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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 8:17:46 GMT
Route 79 extended to White City via Ealing Road, Western Avenue, Old Oak Lane, Uxbridge Road and Ariel Way. PVR changed to 18 and transfer the route to Park Royal (RP) as the extension would probably benefit Park Royal (RP) more than Edgware (BT). Driver changeover point at Park Royal Station.
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Post by COBO on Nov 6, 2021 16:50:49 GMT
Route 79 extended to White City via Ealing Road, Western Avenue, Old Oak Lane, Uxbridge Road and Ariel Way. PVR changed to 18 and transfer the route to Park Royal (RP) as the extension would probably benefit Park Royal (RP) more than Edgware (BT). Driver changeover point at Park Royal Station. Why would it benefit more for the 79 to be at RP than at BT? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 8:08:36 GMT
Route 79 extended to White City via Ealing Road, Western Avenue, Old Oak Lane, Uxbridge Road and Ariel Way. PVR changed to 18 and transfer the route to Park Royal (RP) as the extension would probably benefit Park Royal (RP) more than Edgware (BT). Driver changeover point at Park Royal Station. Why would it benefit more for the 79 to be at RP than at BT? Because the 79 would become a bit long and they can just change drivers at Park Royal Station. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 9, 2021 8:53:00 GMT
Why would it benefit more for the 79 to be at RP than at BT? Because the 79 would become a bit long and they can just change drivers at Park Royal Station. But you would need costly ferry vehicles as there is no direct route between the RP and Park Royal Station. Drivers would have to change bus once to get there. It would be far more cost effective to have a direct garage changeover. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 9, 2021 11:58:42 GMT
Why would it benefit more for the 79 to be at RP than at BT? Because the 79 would become a bit long and they can just change drivers at Park Royal Station. But as the 79 starts at Edgware wouldn’t it be better to keep the 79 at BT and making live changes easier because the 79 literally passes it’s door. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 10, 2021 22:33:46 GMT
I feel this is a more appropriate place for this due to the current circumstances:
Extend the 428 to Greenhithe Station as well as the Oyster zone extended to the station - Google puts down the walk between Bluewater & the station as about 25 minutes which seems rather inconvenient and whilst there are provincial buses that run between the station & Bluewater, they would be more expensive overall than using an Oyster for the many people who visit Bluewater by that method. The 96 would be too expensive and personally, overkill for such an extension whilst the 492 is less frequent and much longer than the 428 plus would involve a double run increasing journey times further - on top of that, the short extension would not be detrimental to the provincial services who would still provide far more unique and useful links from many other places
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Post by Paul on Nov 11, 2021 13:15:00 GMT
I feel this is a more appropriate place for this due to the current circumstances: Extend the 428 to Greenhithe Station as well as the Oyster zone extended to the station - Google puts down the walk between Bluewater & the station as about 25 minutes which seems rather inconvenient and whilst there are provincial buses that run between the station & Bluewater, they would be more expensive overall than using an Oyster for the many people who visit Bluewater by that method. The 96 would be too expensive and personally, overkill for such an extension whilst the 492 is less frequent and much longer than the 428 plus would involve a double run increasing journey times further - on top of that, the short extension would not be detrimental to the provincial services who would still provide far more unique and useful links from many other places In times of plenty, I daresay that this is a link that would probably have already been made. I do think we have to be careful about the Oyster Zone though. If you extend it to Greenhithe then why not Gravesend? Or Chatham? All that said, and we are stepping well into fantasy territory now, what happens when that theme park gets built (if it ever does) at Ebbsfleet? Regardless of borders, it will be a huge draw for people in SE London and I think TfL would be remiss not to provide links to it. Extensions of current routes might be a step too far so possibly new routes to Bexleyheath or Orpington? Bromley is probably a bit too far away to be viable. I guess the issue boils down to how far do we want TfL’s tentacles to stretch? |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 11, 2021 13:41:51 GMT
