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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 1, 2021 18:46:59 GMT
There would technically be same frequencies along the Croydon - New Addington sections of the routes & Brixton - Thornton Heath corridors but there would be a reduction along the Croydon to Thornton Heath corridor and there would still be the same frequency say if you were doing a Norbury to Croydon University journey so I don't see what the problem is with that and I understand that passengers may not see the full benefits in it at the current climate - but by the looks of things Brixton has quite a large night time market and obviously the night tube at Brixton could potentially be a hit though I do understand there is 24 hour Thameslink services at East Croydon but then lots of night time passengers using night buses do long journeys and I think the higher frequency of the Victoria Line could potentially be a hit. I know you're local - but is Brixton traffic at night really bad? I know during the day the Brixton Hill can sometimes be a travesty and as you've mentioned LTNs have affected daytime traffic, but if there's no problems there reliability in the sense of the customer perspective would not be an issue and I'd say the only problem mainly where reliability can be a problem in a NON-COVID world would possibly be Central London?
I've not mentioned nothing about reliability - most 64 users at night are highly likely going to Croydon or possibly the hospital and any who are going further afield would change onto a N109. Merging the 64 & 250 simply means your sending a few people on a longer journey that has little benefit as most 250 passengers are unlikely going to cross Croydon unless coming from the hospital. A lot of people over the past few years tend to stick closer to home for nights out and I'd imagine many Croydon residents go no further than Croydon itself. The only way a merged 64 works is if the old N159 returned but as two separate routes, say a N109 from Brixton/Streatham to New Addington & a N159 from Oxford Circus to Brixton/Streatham. The 250 is better as a standalone route doing what it currently does at night The issue with the last idea might be that you would break links from Central London to Croydon/Thornton Heath/Norbury and I definitely realise that it might not be ideal having a merged 64/250 for the reasons you mentioned but perhaps to eliminate any concerns about longer journeys perhaps it should be quite heavily publicised that the change is taking place providing it has gone through a consultation process and I'm sure that anyone who would wish to change onto an N109 like they would do at present would do so as I agree the 250 is not as direct (though, still very well used both day and night). I personally think the night network could do in some places with a bit of a reshuffle for example South Norwood. Upper Belvedere is another big one, that has brands like Ocado and lots of distribution companies in the industrial estate, perhaps in order to co-ordinate a night service on this, there could be some changes made to the N53/possibly the N89? (though not local) |
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Post by someone on Aug 1, 2021 18:48:05 GMT
Was in Kingston yesterday, and I thought that another small "K" route could be added to the network, so here it is: NEW route K6 - Kingston to Wimbledon War Memorial
towards Wimbledon War Memorial:
CROMWELL ROAD BUS STATION (A13)
Eden Street (D1)
St James's Road (H)
Guildhall/Rose Theatre (J)
Kingston Hall Road (UL)
Fairfield South (no letter)
Hawks Road (new stop, no letter)
Bonner Hill Road/Hawks Road (new stop, no letter)
Piper Road (new stop, no letter)
Gladstone Road (new stop, no letter)
Hampden Road (new stop, no letter)
Cambridge Grove (L)
Vicarage House (no letter)
Gordon Road (NZ)
Clifton Road/Park Road (new stop, no letter)
Canbury Park Road (new stop, no letter)
Dagmar Road (new stop, no letter)
Alexandra Road (new stop, no letter)
Queen's Road (new stop, no letter)
Queen's Road/Kingston Hospital (NM)
Kingston Hospital (NK)
Wolsey Close (NG)
Albion Road (no letter)
Coombe Hill School (no letter
Traps Lane (no letter)
New Victoria Hospital (no letter)
Holland Avenue (no letter)
Burdett Avenue (new stop, no letter)
Melville Avenue (new stop, no letter)
Lindisfarne Road (new stop, no letter)
Atkinson Close (new stop, no letter)
Cottenham Park Road (no letter)
Woodhayes Road/Ridgway (new stop, J)
Peregrine Way (new stop, K)
Woodhayes Road/King's College School (new stop, L)
Southside Common/King's College School (new stop, M)
Lauriston Road (new stop, N)
Lingfield Road (new stop, P)
Marryat Road (Q)
WIMBLEDON WAR MEMORIAL (new stop, A)
towards Kingston:
WIMBLEDON WAR MEMORIAL (new stop, A)
The Green (new stop, B)
The Grange (new stop, C)
Lauriston Road (new stop, D)
Southside Common/King's College School (new stop, E)
Woodhayes Road/King's College School (new stop, F)
Peregrine Way (new stop, G)
Woodhayes Road/Ridgway (new stop, H)
High Cedar Drive (no letter)
Atkinson Close (new stop, no letter)
Lindisfarne Road (new stop, no letter)
Burdett Avenue (new stop, no letter)
Holland Avenue (no letter)
New Victoria Hospital (no letter)
Traps Lane (no letter)
Coombe Hill School (no letter)
Albion Road (no letter)
Galsworthy Road/Norbiton Station (NE)
Kingston Hospital (NH)
Queen's Road/Kingston Hospital (NL)
Queen's Road (new stop, no letter)
Alexandra Road (new stop, no letter)
Dagmar Road (new stop, no letter)
Elton Road (new stop, no letter)
Manorgate Road (NS)
Gordon Road (NW)
Vicarage House (no letter)
Cambridge Grove (A)
Hampden Road (new stop, no letter)
Gladstone Road (new stop, no letter)
Piper Road (new stop, no letter)
Bonner Hill Road/Hawks Road (new stop, no letter)
Hawks Road (new stop, no letter)
Faifield South (no letter)
