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Post by WH241 on Aug 16, 2021 19:14:29 GMT
So you would have the 15,147 and 241 all running via Keir Hardie or the 241 to Pontoon Dock? If so I'm repeating my self but you are then expecting passengers to either walk from Canning Town station or change buses to travel around to Barking Road. Believe me that wouldn't be popular, lots of older passengers / people with shopping who would be disadvantaged. I think the current proposed changes to the 474 are better than the 15 despite it giving another East Ham link,
I am really struggling to see what benefit the 15 would bring to Prince Regent especially with the Elizabeth Line opening soon. I can't see a big demand of passengers from here heading towards Aldgate.
Where did the 241 come into this? All I said was the 15 suggested plan could work in the sense that the current vehicles would not be used. I also said I'd leave the other buses exactly as it currently runs. That was more the 147 and 474. I may have missed the 241. As for the Elizabeth line link there may be some people who may not want to use the train and are possibly comfortable with buses. Granted the Barking Road Link wouldn't be there however it may just give new links bus wise. Again this doesn't mean this could happen. This was my intake on this. The 241 comes into because in the original suggestion made by nad1152597 he mentioned the 474 remains on its current route ( It is proposed to be rerouted via the current 241 from Barking Road to Custom House and the 241 curtailed at Custom House or extended to Pontoon Dock). Hence by reply about 3 routes running via Keir Hardie! Now I bite my lip a lot on these fantasy ideas but this one just seems bonkers and I feel I more than justified as I live on the line of route and see / use these routes a lot! Custom House roads are awful and just not suitable for buses unless Newham councils starts to clamp down on bad parking.
As for the argument about not wanting to use trains we lost that argument years ago in east London and have to put up with what we have and change buses when heading west, I did suggest Canning Town station would be a more sensible location for the 15 to terminate.. Would be slightly ironic just as we get a excellent rail link we also get a central London bus service back in the Canning Town area.
I think too many of these ideas are just lumping sections onto routes with no thought. I sea bonkers one a few months ago where it was suggested to merge the 300 and 323.
Anyway this is fantasy so not wasted any more energy on this.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 16, 2021 19:21:15 GMT
Where did the 241 come into this? All I said was the 15 suggested plan could work in the sense that the current vehicles would not be used. I also said I'd leave the other buses exactly as it currently runs. That was more the 147 and 474. I may have missed the 241. As for the Elizabeth line link there may be some people who may not want to use the train and are possibly comfortable with buses. Granted the Barking Road Link wouldn't be there however it may just give new links bus wise. Again this doesn't mean this could happen. This was my intake on this. I should have mentioned the 241 in these changes in my earlier post. Apologies for not doing so. The 241 would run to Royal Wharf so I don't think it would serve Keir Hardie anymore? Whilst the Barking Road shops link is important I would extend the 147 to the Barking Road stand to maintain links. If stand space is limited the 474 can terminate at Canning Town. I still think the 15 idea has potential. Two routes would serve Keir Hardie (15 & 147). I didn't think that far ahead about where the LT's would go. I am sure there are other South London routes that can go LT. I am clueless but maybe the 436's WHV's? I am happy with the 474 change by TFL. This is a fantasy thread so these changes are not happening anyway. Feedback is welcome but I think a certain member is taking things far too seriously. Criticising every single thing in a harsh manner isn't exactly what I need to keep reading. Erm I gave feedback on two of your suggestions yesterday - sorry am I only meant to agree and give positive praise? You are clearly goading for a reaction, lucky I am used to "New" members having a pop at me  .
Sorry to say this but you clearly don't know the area where you are proposing these routes. Have you seen the 147 stand at Caning Town Station? have you seen the stand at Hermit Road? I doubt you could stand the 147 there with the 474!
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 16, 2021 19:21:22 GMT
Where did the 241 come into this? All I said was the 15 suggested plan could work in the sense that the current vehicles would not be used. I also said I'd leave the other buses exactly as it currently runs. That was more the 147 and 474. I may have missed the 241. As for the Elizabeth line link there may be some people who may not want to use the train and are possibly comfortable with buses. Granted the Barking Road Link wouldn't be there however it may just give new links bus wise. Again this doesn't mean this could happen. This was my intake on this. The 241 comes into because in the original suggestion made by nad1152597 he mentioned the 474 remains on its current route ( It is proposed to be rerouted via the current 241 from Barking Road to Custom House and the 241 curtailed at Custom House or extended to Pontoon Dock). Hence by reply about 3 routes running via Keir Hardie! Now I bite my lip a lot on these fantasy ideas but this one just seems bonkers and I feel I more than justified as I live on the line of route and see / use these routes a lot! Custom House roads are awful and just not suitable for buses unless Newham councils starts to clamp down on bad parking.
