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Post by moz on Sept 26, 2014 23:43:27 GMT
The 23 manages alright from what I've seen The 23 infact gets regularly overcrowded, especially along the City/Fleet Street corridor in the peaks and the weekends by tourists. At least if the 6 is extended to St Pauls it would help out the 23 as well as the 15 between the City and the West End. It's been like that for as long as I can remember, tourists descend upon The City like locusts of a weekend! I can well remember doing Sat/Sun rest days from RA on RMLs when SW was short staffed and the controller would have two buses just doing Liverpool Street- Victoria shorts to clear the crowds (bear in mind the 23 only ran to Aldwych at weekends back then) and all the other routes like the 8 and 15 were, like us, fully rammed and basically running non-stop from Bank through to Aldwych. Even recently when I used to do the 133s, the stops at Liverpool Street for the 11/23 on a weekend were queueing like it was a rush hour. If anything was to be extended then I'd recommend the 9 through to Liverpool Street as it gives a 'third way' out of the maelstrom and would reinstate a badly broken link, though I would want it to go 7-day crew-op the same as the 11 as it would be yet another tourist magnet. Moz |
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Post by rmz19 on Sept 27, 2014 2:02:49 GMT
It's funny how, just as soon as you think The City is in relax mode during the weekend, it's still very much alive with tourists!. It's great, the bus route system just needs a little tweaking in certain areas to provide even the slightest bit of enhancement, which for today's standards is good enough!.
A 9 extension to Liverpool Street/London Bridge would be brilliant, I also thought the 6 is an ideal candidate to assist the 23 as they already have a generous overlap, and tourists/commuters would consequently have 2 routes to get them from The City/St Paul's to the extents of The West End and vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 4:19:49 GMT
428 to Barking:
Bluewater
Darent Valley Hospital
Dartford
Crayford
Slade Green
North End
Erith
Belvedere Bridge
Dagenham (Cheqers Corner)
Rippleside
Barking
They can also run double deckers on the route.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 27, 2014 8:06:40 GMT
428 to Barking: Bluewater Darent Valley Hospital Dartford Crayford Slade Green North End Erith Belvedere Bridge Dagenham (Cheqers Corner) Rippleside Barking They can also run double deckers on the route. Even if the Belvedere Bridge ever opens, I'd still prefer the 428 to head for Upper Belvedere, Heron Hill and Abbey Wood, to connect with Crossrail. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 8:58:20 GMT
428 to Barking: Bluewater Darent Valley Hospital Dartford Crayford Slade Green North End Erith Belvedere Bridge Dagenham (Cheqers Corner) Rippleside Barking They can also run double deckers on the route. Even if the Belvedere Bridge ever opens, I'd still prefer the 428 to head for Upper Belvedere, Heron Hill and Abbey Wood, to connect with Crossrail. I'd prefer my way because, us across the river need to use Bluewater too. Plus, if Greenhithe becomes part of the Oyster zone when Paramount World London opens, Crossrail users can catch a train there and if the 492 could stop there, they could do it using there Oyster. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 9:05:44 GMT
498 to Basildon:
Romford
Gidea Park
Gallows Corner
Harold Park
Brook Street
Brentwood
Ingrave
Herongate
Southfields
Laindon
Lee Chapel North
Basildon
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 27, 2014 9:27:39 GMT
Even if the Belvedere Bridge ever opens, I'd still prefer the 428 to head for Upper Belvedere, Heron Hill and Abbey Wood, to connect with Crossrail. I'd prefer my way because, us across the river need to use Bluewater too. Plus, if Greenhithe becomes part of the Oyster zone when Paramount World London opens, Crossrail users can catch a train there and if the 492 could stop there, they could do it using there Oyster. Ensignbus' X80 suggests there isn't a massive demand from north of the river to Bluewater. Certainly not enough for a 428 extension. It might be worth looking at a short route from your beloved Dagenham to Lakeside (which could be done now rather than in 20 plus years time!), where you could connect to X80 to points south. Then I can have my 428 extension to Abbey Wood. Thank you  |
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Post by Nathan on Sept 27, 2014 11:58:50 GMT
498 to Basildon: Romford Gidea Park Gallows Corner Harold Park Brook Street Brentwood Ingrave Herongate Southfields Laindon Lee Chapel North Basildon I don't quite know the area...but I think it's safe to say Brentwood is far enough. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2014 11:59:45 GMT
