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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 26, 2014 11:17:10 GMT
I don,t know why people keep saying change the operators, 25 is run fine at rush hour every major route in London struggles with traffic overcrowding having worked for First and TT and driven the 25 the route was run fine, who else could run it Stagecoach it would not make any difference. Go Ahead no way having recently joined Go ahead from TT to be closer to home believe me TT is a much better company then Go ahead I am very diss pointed to have joined Go ahead so tell me who could run it better arriva is even worse Go Ahead haven't operated the route in the past so we might as well give them a chance, Arriva seem to be doing well on the 38 and 73. Also don't Stagecoach Have BW, WH and BK all within a decent distance from the route? Also I'm pretty sure U is close as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 11:32:25 GMT
All I know is that TT is a much better company then Go ahead in everyway I don,t know if they can run it better, having worked for TT and now Go ahead, TT is miles ahead. Arriva is losing routes left right centre if they were doing that well they would not be losing routes all the times,
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Post by DT 11 on May 26, 2014 11:36:13 GMT
I don,t know why people keep saying change the operators, 25 is run fine at rush hour every major route in London struggles with traffic overcrowding having worked for First and TT and driven the 25 the route was run fine, who else could run it Stagecoach it would not make any difference. Go Ahead no way having recently joined Go ahead from TT to be closer to home believe me TT is a much better company then Go ahead I am very diss pointed to have joined Go ahead so tell me who could run it better arriva is even worse Go Ahead haven't operated the route in the past so we might as well give them a chance, Arriva seem to be doing well on the 38 and 73. Also don't Stagecoach Have BW, WH and BK all within a decent distance from the route? Also I'm pretty sure U is close as well. Give them a chance? What's wrong with Tower Transit? Plus the 25 isn't even up for tender. Go Ahead London have no chance with the 25. The closest garage is SI, and to operate the 25 from SI the whole allocation of routes may probably to be transferred elsewhere. In addition if the 25 changed operator again then the service would have to re-settle again. The allocation has been moved so many times since First Capital won it in the 1998.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 12:04:21 GMT
TL1 agree with u 100%
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 26, 2014 12:06:29 GMT
Route 25 has changed hands everytime it's been tendered in the past, And I have had some horrendous 15min-20min Gaps in the 25. With a frequency like this it shouldn't be happening
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Post by vjaska on May 26, 2014 12:14:44 GMT
All I know is that TT is a much better company then Go ahead in everyway I don,t know if they can run it better, having worked for TT and now Go ahead, TT is miles ahead. Arriva is losing routes left right centre if they were doing that well they would not be losing routes all the times, In what way is Tower Transit a better operator than Go-Ahead or Arriva because where I live, both operators are very good. Just because Arriva are losing routes left, right & centre, doesn't mean they are bad - both Stagecoach & Metrobus went through bad spells but would you call them bad companies? Even First had a rough spell a few years before leaving London - operators don't turn bad when they lose routes.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 13:04:24 GMT
In everyway, I worked for First/TT and now work for Go ahead so I can judge it better then everybody else and please don,t mention arriva i live in their territory i know them very well, did u know arrive sent a defect bus out? and they were going close the stamford hill garage because of it, they were lucky TFL intervened, that's how good arriva is, and regarding 20 minutes gap on 25 route i am sorry i can,t believe that unless their was a major diversion. I was on 259 yesterday we had 20 minutes gap in more then one occasion. And every driver who worked for first at NP and now work for Go ahead say first was alot better if u don,t believe me come and ask.
