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Post by Nathan on Jun 10, 2014 18:29:06 GMT
A few P13 buses still say Streatham, Bus Garage even though there is no garage there.
And come to think of it, shouldn't buses terminating at Telford Avenue say "Brixton, Bus Garage". Or maybe even "Streatham, Brixton Bus Garage". Or "Streatham Hill, Brixton Bus Garage". I think the latter is accurate, but too long.
Another thing is the Brockley Cross turn for the 172. I think it should be renamed "Brockley, Millmark Grove" given that the name of the last stop is Millmark Grove. Or maybe "Brockley, Shardeloes Road" would be good enough.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jun 10, 2014 18:29:42 GMT
I think there are plenty which have been shortened to just the town.
Penge Crooked Billet and Penge Pawleyne Arms to Penge Catford Rushey Green to Catford (although iBus has Catford, Town Centre) Sydenham Cobbs Corner to Sydenham
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Lambeth North to Westminster Bridge Road Croydon Fairfield Halls and Croydon Katharine Street have both changed to Croydon Town Centre
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 10, 2014 18:39:40 GMT
I think it's more to do with making destinations less confusing. Also a lot of destinations where say a pub name or other 'landmark' was used like 'Dulwich Plough' were changed as pub names changed or they have been shut down etc. Here's a few: 'Harrow Road - prince of Wales' is now 'Harrow Road- Elgin Avenue' First used to have it shown as 'Prince of Wales - Harrow Rd' on older blind sets 'Shooters Hill - Bull' is now 'Shooters Hill- Eaglesfield Rd' 'South Croydon - Swan & Sugar Loaf' is now 'South Croydon - South End' There's indoubtly many more As has been said from horse bus days pubs were a common point of destination, probably because the pubs were known as a landmark to the locals. The PoW and the S&SL mentioned above are no longer pubs, there must be dozens in the same vain, no doubt forum members who are familiar with their own community could add some? I remember as a kid the 2A used to show 'West Norwood Rosendale' Haven't been in that area for years is it still a pub? In a similar vain the 88 used to show 'St Helier The Rose'
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Post by Hassaan on Jun 10, 2014 18:52:22 GMT
I think it's more to do with making destinations less confusing. Also a lot of destinations where say a pub name or other 'landmark' was used like 'Dulwich Plough' were changed as pub names changed or they have been shut down etc. Here's a few: 'Harrow Road - prince of Wales' is now 'Harrow Road- Elgin Avenue' First used to have it shown as 'Prince of Wales - Harrow Rd' on older blind sets 'Shooters Hill - Bull' is now 'Shooters Hill- Eaglesfield Rd' 'South Croydon - Swan & Sugar Loaf' is now 'South Croydon - South End' There's indoubtly many more As has been said from horse bus days pubs were a common point of destination, probably because the pubs were known as a landmark to the locals. The PoW and the S&SL mentioned above are no longer pubs, there must be dozens in the same vain, no doubt forum members who are familiar with their own community could add some? I remember as a kid the 2A used to show 'West Norwood Rosendale' Haven't been in that area for years is it still a pub? In a similar vain the 88 used to show 'St Helier The Rose' The "East Ham, White Horse" display was changed to "East Ham, Central Park" but the bus stop still uses the old name, and the pub still exists. "Norwood Green" was displayed as "Norwood Green, Wolf" on some buses. Surely there must have been a "Greenford, Civil Engineer" or similar blind for when the old 232 (that section now part of the 120) used to terminate there? Nearest curtailment today is a couple of stops away and is called "Lady Margaret Road, Ruislip Road". There was a "Hayes, Grapes" display used by the U7 (and possibly other routes) at one point, it was changed to "Hayes, Superstores" and then "Hayes, Sainsbury's" for the U7 while the E6 uses "Uxbridge Road, Yeading Lane". One still used today is "Upton Park, Boleyn" when it could have been changed to "Upton Park, Green Street" or something. A slightly different one, but I remember seeing a photo of a 220 or something in the past displaying "Harlesden, Willesden Junction".
