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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 29, 2014 15:13:41 GMT
Stratford is the front page of the Standard this afternoon, and there is also a picture of at least 4 25s in a line
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Post by titan1mike on Apr 29, 2014 15:37:09 GMT
SEN34 on route 167 with A4 paper in font,VLA126&134 being used as extras between The Lowe and Ilford.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 15:44:12 GMT
Lol you've been sucked in by RMT's propaganda. Strikes because those lazy ticket office staff don't want to come out into the cold. How is it more safe for a staff member to be sat on their arse in a ticket office than by the barriers or on a platform WITH CUSTOMERS? As a member of A.S.L.E.F we are not involved in this dispute but the simple matter is ticket office staff are safety critical licensed to deal with one unders station evacuations and other operational incidents having 900 fewer staff on the stations WILL have a detrimental affect on customer safety if stations need to be evacuated because of an incident. i.e. terrorism unsafe building etc and on the smaller stations down to a single member of staff how can they be in 2 places at once. National Rail network handles it quite well ... Are LU staff not up to the same standards?
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Post by daveb0789 on Apr 29, 2014 15:48:52 GMT
I understand what you are saying and you are right but when has sympathy got anyone anywhere ? No - passengers hate rail staff with a vengeance and would love nothing more than for them to lose their jobs and the whole lot automated or for salaries to be cut. As a former London bus driver who drives main line trains into London, even my former colleagues hate me and ridicule the railways ... What ridiculous comments...................why do the public "hate rail staff with a vengeance"? How are bus drivers working on extras "blacklegs"? Your former colleagues hate you? Now that I can believe 1) because train fares are so high and they believe that to be a result of overpaid staff and 2) it just shows some people will do anything for a bit of extra cash. Why can you believe my former colleagues hate me ? By the way I still drive PCVs from time to time .....
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 29, 2014 16:28:02 GMT
What ridiculous comments...................why do the public "hate rail staff with a vengeance"? How are bus drivers working on extras "blacklegs"? Your former colleagues hate you? Now that I can believe 1) because train fares are so high and they believe that to be a result of overpaid staff and 2) it just shows some people will do anything for a bit of extra cash. Why can you believe my former colleagues hate me ? By the way I still drive PCVs from time to time ..... 3. They think that rail disruption is deliberate and they are greedy scum who should be able to run now trains at the drop of a hat . 4. They think all staff are lazy and rude. 5. The railway are being inflexible and rude towards customers when it is the customer's fault if their ticket isn't valid (such as forgotten railcard or lost ticket). Apologies if things are incorrect / have changed but this is how I understand the reasons for the strike: All station staff to reapply for jobs with many having a several thousand pound per year pay cut. Some new station staff to not have training in evacuation and other safety critical procedures.
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Post by paulsw2 on Apr 29, 2014 16:31:45 GMT
As a member of A.S.L.E.F we are not involved in this dispute but the simple matter is ticket office staff are safety critical licensed to deal with one unders station evacuations and other operational incidents having 900 fewer staff on the stations WILL have a detrimental affect on customer safety if stations need to be evacuated because of an incident. i.e. terrorism unsafe building etc and on the smaller stations down to a single member of staff how can they be in 2 places at once. National Rail network handles it quite well ... Are LU staff not up to the same standards? Think of the number of passengers involved the tube carries 4million people a day (more then National rail TOC put together) Staffing levels are needed stations cannot work on London Fire Brigade minimum numbers all the time as it would only need a member of staff to be taken unwell or assaulted then the station would have to close. LU staff are trained to a higher standard then network rail as NR station staff are not licensed to go onto the track where as LU staff are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 16:36:59 GMT
National Rail network handles it quite well ... Are LU staff not up to the same standards? Think of the number of passengers involved the tube carries 4million people a day (more then National rail TOC put together) Staffing levels are needed stations cannot work on London Fire Brigade minimum numbers all the time as it would only need a member of staff to be taken unwell or assaulted then the station would have to close. LU staff are trained to a higher standard then network rail as NR station staff are not licensed to go onto the track where as LU staff are. Not being at work today seems to show little care for safety ... as some lines are operating a service. If we can do with 'a lack of safety' today ... Why not everyday ... going on strike today seems to be a self defeating argument to me ... just adding more in weight to the LU stance.
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 29, 2014 16:53:01 GMT
I don't agree with the cuts or people losing their jobs, The fact of the matter however is we have to move with the times people don't use ticket offices probably because there only open in the mornings or at silly times but that's another matter , the day oyster was implemented the ball was set in motion for this ! Strike or no strike these cuts will happen unfortunately ! On a lighter note its like a Vintage bus running day out there its not everyday you get to see a coach on the 25 or a RTL on the 15 !!
