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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 17:30:47 GMT
In everyway, I worked for First/TT and now work for Go ahead so I can judge it better then everybody else and please don,t mention arriva i live in their territory i know them very well, did u know arrive sent a defect bus out and VOSA were gone close the stamford hill garage because of it, they were lucky TFL intervened, that's how good arriva is, and regarding 20 minutes gap on 25 route i am sorry i can,t believe that unless their was a major diversion. I was on 259 yesterday we had 20 minutes gap in more then one occasion. And every driver who worked for first at NP and now work for Go ahead say first was alot better if u don,t believe me come and ask. There is an important difference between being a good operator to work for and being a good operator for the customers. Often the two are linked but not necessarily. I don't doubt that you have a genuine grievance but without providing any specific evidence, your vague arguments are not going to convince. Tower Transit is obviously more friendly as an employer , which is to be applauded.
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Post by sid on May 27, 2014 11:44:34 GMT
In everyway, I worked for First/TT and now work for Go ahead so I can judge it better then everybody else and please don,t mention arriva i live in their territory i know them very well, did u know arrive sent a defect bus out and VOSA were gone close the stamford hill garage because of it, they were lucky TFL intervened, that's how good arriva is, and regarding 20 minutes gap on 25 route i am sorry i can,t believe that unless their was a major diversion. I was on 259 yesterday we had 20 minutes gap in more then one occasion. And every driver who worked for first at NP and now work for Go ahead say first was alot better if u don,t believe me come and ask. I think you need to be careful about what you're saying about defective buses, do you have some sort of grudge against Arriva? And TfL wouldn't be able to prevent VOSA closing a garage if such action was justified.
MODS MSG Please be careful when posting speculation such as this - I have removed a section that I feel is inappropriate at this time until all facts are known, not just word of mouth. On such a serious subject as a fatality FACTS only please. RM5chris TBF Moderation Team
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May 27, 2014 11:53:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 11:53:00 GMT
I have got nothing against anybody that is what happened. Yes the 253 was 100% defective i am sure about that
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Please be careful when posting speculation such as this - I have removed a section that I feel is inappropriate at this time until all facts are known, not just word of mouth. On such a serious subject as a fatality FACTS only please.
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Post by vjaska on May 27, 2014 12:18:44 GMT
I have got nothing against anybody that is what happened. Yes the 253 100% defective i am sure about that I'm interested in how you know that considering you worked for Tower Transit & are now at Go-Ahead London yet, as far as we all now, have never worked for Arriva London. Information like a defective bus is not normally given out unless an investigation is made public - did this happen?
MODS MSG Please be careful when posting speculation such as this - I have removed a section that I feel is inappropriate at this time until all facts are known, not just word of mouth. On such a serious subject as a fatality FACTS only please. RM5chris TBF Moderation Team
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Post by sid on May 27, 2014 12:32:55 GMT
I have got nothing against anybody that is what happened. Yes the 253 was 100% defective i am sure about that 100% defective, what does that mean? A bulb wasn't working perhaps? I'm sorry but your postings just sound like irrational rants with no substance whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 12:57:27 GMT
And by the way vosa had to check every bus at stamford hill garage within a week after the accident the information came from an arriva official.
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Post by Nathan on May 27, 2014 13:05:25 GMT
I'm no expert at buses, but I'm sure a 100% defective bus would be noticeable by ANYONE...
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Post by vjaska on May 27, 2014 13:10:27 GMT
And by the way vosa had to check every bus at stamford hill garage within a week after the accident the information came from an arriva official. Doesn't mean he/she was telling you the truth, what does the official have to gain? - besides, as far as I'm aware, Stamford Hill wouldn't of been closed down, more likely they would of been fined and/or had the number of buses they can operate in their license reduced. Everybody's favourite operator, Stagecoach, were found not to be maintaining Optare Solos properly are wheels started coming off three Solos whilst in service - I think they fined and the license reduced. I believe the bit where you said VOSA came & checked every bus at the garage, that's probably standard practice in these types of situations and I've never said I don't believe you, just some of what you said just seems iffy, not to mention you seemed to have something against Arriva (remembering your posts on the 34).
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 22:16:28 GMT
Vjaska i respect your posts because they do make sense. By the way i don,t have a favourite operator i like all bus operators the all have good and bad things about them. Please guys do not point the fingers at me all i am writing is what was said by their own official who i have known for while and he has no reasons to make it up. And by the way he still works their.