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Post by jay38a on Jun 10, 2014 19:03:19 GMT
The 321 still uses Sidcup, Police Station even though it's been closed for 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 19:35:59 GMT
I was looking through an old book the other day, and noticed how some of the ulimate destinations have changed, despite the terminus being the same place. For example, I saw an RT going to HIGHGATE, Archway Station (which would now just be described Archway), and also another bus going to LIVERPOOL STREET, Finsbury Circus (this is of course now MOORGATE, Finsbury Circus) I am wondering what other examples of this there are, and any other changes that may be noticeable. Also, when is it thought it best just to describe an estate without including the town that it is in. For example I was over at Heathrow the other day, and noticed that the H25 displays simply "Butts Farm" (in Hanworth) whereas the H26 displays FELTHAM, Sparrow Farm. Another thing that I have noticed is that Charring Cross has disappeared from destinations, despite this being a more accurate description for routes like the 15 than Trafalgar Square (I accept its not exactly far, but you get my point.) I would be interested to get a discussion going on this on any of these points and other examples Canning Town Station is now Canning Town - Except route 147 still uses Canning Town Station
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2014 19:38:06 GMT
A few P13 buses still say Streatham, Bus Garage even though there is no garage there. And come to think of it, shouldn't buses terminating at Telford Avenue say "Brixton, Bus Garage". Or maybe even "Streatham, Brixton Bus Garage". Or "Streatham Hill, Brixton Bus Garage". I think the latter is accurate, but too long. Another thing is the Brockley Cross turn for the 172. I think it should be renamed "Brockley, Millmark Grove" given that the name of the last stop is Millmark Grove. Or maybe "Brockley, Shardeloes Road" would be good enough. 'Brixton Bus Garage' would confuse people as it's not in Brixton or even the postcode for Brixton which is SW9. ' 'Streatham, Brixton Bus Garage' would also confuse people because it's not in Streatham or even Streatham's postcode which is SW16. Streatham is where the new Tesco is situated 'Streatham Hill, Brixton Bus Garage' is accurate but 'Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue' is well known by most users of the routes that pass Brixton Garage and has been the blind for many, many years so I'd prefer it to remain as it is.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2014 19:39:37 GMT
I think it's more to do with making destinations less confusing. Also a lot of destinations where say a pub name or other 'landmark' was used like 'Dulwich Plough' were changed as pub names changed or they have been shut down etc. Here's a few: 'Harrow Road - prince of Wales' is now 'Harrow Road- Elgin Avenue' First used to have it shown as 'Prince of Wales - Harrow Rd' on older blind sets 'Shooters Hill - Bull' is now 'Shooters Hill- Eaglesfield Rd' 'South Croydon - Swan & Sugar Loaf' is now 'South Croydon - South End' There's indoubtly many more As has been said from horse bus days pubs were a common point of destination, probably because the pubs were known as a landmark to the locals. The PoW and the S&SL mentioned above are no longer pubs, there must be dozens in the same vain, no doubt forum members who are familiar with their own community could add some? I remember as a kid the 2A used to show 'West Norwood Rosendale' Haven't been in that area for years is it still a pub? In a similar vain the 88 used to show 'St Helier The Rose' Yep, 'The Rosendale' pub is still alive & well. Up the road, 'The Thurlow Arms' was still mentioned on timetables for West Norwood bus routes long after it closed, and long after it was renamed 'Jack Stamps'.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2014 19:47:43 GMT
Croydon Fairfield Halls and Croydon Katharine Street have both changed to Croydon Town Centre As has Croydon, Park Street which I mentioned along with Croydon, Fairfield Halls - personally, I find the Croydon Town Centre blind inaccurate as I don't class Park Street, Katherine Street and Fairfield Halls as part of the town centre - has the Croydon, High Street been retained?
