted otherwise I'm unsure as well.
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Post by daveb0789 on Apr 28, 2014 22:11:10 GMT
Bus drivers have no solidarity. That's why their pay is low compared to tube workers. Blacklegs driving rail replacement vehicles prove that point.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 29, 2014 1:27:59 GMT
Bus drivers have no solidarity. That's why their pay is low compared to tube workers. Blacklegs driving rail replacement vehicles prove that point. Or bus drivers aren't greedy.
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Post by paulsw2 on Apr 29, 2014 3:25:39 GMT
Bus drivers have no solidarity. That's why their pay is low compared to tube workers. Blacklegs driving rail replacement vehicles prove that point. Or bus drivers aren't greedy. Greed is nothing to do with this industrial action it is to do with keeping the Underground safely staffed at all times
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Post by snowman on Apr 29, 2014 5:10:15 GMT
Am I right in reading that Ensign are providing 100 buses!? I am guessing with these 100 + extras from London operators there will be a lot more buses than the last strike? Have Stagecoach brought in extras from outside London? I think Ensign are providing 31 of their own buses. The "vintage fleet" is apparently on the 15 and 38 this time. The Bendy coaches on the 25. As happened last time they have taken the lead in organising a load of other vehicles from operators (70 or so). TfL are saying there will be 250 extra buses this time which seems to be quite a hike up from previous strikes. I imagine the difference will be whatever the big groups can pull in and staff themselves. I wonder where they can find an extra 150 buses from? It's past the Easter holidays so it's not as if school fleets are sitting around doing nothing. London United have 20-30 buses between roles (was 10, will be E3) plus some spare TAs (and if really desperate the K50 fleet) Arriva have a few LTs already delivered, and plenty of stood down ones eg DLAs which haven't left yet Stagecoach have some newly delivered buses (and old ones haven't left yet) Metroline haven't yet disposed of some of its recent withdrawals pending arrival of new buses Abellio have a few buses stored (but might not be licenced) Probably comes to 100+ before bringing in provincial fleets, although some might be unlicenced so might be less in reality
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Post by smoothcriminal on Apr 29, 2014 6:40:16 GMT
Or bus drivers aren't greedy. Greed is nothing to do with this industrial action it is to do with keeping the Underground safely staffed at all times Lol you've been sucked in by RMT's propaganda. Strikes because those lazy ticket office staff don't want to come out into the cold. How is it more safe for a staff member to be sat on their arse in a ticket office than by the barriers or on a platform WITH CUSTOMERS?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 7:19:54 GMT
Greed is nothing to do with this industrial action it is to do with keeping the Underground safely staffed at all times Lol you've been sucked in by RMT's propaganda. Strikes because those lazy ticket office staff don't want to come out into the cold. How is it more safe for a staff member to be sat on their arse in a ticket office than by the barriers or on a platform WITH CUSTOMERS? How is it safe to not have any staff at all?
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Post by smoothcriminal on Apr 29, 2014 7:42:12 GMT
This is the rubbish RMT spout when all I've heard from tfl press releases is no complusory redundancies all stations to be manned? How is having someone at a gate or on a platform not safer than having someone hide behind a glass window in a ticket office? I just don't understand it.
Just to add extras on 8 and 205 today so far
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 29, 2014 8:31:36 GMT
Bus drivers have no solidarity. That's why their pay is low compared to tube workers. Blacklegs driving rail replacement vehicles prove that point. ...and here was I thinking that most people would have admiration for what Ensignbus and others are doing helping to get people around more easily. Whatever your views on the strike (and both sides have salient points), attitudes like this are far more likely to make people side with LU, hardly what the union wants...
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 29, 2014 8:55:08 GMT
The 267 is struggling like Joey Essex in a spelling contest 35 metres in 10 minutes... trying to get to Hammersmith from Brentford... the road's a carpark
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 9:10:57 GMT
RTL453 & RMC1485 on the 15
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Post by vjaska on Apr 29, 2014 9:23:18 GMT
Or bus drivers aren't greedy. Greed is nothing to do with this industrial action it is to do with keeping the Underground safely staffed at all times I know, I was throwing a general point out considering the amount of times LU staff strike compared to the bus staff. Despite myself preferring to still have ticket offices, I don't accept the argument regarding that stations won't be safely staffed as there are no job losses involved - that's how I've read it anyway.
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Post by daveb0789 on Apr 29, 2014 9:29:02 GMT
Greed is nothing to do with this industrial action it is to do with keeping the Underground safely staffed at all times I know, I was throwing a general point out considering the amount of times LU staff strike compared to the bus staff. Despite myself preferring to still have ticket offices, I don't accept the argument regarding that stations won't be safely staffed as there are no job losses involved - that's how I've read it anyway. You don't accept any arguments where rail staff are concerned anyway. The history of your posts has shown you to be anti rail staff through and through. I'm not going to be a black leg and drive a rail replacement bus on my day off. I've got better things to do with my time.
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Post by daveb0789 on Apr 29, 2014 9:30:33 GMT
Bus drivers have no solidarity. That's why their pay is low compared to tube workers. Blacklegs driving rail replacement vehicles prove that point. ...and here was I thinking that most people would have admiration for what Ensignbus and others are doing helping to get people around more easily. Whatever your views on the strike (and both sides have salient points), attitudes like this are far more likely to make people side with LU, hardly what the union wants... In France when one group of workers go on strike, the whole lot goes on strike.
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