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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Dec 22, 2021 13:25:28 GMT
A 316 extension to Brent Cross and a DD conversion
This is important because 316 definitely needs DDs due to capacity issues as buses are constantly full and every other bus the driver will just drive past you. An extension to Brent Cross would provide a 269-like link between Westfield and Brent Cross. This could replace route 189 which would be withdrawn and C11 re-routed from Swiss Cottage to serve South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road and continue via route 189 so connections via Cricklewood Stn would remain. 139, consequently would go to Brent Cross via C11 routing and 328 would not be affected. This would give stand space for H2/H3. Also, given that the current H2/H3 stand will become unused, it could be used for RRPs and curtailed routes e.g. 102 or 210. W has spare Enviro400H MMCs from 332's conversion and a lot of spare hybrids from across the fleet from the lost X140 contract which could be used on 316 as well as the Enviro hybrids
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2021 15:14:59 GMT
A 316 extension to Brent Cross and a DD conversion
This is important because 316 definitely needs DDs due to capacity issues as buses are constantly full and every other bus the driver will just drive past you. An extension to Brent Cross would provide a 269-like link between Westfield and Brent Cross. This could replace route 189 which would be withdrawn and C11 re-routed from Swiss Cottage to serve South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road and continue via route 189 so connections via Cricklewood Stn would remain. 139, consequently would go to Brent Cross via C11 routing and 328 would not be affected. This would give stand space for H2/H3. Also, given that the current H2/H3 stand will become unused, it could be used for RRPs and curtailed routes e.g. 102 or 210. W has spare Enviro400H MMCs from 332's conversion and a lot of spare hybrids from across the fleet from the lost X140 contract which could be used on 316 as well as the Enviro hybrids W doesn't have spare TEH's from the 332, they have all been seemingly reallocated to the 139 making it a TEH & VWH route with the 328 fully VWH. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Dec 22, 2021 21:08:34 GMT
A 316 extension to Brent Cross and a DD conversion
This is important because 316 definitely needs DDs due to capacity issues as buses are constantly full and every other bus the driver will just drive past you. An extension to Brent Cross would provide a 269-like link between Westfield and Brent Cross. This could replace route 189 which would be withdrawn and C11 re-routed from Swiss Cottage to serve South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road and continue via route 189 so connections via Cricklewood Stn would remain. 139, consequently would go to Brent Cross via C11 routing and 328 would not be affected. This would give stand space for H2/H3. Also, given that the current H2/H3 stand will become unused, it could be used for RRPs and curtailed routes e.g. 102 or 210. W has spare Enviro400H MMCs from 332's conversion and a lot of spare hybrids from across the fleet from the lost X140 contract which could be used on 316 as well as the Enviro hybrids W doesn't have spare TEH's from the 332, they have all been seemingly reallocated to the 139 making it a TEH & VWH route with the 328 fully VWH. They could deffo use ex-X140 VWHs |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 22, 2021 21:17:54 GMT
A 316 extension to Brent Cross and a DD conversion
This is important because 316 definitely needs DDs due to capacity issues as buses are constantly full and every other bus the driver will just drive past you. An extension to Brent Cross would provide a 269-like link between Westfield and Brent Cross. This could replace route 189 which would be withdrawn and C11 re-routed from Swiss Cottage to serve South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road and continue via route 189 so connections via Cricklewood Stn would remain. 139, consequently would go to Brent Cross via C11 routing and 328 would not be affected. This would give stand space for H2/H3. Also, given that the current H2/H3 stand will become unused, it could be used for RRPs and curtailed routes e.g. 102 or 210. W has spare Enviro400H MMCs from 332's conversion and a lot of spare hybrids from across the fleet from the lost X140 contract which could be used on 316 as well as the Enviro hybrids These are all apart from the 316 ideas really bad ideas.
First off, whilst I do agree Abbey Road should've been picked over the Finchley Road in terms of looking at reducing capacity you're going about it the complete wrong way. The C11 should not be rerouted, I don't understand the need. As a result of your proposals, you miss out on a key destination being West Hampstead for those coming from Gospel Oak/Swiss Cottage/Parliament Hill. On the 139 proposal, I do understand at first the two going between West End Green & GG seemed excessive however with the subsequent reductions the 328 has had in recent years since the extension of the 139 I don't know whether the 328 could cope on its current frequency (that went from x8 to x12). I'm also confused about the need to faff around with the 139, surely it would be simpler to say the 189 extended to Waterloo & the 139 done away with?