I feel this is a more appropriate place for this due to the current circumstances: Extend the 428 to Greenhithe Station as well as the Oyster zone extended to the station - Google puts down the walk between Bluewater & the station as about 25 minutes which seems rather inconvenient and whilst there are provincial buses that run between the station & Bluewater, they would be more expensive overall than using an Oyster for the many people who visit Bluewater by that method. The 96 would be too expensive and personally, overkill for such an extension whilst the 492 is less frequent and much longer than the 428 plus would involve a double run increasing journey times further - on top of that, the short extension would not be detrimental to the provincial services who would still provide far more unique and useful links from many other places In times of plenty, I daresay that this is a link that would probably have already been made. I do think we have to be careful about the Oyster Zone though. If you extend it to Greenhithe then why not Gravesend? Or Chatham? All that said, and we are stepping well into fantasy territory now, what happens when that theme park gets built (if it ever does) at Ebbsfleet? Regardless of borders, it will be a huge draw for people in SE London and I think TfL would be remiss not to provide links to it. Extensions of current routes might be a step too far so possibly new routes to Bexleyheath or Orpington? Bromley is probably a bit too far away to be viable. I guess the issue boils down to how far do we want TfL’s tentacles to stretch? I would imagine TfL will provide some sort of service to this theme park if it ever happens, an extension to the 96 perhaps? Or maybe the 428 or 492 rerouted there? I would think loadings to Bluewater will have declined by then? Or maybe the theme park should pay for a service to and from Dartford? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 11, 2021 14:02:04 GMT
In times of plenty, I daresay that this is a link that would probably have already been made. I do think we have to be careful about the Oyster Zone though. If you extend it to Greenhithe then why not Gravesend? Or Chatham? All that said, and we are stepping well into fantasy territory now, what happens when that theme park gets built (if it ever does) at Ebbsfleet? Regardless of borders, it will be a huge draw for people in SE London and I think TfL would be remiss not to provide links to it. Extensions of current routes might be a step too far so possibly new routes to Bexleyheath or Orpington? Bromley is probably a bit too far away to be viable. I guess the issue boils down to how far do we want TfL’s tentacles to stretch? I would imagine TfL will provide some sort of service to this theme park if it ever happens, an extension to the 96 perhaps? Or maybe the 428 or 492 rerouted there? I would think loadings to Bluewater will have declined by then? Or maybe the theme park should pay for a service to and from Dartford? The 96 would struggle with that extension and extra passengers from a theme park. As it is it’s incredibly busy during school hours and peaks. Ask it’s quite long. I think a shuttle service provided by the theme park to local stations like Thorpe Park does would be better for the local area routes. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 11, 2021 15:49:03 GMT
I would imagine TfL will provide some sort of service to this theme park if it ever happens, an extension to the 96 perhaps? Or maybe the 428 or 492 rerouted there? I would think loadings to Bluewater will have declined by then? Or maybe the theme park should pay for a service to and from Dartford? The 96 would struggle with that extension and extra passengers from a theme park. As it is it’s incredibly busy during school hours and peaks. Ask it’s quite long. I think a shuttle service provided by the theme park to local stations like Thorpe Park does would be better for the local area routes. On top of that, any extension to the 96 would cost far more than other local routes. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 11, 2021 16:04:40 GMT
I feel this is a more appropriate place for this due to the current circumstances: Extend the 428 to Greenhithe Station as well as the Oyster zone extended to the station - Google puts down the walk between Bluewater & the station as about 25 minutes which seems rather inconvenient and whilst there are provincial buses that run between the station & Bluewater, they would be more expensive overall than using an Oyster for the many people who visit Bluewater by that method. The 96 would be too expensive and personally, overkill for such an extension whilst the 492 is less frequent and much longer than the 428 plus would involve a double run increasing journey times further - on top of that, the short extension would not be detrimental to the provincial services who would still provide far more unique and useful links from many other places In times of plenty, I daresay that this is a link that would probably have already been made. I do think we have to be careful about the