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Post by vjaska on Jun 29, 2014 11:15:23 GMT
I think Brixton is relatively safe from any night route cuts - whilst the N2 does follow the Victoria Line between Brixton & Victoria, it's apparent reliability issues would be eased at weekends with people jumping on the tube instead for Brixton to Victoria journeys - anyone wanting Tulse, West Norwood & Crystal Palace would still use the N2 (or N3 if they wanted). The rest of Brixton's night routes don't follow the Underground that much (N35 & N133 follows part City branch but that wouldn't be running).
Trying to think of Brixton routes that, following the Night Tube existing, would benefit from 24 hour operation is difficult primarily because for years, Brixton and the surrounding buses are well served by night routes.
Towards Camberwell - the 345 & N35
Towards Oval - the 159, N3, N109 & N133
Towards Stockwell - the 345 & N2
Towards Clapham Common - the 37 & N35
Towards Streatham Hill - the 159, 250, N109 & N133
Towards Tulse Hill - the N2
Towards Herne Hill - the 37 & N3
There are very few gaps, if any, to plug. The P4 as a 24 hour service comes to mind as it would plug a number of gaps up but I'm not sure if it's relevance to the Night Tube existing or because Brixton has a very busy nightlife scene. The 355 is another one which could plug up the gap between Brixton Underground Station & Balham Underground Station - late journeys on the 355 are very busy between these two stations already from my observations. Those aside, I can't see any other Brixton routes turning 24 hour once the Night Tube is started.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 29, 2014 12:38:44 GMT
Could this potentially see the end to night buses and create 24 hour routes instead? Food for thought! It's unlikely as not all tube will be overnight, but this could be the start of removing some night buses In a word, no. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 29, 2014 21:00:25 GMT
Could this potentially see the end to night buses and create 24 hour routes instead? Food for thought! It's unlikely as not all tube will be overnight, but this could be the start of removing some night buses In a word, no. Out of curiosity why so adamant with your reply? I could plausibly see the N8 become a 24 hour route 8 with a night 257 and night 150 covering the outer bits combined with the Central Line. The one issue that may upset things is that for many people they have a cheap ride home on a direct night bus. The future would be a much more expensive Tube and possibly a connecting bus which is vastly more expensive for many people. While people do trade speed against cost the differential on journey times is much lower at night with night buses being generally much quicker than day buses. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 29, 2014 21:10:29 GMT
Out of curiosity why so adamant with your reply? I could plausibly see the N8 become a 24 hour route 8 with a night 257 and night 150 covering the outer bits combined with the Central Line. The one issue that may upset things is that for many people they have a cheap ride home on a direct night bus. The future would be a much more expensive Tube and possibly a connecting bus which is vastly more expensive for many people. While people do trade speed against cost the differential on journey times is much lower at night with night buses being generally much quicker than day buses. N prefix routes in South West, South & South East London would surely not be included primarily as there is no parallel tube service? |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 29, 2014 21:20:41 GMT
Out of curiosity why so adamant with your reply? I could plausibly see the N8 become a 24 hour route 8 with a night 257 and night 150 covering the outer bits combined with the Central Line. The one issue that may upset things is that for many people they have a cheap ride home on a direct night bus. The future would be a much more expensive Tube and possibly a connecting bus which is vastly more expensive for many people. While people do trade speed against cost the differential on journey times is much lower at night with night buses being generally much quicker than day buses. N prefix routes in South West, South & South East London would surely not be included primarily as there is no parallel tube service? You could construct an argument that removes the N109 and just makes it a 24 hour 109 starting at Brixton. You could also take a view about the need for the N155 if the Northern Line is running 8 tph from Charing Cross to Morden. SW and SE London are unlikely to be touched at the present time. However when the sub surface lines are brought into the Night Tube then you need to think about services running to Putney, Wimbledon and Richmond. Clearly this is all speculation and as I said at the start I doubt much will change for at least six months after the initial Night Tube service launches. |
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Post by jay38a on Jun 29, 2014 21:22:11 GMT
Think a few routes out North Greenwich could have a night service connecting to the Tube, these include the 422 and 161
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Post by routew15 on Jun 29, 2014 21:32:57 GMT