As for the argument about not wanting to use trains we lost that argument years ago in east London and have to put up with what we have and change buses when heading west, I did suggest Canning Town station would be a more sensible location for the 15 to terminate.. Would be slightly ironic just as we get a excellent rail link we also get a central London bus service back in the Canning Town area.
I think too many of these ideas are just lumping sections onto routes with no thought. I sea bonkers one a few months ago where it was suggested to merge the 300 and 323.
Anyway this is fantasy so not wasted any more energy on this.
I'm sure a Central London bus link would be useful whenever Extinction Rebellion jump on top of a train next time at Canning Town  |
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Post by MKAY315 on Aug 16, 2021 19:50:06 GMT
The 241 comes into because in the original suggestion made by nad1152597 he mentioned the 474 remains on its current route ( It is proposed to be rerouted via the current 241 from Barking Road to Custom House and the 241 curtailed at Custom House or extended to Pontoon Dock). Hence by reply about 3 routes running via Keir Hardie! Now I bite my lip a lot on these fantasy ideas but this one just seems bonkers and I feel I more than justified as I live on the line of route and see / use these routes a lot! Custom House roads are awful and just not suitable for buses unless Newham councils starts to clamp down on bad parking.
As for the argument about not wanting to use trains we lost that argument years ago in east London and have to put up with what we have and change buses when heading west, I did suggest Canning Town station would be a more sensible location for the 15 to terminate.. Would be slightly ironic just as we get a excellent rail link we also get a central London bus service back in the Canning Town area.
I think too many of these ideas are just lumping sections onto routes with no thought. I sea bonkers one a few months ago where it was suggested to merge the 300 and 323.
Anyway this is fantasy so not wasted any more energy on this.
I'm sure a Central London bus link would be useful whenever Extinction Rebellion jump on top of a train next time at Canning Town They will learn to do better to NEVER pull a stunt like that again. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 20:02:37 GMT
The 241 comes into because in the original suggestion made by nad1152597 he mentioned the 474 remains on its current route ( It is proposed to be rerouted via the current 241 from Barking Road to Custom House and the 241 curtailed at Custom House or extended to Pontoon Dock). Hence by reply about 3 routes running via Keir Hardie! Now I bite my lip a lot on these fantasy ideas but this one just seems bonkers and I feel I more than justified as I live on the line of route and see / use these routes a lot! Custom House roads are awful and just not suitable for buses unless Newham councils starts to clamp down on bad parking.
As for the argument about not wanting to use trains we lost that argument years ago in east London and have to put up with what we have and change buses when heading west, I did suggest Canning Town station would be a more sensible location for the 15 to terminate.. Would be slightly ironic just as we get a excellent rail link we also get a central London bus service back in the Canning Town area.
I think too many of these ideas are just lumping sections onto routes with no thought. I sea bonkers one a few months ago where it was suggested to merge the 300 and 323.
Anyway this is fantasy so not wasted any more energy on this.