About the H2/H3, I don't see an issue with the current stand and I'm also confused why you'd consider curtailing either the 210 or 102. I understand the 102 is long but really the 210? It's very slow because of the poo 20 mph limits on Hampstead Lane but other than that it provides orbital links between Brent Cross, GG, Highgate Village, Archway, Hornsey Rise & Finsbury Park and esp at school kickout times it can get packed.
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Post by greenboy on Dec 23, 2021 7:39:39 GMT
A 316 extension to Brent Cross and a DD conversion
This is important because 316 definitely needs DDs due to capacity issues as buses are constantly full and every other bus the driver will just drive past you. An extension to Brent Cross would provide a 269-like link between Westfield and Brent Cross. This could replace route 189 which would be withdrawn and C11 re-routed from Swiss Cottage to serve South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road and continue via route 189 so connections via Cricklewood Stn would remain. 139, consequently would go to Brent Cross via C11 routing and 328 would not be affected. This would give stand space for H2/H3. Also, given that the current H2/H3 stand will become unused, it could be used for RRPs and curtailed routes e.g. 102 or 210. W has spare Enviro400H MMCs from 332's conversion and a lot of spare hybrids from across the fleet from the lost X140 contract which could be used on 316 as well as the Enviro hybrids I don't think double deckers are going to be accepted on the 316 so it's a case of increasing the frequency as necessary. The rest all seems ok to me although if I'm understanding you correctly Broadhurst Gardens, Canfield Gardens and Cleve Road would no longer be served? If the 189 is withdrawn I would suggest rerouting the 32 or 332 via Quex Road, Abbey Road and St John's Wood Road thus maintaining the Abbey Road to Kilburn link. If it's the 32 it could possibly terminate at Warwick Avenue Station. |
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Dec 23, 2021 12:38:37 GMT
A 316 extension to Brent Cross and a DD conversion
This is important because 316 definitely needs DDs due to capacity issues as buses are constantly full and every other bus the driver will just drive past you. An extension to Brent Cross would provide a 269-like link between Westfield and Brent Cross. This could replace route 189 which would be withdrawn and C11 re-routed from Swiss Cottage to serve South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road and continue via route 189 so connections via Cricklewood Stn would remain. 139, consequently would go to Brent Cross via C11 routing and 328 would not be affected. This would give stand space for H2/H3. Also, given that the current H2/H3 stand will become unused, it could be used for RRPs and curtailed routes e.g. 102 or 210. W has spare Enviro400H MMCs from 332's conversion and a lot of spare hybrids from across the fleet from the lost X140 contract which could be used on 316 as well as the Enviro hybrids These are all apart from the 316 ideas really bad ideas.
First off, whilst I do agree Abbey Road should've been picked over the Finchley Road in terms of looking at reducing capacity you're going about it the complete wrong way. The C11 should not be rerouted, I don't understand the need. As a result of your proposals, you miss out on a key destination being West Hampstead for those coming from Gospel Oak/Swiss Cottage/Parliament Hill. On the 139 proposal, I do understand at first the two going between West End Green & GG seemed excessive however with the subsequent reductions the 328 has had in recent years since the extension of the 139 I don't know whether the 328 could cope on its current frequency (that went from x8 to x12). I'm also confused about the need to faff around with the 139, surely it would be simpler to say the 189 extended to Waterloo & the 139 done away with?
About the H2/H3, I don't see an issue with the current stand and I'm also confused why you'd consider curtailing either the 210 or 102. I understand the 102 is long but really the 210? It's very slow because of the poo 20 mph limits on Hampstead Lane but other than that it provides orbital links between Brent Cross, GG, Highgate Village, Archway, Hornsey Rise & Finsbury Park and esp at school kickout times it can get packed.
C11's route between the Camden area and Hampstead could be replaced with a C12, going between Archway and GG, with a higher frequency than the current C11 as it would have to be SD. Also, South Hampstead direly needs a route other than the 31 to link it to more places and I think C11 would do that perfectly. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 23, 2021 12:45:53 GMT
These are all apart from the 316 ideas really bad ideas.
First off, whilst I do agree Abbey Road should've been picked over the Finchley Road in terms of looking at reducing capacity you're going about it the complete wrong way. The C11 should not be rerouted, I don't understand the need. As a result of your proposals, you miss out on a key destination being West Hampstead for those coming from Gospel Oak/Swiss Cottage/Parliament Hill. On the 139 proposal, I do understand at first the two going between West End Green & GG seemed excessive however with the subsequent reductions the 328 has had in recent years since the extension of the 139 I don't know whether the 328 could cope on its current frequency (that went from x8 to x12). I'm also confused about the need to faff around with the 139, surely it would be simpler to say the 189 extended to Waterloo & the 139 done away with?