Kingston Hall Road (UK)
Guildhall/Rose Theatre (K)
Eden Street (E3)
CROMWELL ROAD BUS STATION (A2)
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Post by COBO on Aug 4, 2021 21:16:42 GMT
Could to save costs the N64/N250 be merged and the N52/N297 be merged? Even for night routes the N52/N297 would just be weird route with a big U shape cos your going all the way north to the Kingsbury then just going south to Ealing, whereas the N64/N250 could work as its more streamlined, I would say a N297 extension to somewhere like Heathrow would create more links. I know the N253 has a U-shaped route, but that is on a much smaller scale though, creating useful local links. The N297 doesn’t go to Kingsbury. |
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Post by COBO on Aug 4, 2021 21:33:51 GMT
95: extended from Southall Town Hall to Heathrow Central via route 105. Converted to Double Deck. To act as relief for the 105.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 4, 2021 22:01:53 GMT
95: extended from Southall Town Hall to Heathrow Central via route 105. Converted to Double Deck. To act as relief for the 105. Far too lengthy although it definitely should return to double decker operation. |
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Post by COBO on Aug 5, 2021 1:09:07 GMT
95: extended from Southall Town Hall to Heathrow Central via route 105. Converted to Double Deck. To act as relief for the 105. Far too lengthy although it definitely should return to double decker operation. Totally. I just feel like the 105 could do with some support between Heathrow and Southall. I don’t think that a frequency will cut it because even when it’s frequency was at every 10 minutes it was still heaving. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 6:29:47 GMT
95: extended from Southall Town Hall to Heathrow Central via route 105. Converted to Double Deck. To act as relief for the 105. The 95 is already quite long so I don't think an extension of that length would work. Also it suffers from traffic hotspots on the A40. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Aug 5, 2021 9:15:21 GMT
95: extended from Southall Town Hall to Heathrow Central via route 105. Converted to Double Deck. To act as relief for the 105. Wouldn't that technically be what the 105 was before the 95 came about in the 90s? |
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Post by COBO on Aug 5, 2021 9:18:26 GMT
95: extended from Southall Town Hall to Heathrow Central via route 105. Converted to Double Deck. To act as relief for the 105. Wouldn't that technically be what the 105 was before the 95 came about in the 90s? Yes it would. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 5, 2021 9:20:15 GMT
95: extended from Southall Town Hall to Heathrow Central via route 105. Converted to Double Deck. To act as relief for the 105. If the 105 needs relief, increase the frequency. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 5, 2021 9:47:40 GMT
95: extended from Southall Town Hall to Heathrow Central via route 105. Converted to Double Deck. To act as relief for the 105. If the 105 needs relief, increase the frequency. I'm not sure the whole route needs a frequency increase though........ I'm guessing something like 6 or 8bhp Heathrow to Southall and 3 or 4bph to Greenford might match demand better? |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 5, 2021 11:00:24 GMT
If the 105 needs relief, increase the frequency. I'm not sure the whole route needs a frequency increase though........ I'm guessing something like 6 or 8bhp Heathrow to Southall and 3 or 4bph to Greenford might match demand better? I expect there are problems around shift change times, possibly a few extra Southall-Heathrow and v.v. journeys could be slotted in at the appropriate times. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 5, 2021 11:31:42 GMT
If the 105 needs relief, increase the frequency. I'm not sure the whole route needs a frequency increase though........ I'm guessing something like 6 or 8bhp Heathrow to Southall and 3 or 4bph to Greenford might match demand better? I think there are arguments for it to get a frequency increase across the whole route - Heathrow to Greenford Broadway is the busiest part but even the section up to Greenford is hardly quiet |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Aug 6, 2021 22:46:34 GMT
Even for night routes the N52/N297 would just be weird route with a big U shape cos your going all the way north to the Kingsbury then just going south to Ealing, whereas the N64/N250 could work as its more streamlined, I would say a N297 extension to somewhere like Heathrow would create more links. I know the N253 has a U-shaped route, but that is on a much smaller scale though, creating useful local links. The N297 doesn’t go to Kingsbury. Blackbird Cross is technically a part of Kingbury and TfL acknowledges this on the spider maps so... Attachment Deleted |
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Aug 8, 2021 18:43:06 GMT
443 - Finchley Central to Palace Gardens Terrace / Notting Hill Gate (Stop K) via Hyde Park Corner operated by Metroline (W) using mixture of Buses (No NBFLs)
Gives the 13 a bit more support between Golders Green and Swiss Cottage
446 - Colindale Superstores to Willesden Junction (New Hail and Ride serving Brent across West Station) Opertaed by RATP (BT) using new Alexander Dennis E200 MMCs 10.9m
with future developments in the area the 446 would link Colindale and Brent Cross West to Willesden Green, Dollis Hill and Willesden Junction. After Willesden Green Station the 446 would go via Park Ave and Park Ave North (Hail and Ride Section) then via route 226 until Pound Lane (Stop WU) then following route 226 terminating at Willesden Junction Station.
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