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Post by snoggle on Feb 17, 2018 16:12:07 GMT
I was more wondering the fate of the 277 west of Dalston Junction when the NiOv is extended to Highbury & Islington. Despite loadings being very consistent on weekday nights with 8-10 passengers from the first stop at Highbury Corner, it won't matter to TfL so my bet is the route will be culled within a matter of weeks when the Night Overground gets extended. I suspect Citymapper are more worried. I don't expect their CM2 service to last much longer given the Overground will almost wholly replicate it. The 277 is dependent on whatever TfL decide about the Highbury Corner changes. They are now overdue to provide their conclusions but the plan was to extend the N277 not curtail it. If the Night 277 has maintained a decent ridership despite the CM2 then that suggests to me that people may well be travelling beyond Dalston or want stops that are closer to their homes than the nearest Overground stop is. It makes little sense to me to curtail the N277 at Dalston Junction. Despite the Night Overground starting there remains merit in still reaching Highbury Corner for other night bus links plus the Victoria Line. |
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 17, 2018 16:14:56 GMT
As the night Overground is to be extended to Highbury & Islington to connect with the Victoria Line, I wonder if people in the Shoreditch travelling to Brixton, area will now travel this way, and the 35 will see a drop in custom as a result of this? What’s the frequency of the Overground & Victoria Line at night as well as average wait at Highbury & Islington? NiOv is a 15 minute wait, Victoria line is 10 minutes. Tbh those travelling from Dalston to Clapham/Brixton have switched to Uber from night bus a looooong time ago; so there is a potential for private hire car usage in the Dalston area to drop. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 17, 2018 16:17:42 GMT
As the night Overground is to be extended to Highbury & Islington to connect with the Victoria Line, I wonder if people in the Shoreditch travelling to Brixton, area will now travel this way, and the 35 will see a drop in custom as a result of this? What’s the frequency of the Overground & Victoria Line at night as well as average wait at Highbury & Islington? At night the tube is every 10 and Overground every 15 mins. In theory the average wait would be 5 mins for the tube and 7.5 mins for the Overground assuming the service runs precisely to time and you have a large sample size. |
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Post by redexpress on Feb 18, 2018 1:27:28 GMT
I was more wondering the fate of the 277 west of Dalston Junction when the NiOv is extended to Highbury & Islington. Despite loadings being very consistent on weekday nights with 8-10 passengers from the first stop at Highbury Corner, it won't matter to TfL so my bet is the route will be culled within a matter of weeks when the Night Overground gets extended. I suspect Citymapper are more worried. I don't expect their CM2 service to last much longer given the Overground will almost wholly replicate it. The 277 is dependent on whatever TfL decide about the Highbury Corner changes. They are now overdue to provide their conclusions but the plan was to extend the N277 not curtail it. If the Night 277 has maintained a decent ridership despite the CM2 then that suggests to me that people may well be travelling beyond Dalston or want stops that are closer to their homes than the nearest Overground stop is. It makes little sense to me to curtail the N277 at Dalston Junction. Despite the Night Overground starting there remains merit in still reaching Highbury Corner for other night bus links plus the Victoria Line. I don't think the CM2 is meant to be a money-spinner for Citymapper so they probably won't be losing too much sleep over it. Having seen a few CM2s since the Night Overground started I've been slightly surprised to see they're not completely empty, including people boarding southbound buses on Kingsland Road (i.e. they're not all making use of the unique round-the-corner link). No sign of the Enviro200s though; 2 or 3 extra Sprinters (former Avis / Budget shuttle buses at Heathrow, now in Citymapper green) seem to have taken their place. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 25, 2018 14:08:05 GMT
When CM2 started running, a mixed E200 + minibus operation was in play (to my dismay, as the minis seemed a bit small).
As I did it on night 1, it was a bit plain.
However one of my mates later went to snap it and the Sprinter he got captured was rammed lol
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 30, 2018 13:24:51 GMT
Things are not looking good for the 35N this weekend. The 3pbh service level really seemed to struggle last night (which was effectively a weekend night out for revellers) and people were being left behind. With no Night Tube service for the Northern line at London Bridge, I really don't see the need for TfL to play with fire by reducing the 35N to 4pbh.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 30, 2018 15:52:13 GMT
Things are not looking good for the 35N this weekend. The 3pbh service level really seemed to struggle last night (which was effectively a weekend night out for revellers) and people were being left behind. With no Night Tube service for the Northern line at London Bridge, I really don't see the need for TfL to play with fire by reducing the 35N to 4pbh. You seem to imagine anyone at TfL gives a t*ss. They have no targets to serve the public at night. They have targets to make cuts. As the senior management at Surface Transport is now new they will be going after the cuts with great gusto so they achieve their performance bonuses. You need to understand the psyche that applies with new people who are desperate to show they can do the job they are appointed to. It's too soon for any of the inevitable sh*t to have hit the fan so they don't appreciate what is going on as they pursue their targets with vigour. From Sunday it's a new financial year at TfL and the pursuit of savings will accelerate. I expect parts of the night bus network to go altogether within 6 months. |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 11, 2019 23:17:38 GMT
Today marks the 4th year of Night Tube (initially Central & Victoria lines) operating. It's also 4 years since:
- routes 47, 222 and 238 were converted into 24 hour daily routes
- the creation of route N199
- routes 123, 132, 154, 158 and 486 were converted into 24 hour weekend routes
- route N133 was extended to Morden from Mitcham
- all routes served Canada Water bus station at all times, ending the ban on buses from 01:00 to 05:00.