Maybe its time to reintroduce night services that stretch to the first town beyond the London border - atm I can see only Waltham Cross, presumably because the Bus Station there is a TfL one? Dartford, Epsom, Letherhead, Staines, Watford? To add to the list Redhill & Caterham also Here is an idea of mine in reference to Caterham Night Bus Route: Bus Route N77 Trafalgar Square - Strand - Waterloo Bridge - York Road - Lambeth Palace Road - Albert Embankment - Vauxhall Cross Bus Station - Wandsworth Road - Lavender Hill - St John's Road - Battersea Rise - Spencer Park - Windmill Road - Earlsfield Road - Garratt Lane - Tooting Broadway Station - Mitcham Road - Tooting Station - London Road - Mitcham Fair Green - London Road - Mitcham Cricket Green - Cricket Green - Cranmer Road - Carshalton Road - London Road - Carshalton - Manor Road - Wallington Station - Wallington Town Centre - Woodcote Road - Foxley Lane - Purley Library - Purley Tesco - Godstone Road - Whyteleafe Station - Godstone Road - Croydon Road Caterham Route synopsis: Covers route 77 (full length), route 280 (minorly), route 127 (full length), route 407 (partially) (Feedback welcome) |
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Post by routew15 on Jun 29, 2014 21:51:56 GMT
My night nominations are:
183, 486, 46, 493, 245, 144, 251, 307 & 507,
the 236 & 274 should also have there night services reinstated
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Post by 6HP502C on Jun 29, 2014 22:59:19 GMT
Out of curiosity why so adamant with your reply? I could plausibly see the N8 become a 24 hour route 8 with a night 257 and night 150 covering the outer bits combined with the Central Line. The one issue that may upset things is that for many people they have a cheap ride home on a direct night bus. The future would be a much more expensive Tube and possibly a connecting bus which is vastly more expensive for many people. While people do trade speed against cost the differential on journey times is much lower at night with night buses being generally much quicker than day buses. I read it as seeing an end to N prefixed routes as a whole, which is what I don't see happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 2:48:04 GMT
To add to the list Redhill & Caterham also Here is an idea of mine in reference to Caterham Night Bus Route: Bus Route N77 Trafalgar Square - Strand - Waterloo Bridge - York Road - Lambeth Palace Road - Albert Embankment - Vauxhall Cross Bus Station - Wandsworth Road - Lavender Hill - St John's Road - Battersea Rise - Spencer Park - Windmill Road - Earlsfield Road - Garratt Lane - Tooting Broadway Station - Mitcham Road - Tooting Station - London Road - Mitcham Fair Green - London Road - Mitcham Cricket Green - Cricket Green - Cranmer Road - Carshalton Road - London Road - Carshalton - Manor Road - Wallington Station - Wallington Town Centre - Woodcote Road - Foxley Lane - Purley Library - Purley Tesco - Godstone Road - Whyteleafe Station - Godstone Road - Croydon Road Caterham Route synopsis: Covers route 77 (full length), route 280 (minorly), route 127 (full length), route 407 (partially) (Feedback welcome) Running time and frequency? |
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Post by sid on Jun 30, 2014 9:27:45 GMT
Presumably there will be a reduction in the N9, at least east of Hammersmith?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 11:05:03 GMT
Presumably there will be a reduction in the N9, at least east of Hammersmith? I dont think that will be possible..the Piccadilly Line mirrors the A4 rather than the A305. Brentford , Chiswick ,Ravenscourt Park wont have any night tube. They will still need the N9. |
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Post by sid on Jul 3, 2014 13:55:31 GMT
Presumably there will be a reduction in the N9, at least east of Hammersmith? I dont think that will be possible..the Piccadilly Line mirrors the A4 rather than the A305. Brentford , Chiswick ,Ravenscourt Park wont have any night tube. They will still need the N9. I'm not suggesting getting rid of it all together just a frequency reduction perhaps? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 14:24:42 GMT
I dont think that will be possible..the Piccadilly Line mirrors the A4 rather than the A305. Brentford , Chiswick ,Ravenscourt Park wont have any night tube. They will still need the N9. I'm not suggesting getting rid of it all together just a frequency reduction perhaps? Possibly. I think if a frequency reduction was brought in, the spare duties could be deployed elsewhere, a 24hr H37 for example ? |
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Post by l1group on Jul 3, 2014 18:22:27 GMT
391, given that it runs parallel to the District line to Hammersmith, or even an N391, running either via N97 beyond Hammersmith or diverted at Fulham Broadway via 414 to South Kensington then via C1 to Victoria, thus connecting the Richmond branch of the District line to a Night Bus. Or just extend N97 to Richmond via 391 if you have to, but that might not be feasible as the N11, N9 and (N)65 exist for all those. I'm not suggesting getting rid of it all together just a frequency reduction perhaps? Possibly. I think if a frequency reduction was brought in, the spare duties could be deployed elsewhere, a 24hr H37 for example ? Some will not like that! Oh well, we'll see when it's in place and TfL consult but still go ahead with what they want... Route N9 is still used by shift workers at Heathrow who live alongside the N9, not necessarily near the Piccadilly Line, and goes on the A315 corridor, it can get busy nearly every day (I know, I go on it when I can) - which is partly why it finishes last overall as well. There could be a case of it being diverted to serve Terminal 4 then Terminal 5, the Central Bus Station served by existing buses (111N, 140N, 105N, 285N) and Tube from Hounslow West. Or even route it round the whole lot and divert via Terminal 4, then T5 to terminate at Central! Remember though the Night Tube Picc Line does serve Turnham Green, apparently. So Chiswick is (barely) served (a lot of Chiswick is south of the station!). |
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