Oyster Zone though. If you extend it to Greenhithe then why not Gravesend? Or Chatham? All that said, and we are stepping well into fantasy territory now, what happens when that theme park gets built (if it ever does) at Ebbsfleet? Regardless of borders, it will be a huge draw for people in SE London and I think TfL would be remiss not to provide links to it. Extensions of current routes might be a step too far so possibly new routes to Bexleyheath or Orpington? Bromley is probably a bit too far away to be viable. I guess the issue boils down to how far do we want TfL’s tentacles to stretch? I get what your saying about the extension of the Oyster zone and where would it stop but if you look at other home counties, Oyster does extend much further into them than into Kent - Hertfordshire sees Oyster run as far as Hertford, Essex as far as Grays, Surrey as far as Epsom & Tattenham Corner (Caterham too though that's a lot closer to London) and that's ignoring Osyter as far as Gatwick Airport (though there is strong demand from London for the airport). I think Greenhithe is reasonable because of Bluewater but also because TfL buses run as far as Bluewater too and it's a major destination for Londoners particularly from the neighbouring boroughs, any further to stations after Greenhithe, Gravesend and beyond I think is very unnecessary. As I understand, the theme park will be built on the Swanscombe Peninsula which if I've got that right, the nearest stations would be Swanscombe & Northfleet as Ebbsfleet International is a bit further away. If it does draw in the South East London & an extension or new TfL route, then a conversation could be had about Oyster expansion to those stations or some of the stations but really, that would be a bridge to come to when it's built which doesn't seem to be until 2024 at the earliest. Until then though, I think Greenhithe is perfectly reasonable IMO but it will unlikely happen in any event given it hasn't already occurred. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 11, 2021 16:34:38 GMT
In times of plenty, I daresay that this is a link that would probably have already been made. I do think we have to be careful about the Oyster Zone though. If you extend it to Greenhithe then why not Gravesend? Or Chatham? All that said, and we are stepping well into fantasy territory now, what happens when that theme park gets built (if it ever does) at Ebbsfleet? Regardless of borders, it will be a huge draw for people in SE London and I think TfL would be remiss not to provide links to it. Extensions of current routes might be a step too far so possibly new routes to Bexleyheath or Orpington? Bromley is probably a bit too far away to be viable. I guess the issue boils down to how far do we want TfL’s tentacles to stretch? I get what your saying about the extension of the Oyster zone and where would it stop but if you look at other home counties, Oyster does extend much further into them than into Kent - Hertfordshire sees Oyster run as far as Hertford, Essex as far as Grays, Surrey as far as Epsom & Tattenham Corner (Caterham too though that's a lot closer to London) and that's ignoring Osyter as far as Gatwick Airport (though there is strong demand from London for the airport). I think Greenhithe is reasonable because of Bluewater but also because TfL buses run as far as Bluewater too and it's a major destination for Londoners particularly from the neighbouring boroughs, any further to stations after Greenhithe, Gravesend and beyond I think is very unnecessary. As I understand, the theme park will be built on the Swanscombe Peninsula which if I've got that right, the nearest stations would be Swanscombe & Northfleet as Ebbsfleet International is a bit further away. If it does draw in the South East London & an extension or new TfL route, then a conversation could be had about Oyster expansion to those stations or some of the stations but really, that would be a bridge to come to when it's built which doesn't seem to be until 2024 at the earliest. Until then though, I think Greenhithe is perfectly reasonable IMO but it will unlikely happen in any event given it hasn't already occurred. The only concern would be KCC, I believe they have partial private funding for Fastrack A from Prologis with Fastrack B fully funded by KCC. But Prologis funding is due to end in 2023 so a restructuring could be done to shift that partial KCC funding to a diverted TfL service. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 11, 2021 19:13:17 GMT