498 to Basildon: Romford Gidea Park Gallows Corner Harold Park Brook Street Brentwood Ingrave Herongate Southfields Laindon Lee Chapel North Basildon And again, what are the reasons why - seriously, there's no point suggesting an idea if your not going to give reasons. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 27, 2014 13:35:03 GMT
498 to Basildon: Romford Gidea Park Gallows Corner Harold Park Brook Street Brentwood Ingrave Herongate Southfields Laindon Lee Chapel North Basildon And again, what are the reasons why - seriously, there's no point suggesting an idea if your not going to give reasons. There is already a First route (9) from Brentwood to Basildon, and although it doesn't quite go the same way as rockorange's route, it seems good enough. The 498 isn't a particularly long route, but I don't really see anywhere to extend it that wouldn't already be covered well by other services, apart from maybe a short extension to the leisure centre in Doddinghurst Road, Brentwood. Even then, I think the case is marginal at best. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 27, 2014 14:23:25 GMT
And again, what are the reasons why - seriously, there's no point suggesting an idea if your not going to give reasons. There is already a First route (9) from Brentwood to Basildon, and although it doesn't quite go the same way as rockorange's route, it seems good enough. The 498 isn't a particularly long route, but I don't really see anywhere to extend it that wouldn't already be covered well by other services, apart from maybe a short extension to the leisure centre in Doddinghurst Road, Brentwood. Even then, I think the case is marginal at best. More pertinently it is not really TfL's job to run bus services in Essex. It mopped up the consequences of mass withdrawal of Thamesway and Arriva routes that formerly crossed the boundary before TfL tightened up emission controls and decided it didn't like London Local Service Agreements where travelcards and bus passes were valid on non TfL routes. Oyster has clearly made things more difficult as machines outside London can't read them. That's the only reason why we have the 370, 372, 375 and 498 routes limping to or across the Gtr London boundary. Where things will get a tiny bit more interesting is when TfL take over the Shenfield line under Crossrail operation from May 2015 and whether that changes the expectations about where TfL tickets work in Brentwood and if there should be a TfL bus to Shenfield. I can't see First Essex or Ensign being very happy about that sort of prospect as there is clearly a level of peak demand to link from housing areas to Shenfield and Brentwood Stations. Nonetheless there is still the fundamental problem of money and I can't see TfL spending any spare bus budget on extending th 498 further into Essex. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 16:57:21 GMT
I'd prefer my way because, us across the river need to use Bluewater too. Plus, if Greenhithe becomes part of the Oyster zone when Paramount World London opens, Crossrail users can catch a train there and if the 492 could stop there, they could do it using there Oyster. Ensignbus' X80 suggests there isn't a massive demand from north of the river to Bluewater. Certainly not enough for a 428 extension. It might be worth looking at a short route from your beloved Dagenham to Lakeside (which could be done now rather than in 20 plus years time!), where you could connect to X80 to points south. Then I can have my 428 extension to Abbey Wood. Thank you I'd take it to Thamesmead myself but, whatever floats your boat. |
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Post by Connor on Sept 27, 2014 16:59:34 GMT
Ensignbus' X80 suggests there isn't a massive demand from north of the river to Bluewater. Certainly not enough for a 428 extension. It might be worth looking at a short route from your beloved Dagenham to Lakeside (which could be done now rather than in 20 plus years time!), where you could connect to X80 to points south. Then I can have my 428 extension to Abbey Wood. Thank you I'd take it to Thamesmead myself but, whatever floats your boat. Eewwww, why Thamesmead?!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 19:17:52 GMT
I'd take it to Thamesmead myself but, whatever floats your boat. Eewwww, why Thamesmead?! For a better link from there to Bluewater. |
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Post by snowman on Sept 27, 2014 20:20:40 GMT
My fantasy idea would be to scrap all routes in zone1 in 2018. That is when the full Thameslink service comes on stream and the Paddington - Abbey Wood part of crossrail opens.
I dont mean get rid of altogether, but would start from a clean sheet of paper and create replacement routes consistent with 2020s traffic objectives not old historic routes
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