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jun 10, 2014 20:22:41 GMT
Croydon Fairfield Halls and Croydon Katharine Street have both changed to Croydon Town Centre As has Croydon, Park Street which I mentioned along with Croydon, Fairfield Halls - personally, I find the Croydon Town Centre blind inaccurate as I don't class Park Street, Katherine Street and Fairfield Halls as part of the town centre - has the Croydon, High Street been retained? I think that's also been changed to Croydon Town Centre to simplify all of the town centre terminus points.
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Post by eggmiester on Jun 10, 2014 20:35:23 GMT
'Blackfen, Woodman' became just 'Blackfen' on the 51's and undoubtly the 132. Although interestingly, on the 132 time cards its still shown as 'Blackfen Woodman' even though 1: the pub was renamed 'the George Staples' over 6 years ago and 2: its only a timing point on the 132, there's now no official curtailment there.
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Post by Nathan on Jun 10, 2014 20:44:11 GMT
A few P13 buses still say Streatham, Bus Garage even though there is no garage there. And come to think of it, shouldn't buses terminating at Telford Avenue say "Brixton, Bus Garage". Or maybe even "Streatham, Brixton Bus Garage". Or "Streatham Hill, Brixton Bus Garage". I think the latter is accurate, but too long. Another thing is the Brockley Cross turn for the 172. I think it should be renamed "Brockley, Millmark Grove" given that the name of the last stop is Millmark Grove. Or maybe "Brockley, Shardeloes Road" would be good enough. 'Brixton Bus Garage' would confuse people as it's not in Brixton or even the postcode for Brixton which is SW9. ' 'Streatham, Brixton Bus Garage' would also confuse people because it's not in Streatham or even Streatham's postcode which is SW16. Streatham is where the new Tesco is situated 'Streatham Hill, Brixton Bus Garage' is accurate but 'Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue' is well known by most users of the routes that pass Brixton Garage and has been the blind for many, many years so I'd prefer it to remain as it is. You raise a few fair points. I was literally going by the idea of the change of "Catford Garage" to "Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage". Bear in mind, that Plumstead Bus Garage is actually in Thamesmead West, as the postcode is SE28. And yet it's still called by Plumstead.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2014 20:48:55 GMT
'Brixton Bus Garage' would confuse people as it's not in Brixton or even the postcode for Brixton which is SW9. ' 'Streatham, Brixton Bus Garage' would also confuse people because it's not in Streatham or even Streatham's postcode which is SW16. Streatham is where the new Tesco is situated 'Streatham Hill, Brixton Bus Garage' is accurate but 'Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue' is well known by most users of the routes that pass Brixton Garage and has been the blind for many, many years so I'd prefer it to remain as it is. You raise a few fair points. I was literally going by the idea of the change of "Catford Garage" to "Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage". Bear in mind, that Plumstead Bus Garage is actually in Thamesmead West, as the postcode is SE28. And yet it's still called by Plumstead. True but Plumstead Garage has the get out clause of actually being next door to Plumstead lol. Didn't know there was a Thamesmead West, just thought there was Thamesmead lol - thanks for informing me.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 10, 2014 20:50:38 GMT
A while ago, the BK turn was displayed as "Barking Garage" but now they display "Fair Cross" after the nearby Junction between South Park Drive, Upney Lane and Longbridge Road
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Post by Nathan on Jun 10, 2014 21:26:20 GMT
You raise a few fair points. I was literally going by the idea of the change of "Catford Garage" to "Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage". Bear in mind, that Plumstead Bus Garage is actually in Thamesmead West, as the postcode is SE28. And yet it's still called by Plumstead. True but Plumstead Garage has the get out clause of actually being next door to Plumstead lol. Didn't know there was a Thamesmead West, just thought there was Thamesmead lol - thanks for informing me. Well...according to Google, the 122 terminates at "Thamesmead West"
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