About the H2/H3, I don't see an issue with the current stand and I'm also confused why you'd consider curtailing either the 210 or 102. I understand the 102 is long but really the 210? It's very slow because of the poo 20 mph limits on Hampstead Lane but other than that it provides orbital links between Brent Cross, GG, Highgate Village, Archway, Hornsey Rise & Finsbury Park and esp at school kickout times it can get packed.
C11's route between the Camden area and Hampstead could be replaced with a C12, going between Archway and GG, with a higher frequency than the current C11 as it would have to be SD. Also, South Hampstead direly needs a route other than the 31 to link it to more places and I think C11 would do that perfectly. I do think whilst the C11 does come up in plenty of fantasy proposals as a service I think it's fine routing wise and I think messing up what has worked is retrogade.
The 31 needs support - don't get me wrong and I think a better solution would be increasing the frequency which can be suitably done now that the 28/148/228/328 have been reduced so that it wouldn't overbus anything. The C11 does not also serve Camden of which is where a lot of the demand goes to and from.
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Post by londonboy71 on Dec 24, 2021 0:13:46 GMT
A 316 extension to Brent Cross and a DD conversion
This is important because 316 definitely needs DDs due to capacity issues as buses are constantly full and every other bus the driver will just drive past you. An extension to Brent Cross would provide a 269-like link between Westfield and Brent Cross. This could replace route 189 which would be withdrawn and C11 re-routed from Swiss Cottage to serve South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road and continue via route 189 so connections via Cricklewood Stn would remain. 139, consequently would go to Brent Cross via C11 routing and 328 would not be affected. This would give stand space for H2/H3. Also, given that the current H2/H3 stand will become unused, it could be used for RRPs and curtailed routes e.g. 102 or 210. W has spare Enviro400H MMCs from 332's conversion and a lot of spare hybrids from across the fleet from the lost X140 contract which could be used on 316 as well as the Enviro hybrids I don't think double deckers are going to be accepted on the 316 so it's a case of increasing the frequency as necessary. The rest all seems ok to me although if I'm understanding you correctly Broadhurst Gardens, Canfield Gardens and Cleve Road would no longer be served? If the 189 is withdrawn I would suggest rerouting the 32 or 332 via Quex Road, Abbey Road and St John's Wood Road thus maintaining the Abbey Road to Kilburn link. If it's the 32 it could possibly terminate at Warwick Avenue Station. And ots al9veky ride |
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Post by londonboy71 on Dec 24, 2021 0:14:17 GMT
Ots a lovely ride
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Post by YX10FFN on Dec 24, 2021 15:48:26 GMT
I know this doesn't fit with the current financial climate, so I decided to put this here.
I've thought of a new "Hoppa"-style route for Hammersmith & Fulham, similar to the 424, designed to make public transport more accessible for areas with distant or non existant bus connections. This would improve local links and potentially decrease congestion.
New Route 495: White City to Fulham Broadway
White City Bus Station, Shepherds Bush Station/Green, Rockley Road/Charecroft Way or Minford Gardens, Sinclair Road, Masbro Road, Blythe Road, Aynhoe Road or Girdlers Road, Brook Green, Shepherds Bush Road, Hammersmith Bus Station, Hammersmith Road, Edith Road, Gliddon Road, Barons Court Station, Margravine Gardens, St Dunstan's Road, Charing Cross Hospital, Greyhound Road, Star Road, North End Road, Fulham Broadway.
Would be operated with 8.8m midibuses like the 424.
The 424 has proven that if you provide convenient and accessible bus service connecting mostly middle class areas to local amenities it is well used. Many residents of the areas this route serves have probably never thought of getting the bus to the shops or to the tube, but providing that service will make getting around much easier. This isn't about drawing lines on a map, I know these areas and think they would really benefit from this service.