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AGAIN - Please be careful when posting speculation such as this - (there were some 'maybe', 'they thought', and 'apparently' in your post). You were not there or involved in any decision taken (if any) and the fact that you had to make create scenarios by using 'maybe' 'apparently' and 'they thought' may also indicate that the official you spoke to was not directly involved. I would be surprised if any official for any operator would admit such an occurrence in any case in case it is published (like here) as this would be a serious disciplinary matter if traced back to them.
For such a serious incident, please report FACTS. 'I heard this from a friend' is not acceptable in this incidence. I have edited your post as I feel it is inappropriate at this time until all facts are known.
If you continue to post speculation on this matter your posts will be subject to further edits.
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May 28, 2014 0:57:35 GMT
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2014 0:57:35 GMT
Vjaska i respect your posts because they do make sense. By the way i don,t have a favourite operator i like all bus operators the all have good and bad things about them. Please guys do not point the fingers at me all i am writing is what was said by their own official who i have known for while and he has no reasons to make it up. And by the way he still works their. Fair enough, no worries.
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Post by mondraker275 on May 28, 2014 9:20:46 GMT
It does need more buses. How this isn't the highest pvr route in London I don't know. Also sack off the bow roundabout bus stops and let them use the flyover honestly why TfL want that many buses using probably the most dangerous roundabout in London I don't know and they lose so much time in the evening peaks there and the other stops are hardly a far walk. I have asked for this, especially after they removed bus lanes to have the segregated cycle lanes between Bow and Stratford. This would benefit cyclists as it will remove about 50/60 buses an hour from the roundabout. Its bad enough for the 25 passengers to deal with overcrowding but the journey times on the route are getting worse.(Delays was not as bad when there was bendy buses on the route). I agree with Snoogle earlier, that TfL need to study the journey patterns of passengers, as a special case. When I was regularly taking the 25 around Mile End, you realise that people are reluctant to get a 205 (needs to be 24-hour from Leyton) or a 425, i.e. the overlapping routes. This does not happen on the other side with the 86, people always take the 86 especially towards Stratford, as it goes inside the station. Also passengers are making longer journeys on a bus, like the 25. The 25 has just about enough capacity to deal with the numbers, but they cannot deal with passengers making longer journeys. If people took the 25 for 5/6 stops, we would not have any issues with the 25, but passengers take the bus for 10-15 stops or more. Studying the passenger journey patterns and adjusting resources acordingly, along with bus priority is the best and most efficient way of dealing with the 25.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 10:16:03 GMT
I feel like studying the 25 myself. I used it fairly recently and I waited longer than the scheduled waiting time at Ilford. By Stratford there were 3 buses in a bunch. If the driver change point is still Mile End , there is an obvious problem. The 220 used to change drivers at Shepherds Bush, it has improved since that was altered to Willesdon Junction. Would an innovative approach to drivers actually starting work at bus rather than the depot work ? The traffic issue is complicated and unlikely to be resolved.
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Post by sid on May 28, 2014 11:22:01 GMT
I feel like studying the 25 myself. I used it fairly recently and I waited longer than the scheduled waiting time at Ilford. By Stratford there were 3 buses in a bunch. If the driver change point is still Mile End , there is an obvious problem. The 220 used to change drivers at Shepherds Bush, it has improved since that was altered to Willesdon Junction. Would an innovative approach to drivers actually starting work at bus rather than the depot work ? The traffic issue is complicated and unlikely to be resolved. Go round the bus with a clipboard asking everybody where they got on and where they're getting off? It's a bit of a catch 22, if you introduced an 'X68 type' peak service with buses from Ilford running pick up only to Stratford and then non stop to Aldgate and vice versa in the evening it would soon get swamped with train passengers once they realised a cheaper, and probably just as quick, journey was available by bus. I think mid route driver changeovers should be avoided as much as possible but on a long route like this drivers starting at Ilford would only be able to do one rounder before coming off and there would be little scope for curtailing eastbound buses without crew ferry vehicles to get the drivers to and from Ilford.
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Post by marlon101 on May 28, 2014 11:55:20 GMT
Would an innovative approach to drivers actually starting work at bus rather than the depot work ? I might be mistaken but do they not already do this at the 'Mile End' outstation. First rent some property over one of the numerous poor quality take away shops and their is always a few supervising staff around, usually taking a barrage of complaints from the public about waiting so long for a driver changeover!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 14:53:57 GMT
Would an innovative approach to drivers actually starting work at bus rather than the depot work ? I might be mistaken but do they not already do this at the 'Mile End' outstation. First rent some property over one of the numerous poor quality take away shops and their is always a few supervising staff around, usually taking a barrage of complaints from the public about waiting so long for a driver changeover! Ah I didn't know that. At least they have somewhere nice to eat !
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