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Post by 6HP502C on Apr 29, 2014 17:05:35 GMT
What ridiculous comments...................why do the public "hate rail staff with a vengeance"? How are bus drivers working on extras "blacklegs"? Your former colleagues hate you? Now that I can believe 1) because train fares are so high and they believe that to be a result of overpaid staff and 2) it just shows some people will do anything for a bit of extra cash. Why can you believe my former colleagues hate me ? By the way I still drive PCVs from time to time ..... I don't recall any London Overground, LU or railway union members pledging their allegiance with the London bus driver's strikes when they were struggling to get a comparatively fair reward for working through the Olympics. Whilst I'm sure it would be beneficial for strikers if bus drivers fell into line, there is no incentive to, morally or otherwhise. It's not likely to ever be a two way street. So regardless of any labels anyone wishes to append to me, I will proudly be driving a rail replacement bus tomorrow. I will also be volunteering. I'm also railway staff. I work in a ticket office (not for London Underground) and have actually been heartened to hear a number of customers tell me that they hope our office won't be closing, as they appreciate the service. I can't subscribe to the mentality of the chronically jaded who believe that everyone is against them!
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Post by rambo on Apr 29, 2014 18:08:50 GMT
Must admit, I don't agree with the RMT on this one.
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Post by wivenswold on Apr 29, 2014 18:26:28 GMT
I don't agree with the RMT on this one but I will always defend someone's right to join a union and strike if they feel passionately about something. Likewise if someone wants to put food on the table by working during a strike or making money out of one, then that's fine with me.
I'd like to think the days when workers were either scabs or strikers have passed.
Unfortunately the public's often ill-informed opinion is dictated by a hugely right-leaning and biased media. And that's not just on issues of industrial relations.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 29, 2014 19:18:41 GMT
And now for something completely different - devoid of ranting and bile. RM909 on the 29 RML2755 on the 29 RT3871 on the 29 Beestons MX04MYW and MX04 MYY on the 205 Travelmasters EY07 AXJ on the 25. There were two other deckers but I was unable to ID them. Imperial Buses RTL1256 on the 205 Stagecoach 18512 and 18503 on the 205 Stephensons 510, 504 and 512 on the 25. I also saw two Enviro 400 / Scanias zap down the Mile End Road. Several New Adventure Travel deckers spotted from afar - looked like ex Stagecoach and Metroline Tridents with ALX400 / President bodywork. Also an un-ID'd Brighton and Hove liveried Trident / President. Oddly there were a lot of DW class deckers on the 29 today. I thought it was all hybrid but I wonder if there was some juggling of allocations? One of Ensign's bendy coaches (402?) parked up on Stratford Broadway. LT208 seen on the 38.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 19:25:08 GMT
A new record has been broken for London buses today! 7,961 buses were in service the highest number ever for London.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 19:27:18 GMT
And now for something completely different - devoid of ranting and bile. RM909 on the 29 RML2755 on the 29 RT3871 on the 29 Beestons MX04MYW and MX04 MYY on the 205 Travelmasters EY07 AXJ on the 25. There were two other deckers but I was unable to ID them. Imperial Buses RTL1256 on the 205 Stagecoach 18512 and 18503 on the 205 Stephensons 510, 504 and 512 on the 25. I also saw two Enviro 400 / Scanias zap down the Mile End Road. Several New Adventure Travel deckers spotted from afar - looked like ex Stagecoach and Metroline Tridents with ALX400 / President bodywork. Also an un-ID'd Brighton and Hove liveried Trident / President. Oddly there were a lot of DW class deckers on the 29 today. I thought it was all hybrid but I wonder if there was some juggling of allocations? One of Ensign's bendy coaches (402?) parked up on Stratford Broadway. LT208 seen on the 38. Apart from the Ensign buses do London bus operators provide drivers for these "Extras" or do the other companies send drivers?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 29, 2014 19:47:39 GMT
And now for something completely different - devoid of ranting and bile. RM909 on the 29 RML2755 on the 29 RT3871 on the 29 Beestons MX04MYW and MX04 MYY on the 205 Travelmasters EY07 AXJ on the 25. There were two other deckers but I was unable to ID them. Imperial Buses RTL1256 on the 205 Stagecoach 18512 and 18503 on the 205 Stephensons 510, 504 and 512 on the 25. I also saw two Enviro 400 / Scanias zap down the Mile End Road. Several New Adventure Travel deckers spotted from afar - looked like ex Stagecoach and Metroline Tridents with ALX400 / President bodywork. Also an un-ID'd Brighton and Hove liveried Trident / President. Oddly there were a lot of DW class deckers on the 29 today. I thought it was all hybrid but I wonder if there was some juggling of allocations? One of Ensign's bendy coaches (402?) parked up on Stratford Broadway. LT208 seen on the 38. Throw in Buses Excetera NV627 (B19 ETC) & The London Bus Presevation Trust RML2760 (SMK 760F) as extras on the 2. RML2760 even had blinds especially made for the occasion lol. Whilst normal buses have 'Brixton' on the blinds, the RML had Brixton, LT Station.
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