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Route 25
May 28, 2014 14:58:19 GMT
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2014 14:58:19 GMT
I feel like studying the 25 myself. I used it fairly recently and I waited longer than the scheduled waiting time at Ilford. By Stratford there were 3 buses in a bunch. If the driver change point is still Mile End , there is an obvious problem. The 220 used to change drivers at Shepherds Bush, it has improved since that was altered to Willesdon Junction. Would an innovative approach to drivers actually starting work at bus rather than the depot work ? The traffic issue is complicated and unlikely to be resolved. It's a bit of a catch 22, if you introduced an 'X68 type' peak service with buses from Ilford running pick up only to Stratford and then non stop to Aldgate and vice versa in the evening it would soon get swamped with train passengers once they realised a cheaper, and probably just as quick, journey was available by bus. It depends on what style of express route you'd have - having used the X68 which has just a limited stop section, it takes an hour or more to get from Russell Square to West Croydon but is still packed to the rafters most likely due to the fact that the beginning & ends of the route are standard stopping. It's certainly far quicker, but more expensive, to get the Piccadilly from Russell Square to Green Park, Victoria to Victoria & then a Southern Service to East Croydon. The other style that could be done is to have the whole express route limited stop like the 607 or Arriva's provincial route, the 724, where it just stops at key places. This may result in the express bus actually not reaching it's capacity limit especially as the Central Line & Crossrail when completed, would be running alongside it unlike the 607 which has no line to run alongside for near enough its entire length.
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Post by marlon101 on May 28, 2014 16:04:27 GMT
As much as we like the idea of an express route, I don't see it happening. It would promote the sort of long-distance journeys that the route currently struggles to support, and these are pretty high cost journeys to operate.
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Route 25
May 29, 2014 8:19:50 GMT
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Post by Late Again on May 29, 2014 8:19:50 GMT
Would an innovative approach to drivers actually starting work at bus rather than the depot work ? I might be mistaken but do they not already do this at the 'Mile End' outstation. First rent some property over one of the numerous poor quality take away shops and their is always a few supervising staff around, usually taking a barrage of complaints from the public about waiting so long for a driver changeover! They now change over at Bow Church with breaks taken at BW and have done for about a year now.
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Post by sid on May 29, 2014 9:54:12 GMT
I might be mistaken but do they not already do this at the 'Mile End' outstation. First rent some property over one of the numerous poor quality take away shops and their is always a few supervising staff around, usually taking a barrage of complaints from the public about waiting so long for a driver changeover! They now change over at Bow Church with breaks taken at BW and have done for about a year now. That would seem most unlikely, the 25 is operated by Tower Transit and BW is a Stagecoach garage. Your name does seem somewhat appropriate here
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Post by VPL630 on May 29, 2014 10:08:15 GMT
Regardless of who runs the route it will still be the same service, you simply can't run a route with departures every 3 mins, I mean for example say Driver A leaves Ilford and there is a crowd of people and a buggy, by the time that driver manages to leave the stop another 25 (Driver B) will have mostly overtaken him and then they will just be playing cat and mouse the whole way, What's the point of telling Driver B to hold back because then the whole service is being delayed, you might as well just leave on time and follow your time card and then iBus only call you up when you are late and need a turn or if there is a massive gap in service somewhere else
The amount of traffic hot spots, traffic lights and people that the 25 picks up doesn't help running a service where a bus is every 3 mins, I mean 1 person asking how to I get to XYZ can hold the bus us for 3 mins if that driver is feeling helpful and explains how to get to XYZ and what buses they can get ect ect, A person paying cash can hold up the service for 3 mins just trying to find their d*mn Oyster card, so regardless of who runs it the service will mostly be the same, just different buses, same drivers
What we really need on the route is Bendy buses or Tri-axle's, it has what I think is the max possible buses on the route already
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Post by sid on May 29, 2014 10:13:47 GMT
Regardless of who runs the route it will still be the same service, you simply can't run a route with departures every 3 mins, I mean for example say Driver A leaves Ilford and there is a crowd of people and a buggy, by the time that driver manages to leave the stop another 25 (Driver B) will have mostly overtaken him and then they will just be playing cat and mouse the whole way, What's the point of telling Driver B to hold back because then the whole service is being delayed, you might as well just leave on time and follow your time card and then iBus only call you up when you are late and need a turn or if there is a massive gap in service somewhere else The amount of traffic hot spots, traffic lights and people that the 25 picks up doesn't help running a service where a bus is every 3 mins, I mean 1 person asking how to I get to XYZ can hold the bus us for 3 mins if that driver is feeling helpful and explains how to get to XYZ and what buses they can get ect ect, A person paying cash can hold up the service for 3 mins just trying to find their d*mn Oyster card, so regardless of who runs it the service will mostly be the same, just different buses, same drivers What we really need on the route is Bendy buses or Tri-axle's, it has what I think is the max possible buses on the route already Bendy buses have already been tried, maybe tri axles but they'll just get rammed as well.