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Post by cl54 on Dec 24, 2021 18:08:40 GMT
A 316 extension to Brent Cross and a DD conversion
This is important because 316 definitely needs DDs due to capacity issues as buses are constantly full and every other bus the driver will just drive past you. An extension to Brent Cross would provide a 269-like link between Westfield and Brent Cross. This could replace route 189 which would be withdrawn and C11 re-routed from Swiss Cottage to serve South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road and continue via route 189 so connections via Cricklewood Stn would remain. 139, consequently would go to Brent Cross via C11 routing and 328 would not be affected. This would give stand space for H2/H3. Also, given that the current H2/H3 stand will become unused, it could be used for RRPs and curtailed routes e.g. 102 or 210. W has spare Enviro400H MMCs from 332's conversion and a lot of spare hybrids from across the fleet from the lost X140 contract which could be used on 316 as well as the Enviro hybrids The colour blind in the red/green spectrum will be glad they can't see this post. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 24, 2021 20:06:48 GMT
I know this doesn't fit with the current financial climate, so I decided to put this here. I've thought of a new "Hoppa"-style route for Hammersmith & Fulham, similar to the 424, designed to make public transport more accessible for areas with distant or non existant bus connections. This would improve local links and potentially decrease congestion. New Route 495: White City to Fulham Broadway White City Bus Station, Shepherds Bush Station/Green, Rockley Road/Charecroft Way or Minford Gardens, Sinclair Road, Masbro Road, Blythe Road, Aynhoe Road or Girdlers Road, Brook Green, Shepherds Bush Road, Hammersmith Bus Station, Hammersmith Road, Edith Road, Gliddon Road, Barons Court Station, Margravine Gardens, St Dunstan's Road, Charing Cross Hospital, Greyhound Road, Star Road, North End Road, Fulham Broadway. Would be operated with 8.8m midibuses like the 424. The 424 has proven that if you provide convenient and accessible bus service connecting mostly middle class areas to local amenities it is well used. Many residents of the areas this route serves have probably never thought of getting the bus to the shops or to the tube, but providing that service will make getting around much easier. This isn't about drawing lines on a map, I know these areas and think they would really benefit from this service. Sounds good to me, potentially a very useful service. I think the C1 was originally intended to serve some of those roads. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Dec 29, 2021 14:16:25 GMT
A couple of suggestions regarding a Hampstead/Royal Free to East Finchley/Muswell Hill link: Option 1: Route 234: Extended from Highgate Wood to Hampstead, Whitestone Pond. This route would follow the 143 to Highgate Village, 214 to Parliament Hill Fields, C11 to Royal Free Hospital & 268 to Whitestone Pond. This would be a useful extension because it would link in Parliament Hill Fields, Highgate Village, Gospel Oak, Hampstead Heath (Royal Free Hospital) & Hampstead into High Barnet, Finchley, Muswell Hill & Friern Barnet. Would also terminate in a nice scenic place (but before the obvious question does come up, I don't know whether you could extend the service further on to Cricklewood because it would likely become too long and overbus Cricklewood Lane even more). This in terms of links would be the most useful but probably the most indirect. This would probably be the cheapest as well, and would not break any links as well as not needing to add another service between Highgate Wood & East Finchley (could always be routed to serve Aylmer Road of which has no service if another were to be added) and a 3rd route isn't needed between East Finchley & Muswell Hill. Option 2: Route 24: Extended to Golders Green via daytime route 268. I don't know which of the Heath stands are controversial locally but I guess this does always mean I guess that if the 24 one is controversial, it's now out of use lol. Route 268: Diverted at Whitestone Pond to Muswell Hill via route 603 and also extended from Finchley Road O2 Centre to West Hampstead via a bus gate through Blackburn Road and via Route 328 to West End Green. This would utilise the old 139 stand of which would fit DEs reasonably well. This would be the most direct routing and would probably create some new links (such as linking in East Finchley/Muswell Hill/Highgate Village into Royal Free Hospital as well as a daytime link between Kenwood House & Hampstead and potentially some new ones into the Finchley Road, Belsize Park & West Hampstead areas such as a daytime link between Hampstead Village & West Hampstead). I can't tell what one is the best as both have their advantages and negatives, would be interested to hear thoughts from anyone wishing to comment. These proposals would not mean any reductions to any current services such as the 46, 102, 143, 210 or 234 (depending on which change) but either change I'm sure would be well received within North London. Would be intrigued to hear thoughts  |
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Post by COBO on Jan 2, 2022 20:52:09 GMT
92: withdrawn between Sudbury and St Raphael’s North. Diverted to Sudbury Town Station via Bridgewater Road and route 204 to Sudbury Town. To provide a round a corner link with Harrow Road and Sudbury Town.
332: extended from Brent Park to Greenford Broadway via route 92 to Greenford Broadway. To link Greenford with Paddington and to assist the 92.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 2, 2022 23:04:02 GMT
92: withdrawn between Sudbury and St Raphael’s North. Diverted to Sudbury Town Station via Bridgewater Road and route 204 to Sudbury Town. To provide a round a corner link with Harrow Road and Sudbury Town. 332: extended from Brent Park to Greenford Broadway via route 92 to Greenford Broadway. To link Greenford with Paddington and to assist the 92. I think that would make the 332 far too long in today's climate, the route would be very unreliable. People who want to go to Paddington from Greenford have the Central Line which goes to Lancaster Gate and people from the Wembley area already have the 18 which skirts Paddington. |
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