I'm sure a Central London bus link would be useful whenever Extinction Rebellion jump on top of a train next time at Canning Town They've got a demonstration in Trafalgar Square next Monday, be sure to avoid the area! |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 16, 2021 20:33:35 GMT
I'm sure a Central London bus link would be useful whenever Extinction Rebellion jump on top of a train next time at Canning Town They will learn to do better to NEVER pull a stunt like that again. Well you never know given the ego and hypocrisy of some of their representatives...cue Clare Farrell, Skeena Rathor Though Piers Morgan is not everyone's cups of tea, he bloody well dug into those loonies. And I'm glad. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Aug 16, 2021 20:42:05 GMT
They will learn to do better to NEVER pull a stunt like that again. Well you never know given the ego and hypocrisy of some of their representatives...cue Clare Farrell, Skeena Rathor Though Piers Morgan is not everyone's cups of tea, he bloody well dug into those loonies. And I'm glad. Hahahaha. |
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Post by busboy17 on Aug 30, 2021 0:21:11 GMT
Where did the 241 come into this? All I said was the 15 suggested plan could work in the sense that the current vehicles would not be used. I also said I'd leave the other buses exactly as it currently runs. That was more the 147 and 474. I may have missed the 241. As for the Elizabeth line link there may be some people who may not want to use the train and are possibly comfortable with buses. Granted the Barking Road Link wouldn't be there however it may just give new links bus wise. Again this doesn't mean this could happen. This was my intake on this. I should have mentioned the 241 in these changes in my earlier post. Apologies for not doing so. The 241 would run to Royal Wharf so I don't think it would serve Keir Hardie anymore? Whilst the Barking Road shops link is important I would extend the 147 to the Barking Road stand to maintain links. If stand space is limited the 474 can terminate at Canning Town. I still think the 15 idea has potential. Two routes would serve Keir Hardie (15 & 147). I didn't think that far ahead about where the LT's would go. I am sure there are other South London routes that can go LT. I am clueless but maybe the 436's WHV's? I am happy with the 474 change by TFL. This is a fantasy thread so these changes are not happening anyway. Feedback is welcome but I think a certain member is taking things far too seriously. Criticising every single thing in a harsh manner isn't exactly what I need to keep reading. Could the LTs go to Q to complete the conversion of route 176 and maybe a half allocation to the 188 or 185 with the 15 taking the hybrids or the hybrids going to 132 and EVs moved to the 15? |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 30, 2021 6:29:58 GMT
I should have mentioned the 241 in these changes in my earlier post. Apologies for not doing so. The 241 would run to Royal Wharf so I don't think it would serve Keir Hardie anymore? Whilst the Barking Road shops link is important I would extend the 147 to the Barking Road stand to maintain links. If stand space is limited the 474 can terminate at Canning Town. I still think the 15 idea has potential. Two routes would serve Keir Hardie (15 & 147). I didn't think that far ahead about where the LT's would go. I am sure there are other South London routes that can go LT. I am clueless but maybe the 436's WHV's? I am happy with the 474 change by TFL. This is a fantasy thread so these changes are not happening anyway. Feedback is welcome but I think a certain member is taking things far too seriously. Criticising every single thing in a harsh manner isn't exactly what I need to keep reading. Could the LTs go to Q to complete the conversion of route 176 and maybe a half allocation to the 188 or 185 with the 15 taking the hybrids or the hybrids going to 132 and EVs moved to the 15? Whilst this is possible if electrical work is already underway at BX it's a bit difficult to back out now so it's more likely that the EV's would be put on the 51,89 or 486 if indeed those routes are suitable. Anyway it might well be that the EV's do operate the 132 as intended, as far as I'm aware it's just a concern about the left turn at Bexley. |
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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2021 0:56:14 GMT
A40
Running between Heathrow Central and King’s Cross.
Via:
Route A10 to Stockerly Road
Cherry Road
Route 222 to Uxbridge
Belmont Road
Route U1 to Swakeleys Roundabout
Western Avenue
Long Lane
Hillingdon Station
Western Avenue
Target Roundabout
Western Avenue
Greenford Roundabout
South Greenford Station
Argyle Road
Teignmouth Gardens
Perivale
Western Avenue
Hanger Lane Gyratory
Hanger Lane Station
Western Avenue
Park Royal Station
Gypsy Corner
Savoy Circus
Westway
Marylebone Road
Baker Street Station
Regent Park Station
Great Portland Street Station
Euston Road
Warren Street Station
Euston Square Station
Euston Bus Station
Euston Road
St Pancreas Station
Kings Cross Station
York Way
Purpose:
A 24 hour express route linking Heathrow and Uxbridge with Central London,
Operator:
Metroline or Abellio or Tower Transit or RATP London.
Garage:
KX or PV or PA or UX or HZ or WS or X or HH.