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Post by marlon101 on May 26, 2014 13:12:05 GMT
In everyway, I worked for First/TT and now work for Go ahead so I can judge it better then everybody else and please don,t mention arriva i live in their territory i know them very well, did u know arrive sent a defect bus out and VOSA were gone close the stamford hill garage because of it, they were lucky TFL intervened, that's how good arriva is, and regarding 20 minutes gap on 25 route i am sorry i can,t believe that unless their was a major diversion. I was on 259 yesterday we had 20 minutes gap in more then one occasion. And every driver who worked for first at NP and now work for Go ahead say first was alot better if u don,t believe me come and ask. There is an important difference between being a good operator to work for and being a good operator for the customers. Often the two are linked but not necessarily. I don't doubt that you have a genuine grievance but without providing any specific evidence, your vague arguments are not going to convince.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 26, 2014 13:15:33 GMT
In everyway, I worked for First/TT and now work for Go ahead so I can judge it better then everybody else and please don,t mention arriva i live in their territory i know them very well, did u know arrive sent a defect bus out and VOSA were gone close the stamford hill garage because of it, they were lucky TFL intervened, that's how good arriva is, and regarding 20 minutes gap on 25 route i am sorry i can,t believe that unless their was a major diversion. I was on 259 yesterday we had 20 minutes gap in more then one occasion. And every driver who worked for first at NP and now work for Go ahead say first was alot better if u don,t believe me come and ask. The 20min gap definitely happened. I was there. Also I don't see what's wrong with Arriva, they operate a Good service in East London as Far as I am aware and I haven't had a problem with them in the Past
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Post by snoggle on May 26, 2014 13:26:22 GMT
Route 25 has changed hands everytime it's been tendered in the past, And I have had some horrendous 15min-20min Gaps in the 25. With a frequency like this it shouldn't be happening And what caused those horrendous gaps? Only operator issues or things like traffic accidents (loads of those on the A11 corridor in recent years) or roadworks (loads of those) or the Olympics (months of problems) or whatever? For goodness sake I've suffered much longer gaps that 15-20 mins even on very high frequency corridors run by Arriva or Go Ahead or Metroline or Tower Transit or First or Stagecoach. In other words any operator can suffer from the highs and lows of London's traffic. Watch the "Routemasters running London" programme where the poor Stagecoach controllers at Plumstead were unable to do anything when that lorry tipped over and b*ggered the traffic for miles around and then a bus conked out in the one place where the traffic was crawling forward! There was literally nothing they could do as their buses were stuck, the traffic was stuck and their drivers were hours out of time for breaks and shift changes. I expect it took hours to get the service back to something approaching normal and the effects would have been felt over a wide area. Exactly the same issues will have happened to route 25 when there were those terrible cyclist deaths at Bow and Aldgate. *If* we were able to cite direct evidence that showed Tower Transit had 30+% of their fleet conked out in the garage or broken down at the roadside or 15% of their drivers didn't up to work then moaning about the operator would be justified. However no London operator runs with that scale of failure because it would be disastrous for them financially. One or two garages (well recorded on this forum) have their issues but we do not see the sort of claptrap that passes for bus operation elsewhere in the country happening in London. I've just read a report that said First Group has managed over 20% improvements in vehicle breakdowns and lost mileage (some areas had a 50% improvement!) - how do you get into a state where things are so bad that you can boast about that sort of improvement? London does not see that scale of failure. In a city as big, busy and congested as London then things happen and we all have to cope with it. No operator has the resources to just pull 20 buses out a hat to instantly fill gaps in service and there's no guarantee that doing that won't result in those buses just getting jammed up too. You cite the retendering of route 25 and operator changes but if we look closely the route has really just swapped between operators and their predecessors - Stagecoach and Capital Citybus / First / Tower Transit. Part of this is down to geographic factors (garage locations) and I'd guess the rest is down to accumulated knowledge in the operating companies. I expect route 25 will continue to yo-yo between the two operators for years to come. There are only very limited examples of big routes swapping operators because the scale of resource (garage, vehicles, staff) plus good operating knowledge restrict the ability for new people to come in and take over. Do I ever expect route 38 or 29 or 73 to move away from Arriva? - err no. Do I expect Stagecoach to lose the 53 or 86? - err no. Do I expect London General to lose the 11 or 88? - err no. Do I expect Arriva or Go Ahead to win route 25? - err no. Changing operators is rarely the answer to intractable problems like the route 25 corridor. I've set out in an earlier post what needs to be done to route 25 and why it won't happen. Sorry if I don't feel very sympathetic when you're complaining about a route that runs every 6 minutes *at night* and far more frequently than this during the day!! Some people don't realise when they're well off. Go and live on route 347 with a bus every 2 hours and see how you feel.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 13:53:55 GMT
Snoggle spot on mate
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Post by vjaska on May 26, 2014 14:25:51 GMT
In everyway, I worked for First/TT and now work for Go ahead so I can judge it better then everybody else and please don,t mention arriva i live in their territory i know them very well, did u know arrive sent a defect bus out and VOSA were gone close the stamford hill garage because of it, they were lucky TFL intervened, that's how good arriva is, and regarding 20 minutes gap on 25 route i am sorry i can,t believe that unless their was a major diversion. I was on 259 yesterday we had 20 minutes gap in more then one occasion. And every driver who worked for first at NP and now work for Go ahead say first was alot better if u don,t believe me come and ask. You've still not answered how Tower Transit are 'supposedly' better than Go-Ahead and Arriva! I also live in Arriva territory and they run their services well so tarnishing a company because of one incident is not smart.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 14:55:10 GMT
I am working now but i will give ur answers don,t worry
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Post by smoothcriminal on May 26, 2014 15:23:05 GMT
It does need more buses. How this isn't the highest pvr route in London I don't know.
Also sack off the bow roundabout bus stops and let them use the flyover honestly why TfL want that many buses using probably the most dangerous roundabout in London I don't know and they lose so much time in the evening peaks there and the other stops are hardly a far walk.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 17:09:27 GMT
Route 25 has changed hands everytime it's been tendered in the past, And I have had some horrendous 15min-20min Gaps in the 25. With a frequency like this it shouldn't be happening Has it? ermm East London to First 1999 - First to East London 2004 back to First / Tower in 2011 apart from that it had never left East London / Stagecoach.
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