I shall use every breath to call for one or two of the 17 weekend night bus routes to run 24/7. I strongly suggest the 123 and the 145 seeing as they've been in the top 3 used weekend night routes since their inception, and I'm certain passengers would use these routes on weekday nights considering there are no quick alternatives to their respective links. I'd also pine for the 154N to run all week long, precisely to plug a gap in the night-time network TfL left after removing the N213 from Croydon.
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Post by ronnie on Sept 12, 2019 1:35:36 GMT
Today marks the 4th year of Night Tube (initially Central & Victoria lines) operating. It's also 4 years since: - routes 47, 222 and 238 were converted into 24 hour daily routes - the creation of route N199 - routes 123, 132, 154, 158 and 486 were converted into 24 hour weekend routes - route N133 was extended to Morden from Mitcham - all routes served Canada Water bus station at all times, ending the ban on buses from 01:00 to 05:00. I shall use every breath to call for one or two of the 17 weekend night bus routes to run 24/7. I strongly suggest the 123 and the 145 seeing as they've been in the top 3 used weekend night routes since their inception, and I'm certain passengers would use these routes on weekday nights considering there are no quick alternatives to their respective links. I'd also pine for the 154N to run all week long, precisely to plug a gap in the night-time network TfL left after removing the N213 from Croydon. Agree on the 123 and 145. These are excellent critical routes - likely to be well used given the areas they serve / links they create |
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Post by richard on Sept 16, 2019 0:22:18 GMT
Today marks the 4th year of Night Tube (initially Central & Victoria lines) operating. It's also 4 years since: - routes 47, 222 and 238 were converted into 24 hour daily routes - the creation of route N199 - routes 123, 132, 154, 158 and 486 were converted into 24 hour weekend routes - route N133 was extended to Morden from Mitcham - all routes served Canada Water bus station at all times, ending the ban on buses from 01:00 to 05:00. I shall use every breath to call for one or two of the 17 weekend night bus routes to run 24/7. I strongly suggest the 123 and the 145 seeing as they've been in the top 3 used weekend night routes since their inception, and I'm certain passengers would use these routes on weekday nights considering there are no quick alternatives to their respective links. I'd also pine for the 154N to run all week long, precisely to plug a gap in the night-time network TfL left after removing the N213 from Croydon. From using the 123 during Night Tube hours i think it should be 24/7 every night during non night tube hours its still busy but not overcrowded like the N25 at Weekend's |
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Post by dominic on Dec 6, 2022 7:47:48 GMT
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Post by uakari on Dec 9, 2022 15:22:55 GMT
Fingers crossed it will be all of the previous ones, although that unfortunately won't include the night 145 that they're scrapping. Perhaps if the district line ever gets the night tube that will come back as well. Why are they removing it and possibly the 154 if they were among the most used? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 9, 2022 15:33:22 GMT
Fingers crossed it will be all of the previous ones, although that unfortunately won't include the night 145 that they're scrapping. Perhaps if the district line ever gets the night tube that will come back as well. Why are they removing it and possibly the 154 if they were among the most used? The article is really poorly written as is usual from My London. It doesn’t even consider that the 145N has already been confirmed as permanently withdrawn. It’s essentially clickbait as even the TfL spokesperson quoted didn’t offer any hope of them returning. Besides with the loss of two late night journeys on the 154 the writing is pretty much on the wall for the extra night routes. |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 9, 2022 16:19:20 GMT
Fingers crossed it will be all of the previous ones, although that unfortunately won't include the night 145 that they're scrapping. Perhaps if the district line ever gets the night tube that will come back as well. Why are they removing it and possibly the 154 if they were among the most used? The article is really poorly written as is usual from My London. It doesn’t even consider that the 145N has already been confirmed as permanently withdrawn. It’s essentially clickbait as even the TfL spokesperson quoted didn’t offer any hope of them returning. Besides with the loss of two late night journeys on the 154 the writing is pretty much on the wall for the extra night routes. At first I thought TfL had factored in the 145N withdrawal with the article quoting 16 weekend night bus routes. After going through the list and remembering the 17 weekend routes and 3 24 hour routes borne from the Night Tube, I realised they left out the 132N. With that being said, the winter months should be the opportune time to reintroduce at least some of these routes. The Tube has reportedly surpassed usage figures from pre-pandemic levels at shopping destinations like Oxford Circus in the past weekend. TfL cannot hide behind a lack of demand as an excuse; at least reinstate the 123 and the North Greenwich routes which consistently broke even. |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 9, 2022 17:49:49 GMT
Fingers crossed it will be all of the previous ones, although that unfortunately won't include the night 145 that they're scrapping. Perhaps if the district line ever gets the night tube that will come back as well. Why are they removing it and possibly the 154 if they were among the most used? The article is really poorly written as is usual from My London. It doesn’t even consider that the 145N has already been confirmed as permanently withdrawn. It’s essentially clickbait as even the TfL spokesperson quoted didn’t offer any hope of them returning. Besides with the loss of two late night journeys on the 154 the writing is pretty much on the wall for the extra night routes. Going to probably make a really unpopular post here but don't think weekend night routes should return in the current climate. Yes we are in the busy Christmas period but then after that back to winter and people having to tighten their belts with money both because of Christmas and the cost of living crises that's likely to get worse in 2023.
Not a fan of things like Uber but think if you are out on a very late night these are the ideal solution for getting home from stations. Yes buses are cheaper but should TfL be subsidising nights on on the town. What do people do that go out late on other nights of week?
This is on my own view before I get lynched.
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