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Post by VPL630 on May 29, 2014 10:21:05 GMT
Regardless of who runs the route it will still be the same service, you simply can't run a route with departures every 3 mins, I mean for example say Driver A leaves Ilford and there is a crowd of people and a buggy, by the time that driver manages to leave the stop another 25 (Driver B) will have mostly overtaken him and then they will just be playing cat and mouse the whole way, What's the point of telling Driver B to hold back because then the whole service is being delayed, you might as well just leave on time and follow your time card and then iBus only call you up when you are late and need a turn or if there is a massive gap in service somewhere else The amount of traffic hot spots, traffic lights and people that the 25 picks up doesn't help running a service where a bus is every 3 mins, I mean 1 person asking how to I get to XYZ can hold the bus us for 3 mins if that driver is feeling helpful and explains how to get to XYZ and what buses they can get ect ect, A person paying cash can hold up the service for 3 mins just trying to find their d*mn Oyster card, so regardless of who runs it the service will mostly be the same, just different buses, same drivers What we really need on the route is Bendy buses or Tri-axle's, it has what I think is the max possible buses on the route already Bendy buses have already been tried, maybe tri axles but they'll just get rammed as well. No they weren't tried, they were taken off because of some political BS
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Post by VPL630 on May 29, 2014 10:22:26 GMT
How can TFL save money and reduce overcrowding on the 25
Withdraw the 25, Problem solved.
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Post by sid on May 29, 2014 10:24:05 GMT
Bendy buses have already been tried, maybe tri axles but they'll just get rammed as well. No they weren't tried, they were taken off because of some political BS Regardless of all that they were tried and if anything they were even worse, largely because the ready availability of free travel attracted even more users.
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Post by Nathan on May 29, 2014 10:30:03 GMT
How can TFL save money and reduce overcrowding on the 25 Withdraw the 25, Problem solved. That is the worst idea anyone can suggest.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 29, 2014 11:00:02 GMT
How can TFL save money and reduce overcrowding on the 25 Withdraw the 25, Problem solved. That would mean all of a sudden the 86, 425, 205 and 8 will all need huge PVR increases and they'd all become impossible to ride
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Post by sid on May 29, 2014 11:07:28 GMT
How can TFL save money and reduce overcrowding on the 25 Withdraw the 25, Problem solved. That would mean all of a sudden the 86, 425, 205 and 8 will all need huge PVR increases and they'd all become impossible to ride I assume the idea was some sort of silly joke?
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Route 25
May 29, 2014 11:59:06 GMT
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Post by Late Again on May 29, 2014 11:59:06 GMT
They now change over at Bow Church with breaks taken at BW and have done for about a year now. That would seem most unlikely, the 25 is operated by Tower Transit and BW is a Stagecoach garage. Your name does seem somewhat appropriate here Ah that would explain why I have only ever seen stagecoach buses at BW and no other operators. But I also see Tower Transit staff walking into the depot every day at all times. If they are not in there for the canteen or toilets. Yes even though it is a stagecoach garage. Do you think they go there to look for a new career with stagecoach instead. You don't suppose stagecoach & TT have agreed a deal to use there rest facility's even though they are rivals.
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Post by snoggle on May 29, 2014 13:38:35 GMT
Regardless of who runs the route it will still be the same service, you simply can't run a route with departures every 3 mins, I mean for example say Driver A leaves Ilford and there is a crowd of people and a buggy, by the time that driver manages to leave the stop another 25 (Driver B) will have mostly overtaken him and then they will just be playing cat and mouse the whole way, What's the point of telling Driver B to hold back because then the whole service is being delayed, you might as well just leave on time and follow your time card and then iBus only call you up when you are late and need a turn or if there is a massive gap in service somewhere else The amount of traffic hot spots, traffic lights and people that the 25 picks up doesn't help running a service where a bus is every 3 mins, I mean 1 person asking how to I get to XYZ can hold the bus us for 3 mins if that driver is feeling helpful and explains how to get to XYZ and what buses they can get ect ect, A person paying cash can hold up the service for 3 mins just trying to find their d*mn Oyster card, so regardless of who runs it the service will mostly be the same, just different buses, same drivers What we really need on the route is Bendy buses or Tri-axle's, it has what I think is the max possible buses on the route already Perhaps we need a two tier service on route 25 - "nice" 25s with helpful drivers who will answer your questions and drive slowly and "grumpy bleeps" 25s with grumpy drivers who won't acknowledge passengers, who slam doors shut even if people are running to the stop and who drive with lead feet. People can then opt for "nice" or "grumpy" depending on what service they want? "Grumpy gets you there fast but hold on tight as it might be bumpy" "Try a nice 25 and don't get there in a trice".
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Post by VPL630 on May 29, 2014 21:13:12 GMT
That would mean all of a sudden the 86, 425, 205 and 8 will all need huge PVR increases and they'd all become impossible to ride I assume the idea was some sort of silly joke? Well yes kinda, it's not something that will ever happen but it would kill 2 birds with 1 stone, TFL Need to save money and have said they are going to cut a route, The 25 has major overcrowding problems If the 25 doesn't exist then there can't be a problem with it, Yes I know it sounds stupid and will cause madness for the 86's 425 8 and many other routes
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