I feel this is a more appropriate place for this due to the current circumstances: Extend the 428 to Greenhithe Station as well as the Oyster zone extended to the station - Google puts down the walk between Bluewater & the station as about 25 minutes which seems rather inconvenient and whilst there are provincial buses that run between the station & Bluewater, they would be more expensive overall than using an Oyster for the many people who visit Bluewater by that method. The 96 would be too expensive and personally, overkill for such an extension whilst the 492 is less frequent and much longer than the 428 plus would involve a double run increasing journey times further - on top of that, the short extension would not be detrimental to the provincial services who would still provide far more unique and useful links from many other places Greenhithe station to Bluewater is a surprisingly underused link in my experience - I think more connect to the trains at Dartford. I don’t know if a TfL link to Greenhithe would really work, especially as the station is not an Oystered one. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 11, 2021 22:02:45 GMT
I feel this is a more appropriate place for this due to the current circumstances: Extend the 428 to Greenhithe Station as well as the Oyster zone extended to the station - Google puts down the walk between Bluewater & the station as about 25 minutes which seems rather inconvenient and whilst there are provincial buses that run between the station & Bluewater, they would be more expensive overall than using an Oyster for the many people who visit Bluewater by that method. The 96 would be too expensive and personally, overkill for such an extension whilst the 492 is less frequent and much longer than the 428 plus would involve a double run increasing journey times further - on top of that, the short extension would not be detrimental to the provincial services who would still provide far more unique and useful links from many other places Greenhithe station to Bluewater is a surprisingly underused link in my experience - I think more connect to the trains at Dartford. I don’t know if a TfL link to Greenhithe would really work, especially as the station is not an Oystered one. I'm not surprised it's under used personally - part of my fantasy plan would be to extend the Oyster zone to Greenhithe Station as I've only ever connected to the train at Dartford myself via a 96. |
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Post by someone on Nov 14, 2021 20:10:21 GMT
NEW route W10 - Redbridge to Meridian Water
towards Meridian Water:
Redbridge Station (RB)
Redbridge Lane West (RD)
Wigram Road (S)
Wanstead Station (A)
The Green (new stop, no letter)
St Mary's Avenue (M)
Langley Drive (new stop, N)
Draycot Road (new stop, P)
Overton Drive/Blake Hall Road (new stop, Q)
Bush Road/Green Man Roundabout (R)
Leyton Way (NN)
Fladgate Road (new stop, no letter)
Poppleton Road (new stop, no letter)
Colworth Road (new stop, no letter)
Lytton Road (new stop, no letter)
Woodriffe Road (new stop, no letter)
Essex Road South (no letter)
Canterbury Road (new stop, no letter)
Nottingham Road (new stop, no letter)
Knotts Green (new stop, no letter)
Fraser Road (WD)
Lea Bridge Road/Bakers Arms (WE)
Hoe Street/Bakers Arms (NE)
Grove Road (NH)
Queen's Road (L)
Walthamstow Bus Station (C)
Selborne Walk (M)
South Grove (H)
St James's Street Station (A)
Hazelwood Road (B)
Longfield Avenue (BL)
Blackhorse Road Station/Blackhorse Lane (BC)
Ferry Lane Industrial Estate (BG)
Walthamstow Wetlands/Ferry Boat Inn (no letter)
Bream Close (no letter)
Mill Mead Road (J)
Tottenham Hale Bus Station (D)
Down Lane Park/Watermead Way (new stop, no letter)
Down Lane Park/Holcombe Road (new stop, no letter)
Park View Road/Dowsett Road (new stop, no letter)
Sherringham Avenue (no letter)
Halefield Road (no letter)
Northumberland Park (NB)
Leeside Road (NH)
Meridian Water Station (K)
towards Redbridge:
Meridian Water Station (L)
Leeside Road (NE)
Northumberland Park (NA)
Halefield Road (no letter)
Hanbury Road (no letter)
Seymour Avenue (no letter)
Park View Road/Dowsett Road (new stop, no letter)
Down Lane Park/Holcombe Road (new stop, no letter)
Down Lane Park/Watermead Way (new stop, no letter)
Tottenham Hale Bus Station (A)
Walthamstow Wetlands/Ferry Boat Inn (no letter)
Blackhorse Road Station/Blackhorse Lane (BD)
Blackhorse Road Station (BB)
Longfield Avenue (BK)
Walthamstow Market (C)
St James's Street Station (D)
South Grove (G)
Selborne Walk/Vernon Road (N)
Selborne Walk (P)
Walthamstow Central Station (R)
Walthamstow Bus Station (B)
Grosvenor Park Road (K)
Grove Road (SJ)
Bakers Avenue (SK)
Lea Bridge Road/Bakers Arms (EH)
Leyton Green Road (EJ)
Matlock Road (new stop, no letter)
Canterbury Road (new stop, no letter)
Essex Road/James Lane (new stop, no letter)
Essex Road South (no letter)
Woodriffe Road (new stop, no letter)
Lytton Road (new stop, no letter)
Colworth Road (new stop, no letter)
Poppleton Road (new stop, no letter)
Fladgate Road (new stop, no letter)
Leyton Way (PP)
Bush Road/Green Man Roundabout (S)
Overton Drive/Blake Hall Road (new stop, no letter)
Seagry Road (new stop, no letter)
Langley Drive (new stop, no letter)
St Mary's Avenue (new stop, no letter)
The Green/Redbridge Lane West (new stop, no letter)
Wanstead Station/The Green (new stop, no letter)
Nutter Lane (R)
Redbridge Station (B)
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