Using:
BYD Enviro 400 City EV
New Routemasters
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 4, 2021 10:50:33 GMT
A40 Running between Heathrow Central and King’s Cross. Via: Route A10 to Stockerly Road Cherry Road Route 222 to Uxbridge Belmont Road Route U1 to Swakeleys Roundabout Western Avenue Long Lane Hillingdon Station Western Avenue Target Roundabout Western Avenue Greenford Roundabout South Greenford Station Argyle Road Teignmouth Gardens Perivale Western Avenue Hanger Lane Gyratory Hanger Lane Station Western Avenue Park Royal Station Gypsy Corner Savoy Circus Westway Marylebone Road Baker Street Station Regent Park Station Great Portland Street Station Euston Road Warren Street Station Euston Square Station Euston Bus Station Euston Road St Pancreas Station Kings Cross Station York Way Purpose: A 24 hour express route linking Heathrow and Uxbridge with Central London, Operator: Metroline or Abellio or Tower Transit. Garage: KX or PV or PA or UX or HZ or WS or X. Using: BYD Enviro 400 City EV Doesn't the Piccadilly do that at a much faster journey time and a higher frequency |
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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2021 16:26:53 GMT
A40 Running between Heathrow Central and King’s Cross. Via: Route A10 to Stockerly Road Cherry Road Route 222 to Uxbridge Belmont Road Route U1 to Swakeleys Roundabout Western Avenue Long Lane Hillingdon Station Western Avenue Target Roundabout Western Avenue Greenford Roundabout South Greenford Station Argyle Road Teignmouth Gardens Perivale Western Avenue Hanger Lane Gyratory Hanger Lane Station Western Avenue Park Royal Station Gypsy Corner Savoy Circus Westway Marylebone Road Baker Street Station Regent Park Station Great Portland Street Station Euston Road Warren Street Station Euston Square Station Euston Bus Station Euston Road St Pancreas Station Kings Cross Station York Way Purpose: A 24 hour express route linking Heathrow and Uxbridge with Central London, Operator: Metroline or Abellio or Tower Transit. Garage: KX or PV or PA or UX or HZ or WS or X. Using: BYD Enviro 400 City EV Doesn't the Piccadilly do that at a much faster journey time and a higher frequency Yes and this is just a fantasy. |
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Post by busboy17 on Sept 4, 2021 17:56:17 GMT
199 extended to Bromley common crown lame or to Bromley south with the 126 extended to crown lane?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 18:18:49 GMT
A40 Running between Heathrow Central and King’s Cross. Via: Route A10 to Stockerly Road Cherry Road Route 222 to Uxbridge Belmont Road Route U1 to Swakeleys Roundabout Western Avenue Long Lane Hillingdon Station Western Avenue Target Roundabout Western Avenue Greenford Roundabout South Greenford Station Argyle Road Teignmouth Gardens Perivale Western Avenue Hanger Lane Gyratory Hanger Lane Station Western Avenue Park Royal Station Gypsy Corner Savoy Circus Westway Marylebone Road Baker Street Station Regent Park Station Great Portland Street Station Euston Road Warren Street Station Euston Square Station Euston Bus Station Euston Road St Pancreas Station Kings Cross Station York Way Purpose: A 24 hour express route linking Heathrow and Uxbridge with Central London, Operator: Metroline or Abellio or Tower Transit. Garage: KX or PV or PA or UX or HZ or WS or X. Using: BYD Enviro 400 City EV I know this is fantasy but the Central line provides some of the links to central London, whilst the Oxford Tube also links Hillingdon to central London almost non-stop |
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Post by COBO on Sept 4, 2021 18:21:01 GMT
A40 Running between Heathrow Central and King’s Cross. Via: Route A10 to Stockerly Road Cherry Road Route 222 to Uxbridge Belmont Road Route U1 to Swakeleys Roundabout Western Avenue Long Lane Hillingdon Station Western Avenue Target Roundabout Western Avenue Greenford Roundabout South Greenford Station Argyle Road Teignmouth Gardens Perivale Western Avenue Hanger Lane Gyratory Hanger Lane Station Western Avenue Park Royal Station Gypsy Corner Savoy Circus Westway Marylebone Road Baker Street Station Regent Park Station Great Portland Street Station Euston Road Warren Street Station Euston Square Station Euston Bus Station Euston Road St Pancreas Station Kings Cross Station York Way Purpose: A 24 hour express route linking Heathrow and Uxbridge with Central London, Operator: Metroline or Abellio or Tower Transit. Garage: KX or PV or PA or UX or HZ or WS or X. Using: BYD Enviro 400 City EV I know this is fantasy but the Central line provides some of the links to central London, whilst the Oxford Tube also links Hillingdon to central London almost non-stop Yeah but it’s a fantasy regardless if Central London already have some services that link to Heathrow. |
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