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Post by uakari on Jan 11, 2022 10:49:32 GMT
The 384 has also sadly become very unreliable now especially in the late afternoon, with 40 minute gaps being common due to traffic on the A1, so I would welcome this and obviously a return to the old routing. To avoid the A1, Hendon Wood Lane (with a new bus gate) and Marsh Lane could also be used, which would bring more roads closer to a bus. For Edgware there is still the quicker 614, which TfL should integrate again between Barnet and Edgware to allow it to accept TfL fares - I am worried about losing the 614 in Barnet now because of the 384 extension, with the 614 useful links especially to Hatfield Galleria and the university. TfL may consider the 384 matter 'settled' but people in Barnet don't, especially as the 'review' didn't even discuss the themes from the extensive feedback people sent in. It will come up again for sure at some point because it was so obviously unjust to leave people so far from a bus service as well as removing it from the station, Aldi, etc. I like the idea of Barnet link to Southgate. Extending the 340 is a good idea I think. No more reason to have Cockfosters to Edgware than Harrow to Barnet as an orbital really. Would be worried about Dollis Valley losing the 326 though. What about extending the 340 to Western Way so those roads finally get a regular bus service? Only issue is where to terminate it because Western Way is only a hesitation point and people get on end off at different points round the loop. But there are other buses like the 288 and the R7 that let people stay on at the terminus so this could be done in this case, and the frequency would obviously be a lot better than the current 389. There would be multiple stops in High Barnet for people coming from New Barnet, Cockfosters, JCoSS etc to change. Also what about the 340 going via Barnet Gate Lane then turning into Chesterfield Road and going via the Hospital, Church and station back down to Underhill? That way you bring in houses at the western end of Mays Lane that are currently quite remote. Although this breaks the link from Quinta Drive to Edgware. Diverting the 240 would restore the Deansbrook Road to Edgware link so that would be a positive of it. Yes maybe Edgware High Street is overbussed but then so is The Hale now. The other broken link is Deans Lane to Burnt Oak, but I don't know what would solve that. I suppose you could have nothing replace the 102 between Golders Green and Brent Cross, because the separate sections are covered by the 189 and the 226, although I thought this thread is usually optimistic than that :-) I really like the 234 extension and a direct bus from Barnet, Muswell Hill and Highgate to Hampstead and near the Royal Free would be neat. More people are being referred between Barnet Hospital and the Royal Free now they have become part of the same trust. The only thing I can see being an issue is people in Belsize Village not wanting to lose a direct bus to Golders Green and Golders Hill Park The 240 extended to Hampstead Heath would be good though. Thank you for comments I do appreciate them.
The 102 would need a replacement because of demand.
The 340 suggestion wouldn't work. There is no way Barnet Gate Lane could take a service (far too narrow) & I think the 340 should go the direct way via Barnet Hospital & the High Street. And I heavily doubt there would be enough demand to suffice. Also I wouldn't terminate it on Western Way. That is far too narrow, it can't take DDs and I think a 12 minute frequency is quite generous. Perhaps if Western Way required a more daily service perhaps an idea could be conjured up with the 399 (perhaps as some form of merger) to run between Barnet Western Way & Chase Farm Hospital.
Dollis Valley wouldn't lose the 326. That would continue serving D Valley and linking it into New Barnet & The Spires.
Is Hale Lane that overbussed? Remember the 221/240 are busy services in the peak time and their direct nature between Mill Hill Broadway & Edgware should be kept IMO, I suggested my 299 idea to continue on from Mill Hill Broadway to Edgware via Deansbrook Road which be more sufficient of demand.
There will be a group of people admittedly in the Belsize Park area who might want to continue onto GG, but from what I can tell in regards to the 268s loadings the bus normally empties out around Hampstead Heath and more local journies are made to the O2 Centre from Hampstead/Royal Free. Had it not have been for the 168 being merged with the 1 that could've replaced it to Golders Green, and perhaps if something like this took places when the 13/82/113/139/189 changes took place 5 years ago it might have softened the blow for what was quite a controversial politically change.
Isn't it Hendon Wood Lane that is narrow rather than Barnet Gate Lane? I was suggesting the 340 turn from Mays Lane into Chesterfield Road so it would still go via the hospital and Barnet town centre before going back down to Underhill. I just don't know if Dollis Valley needs another service and it seems a shame to terminate the 340 short of either there or Western Way. Are you sure the Western Way loop couldn't take double dockers as they would only be going round the loop in one direction? Not to terminate on Western Way but on Westcombe Drive near the Ark school and then let people stay on past the terminus to go down round the Western Way loop back from The Spires. Just an idea. The looping aspects needs to be maintained as people get on and off anywhere along this section going to and from The Spires. I feel that the Hale is overbussed because it received the 303 and the 384 whereas I think it was fine with just the 221 and 240. The 299 could work OK although Millbrook Park would lose out. However, the current 382 terminus stop is actually not very far from the Mill Hill East station stop so I don't see it getting that much use. The stops on Inglis Way are more useful for the north of the estate. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 11, 2022 16:44:38 GMT
Thank you for comments I do appreciate them.
The 102 would need a replacement because of demand.
The 340 suggestion wouldn't work. There is no way Barnet Gate Lane could take a service (far too narrow) & I think the 340 should go the direct way via Barnet Hospital & the High Street. And I heavily doubt there would be enough demand to suffice. Also I wouldn't terminate it on Western Way. That is far too narrow, it can't take DDs and I think a 12 minute frequency is quite generous. Perhaps if Western Way required a more daily service perhaps an idea could be conjured up with the 399 (perhaps as some form of merger) to run between Barnet Western Way & Chase Farm Hospital.
Dollis Valley wouldn't lose the 326. That would continue serving D Valley and linking it into New Barnet & The Spires.
Is Hale Lane that overbussed? Remember the 221/240 are busy services in the peak time and their direct nature between Mill Hill Broadway & Edgware should be kept IMO, I suggested my 299 idea to continue on from Mill Hill Broadway to Edgware via Deansbrook Road which be more sufficient of demand.
There will be a group of people admittedly in the Belsize Park area who might want to continue onto GG, but from what I can tell in regards to the 268s loadings the bus normally empties out around Hampstead Heath and more local journies are made to the O2 Centre from Hampstead/Royal Free. Had it not have been for the 168 being merged with the 1 that could've replaced it to Golders Green, and perhaps if something like this took places when the 13/82/113/139/189 changes took place 5 years ago it might have softened the blow for what was quite a controversial politically change.
Isn't it Hendon Wood Lane that is narrow rather than Barnet Gate Lane? I was suggesting the 340 turn from Mays Lane into Chesterfield Road so it would still go via the hospital and Barnet town centre before going back down to Underhill. I just don't know if Dollis Valley needs another service and it seems a shame to terminate the 340 short of either there or Western Way. Are you sure the Western Way loop couldn't take double dockers as they would only be going round the loop in one direction? Not to terminate on Western Way but on Westcombe Drive near the Ark school and then let people stay on past the terminus to go down round the Western Way loop back from The Spires. Just an idea. The looping aspects needs to be maintained as people get on and off anywhere along this section going to and from The Spires. I feel that the Hale is overbussed because it received the 303 and the 384 whereas I think it was fine with just the 221 and 240. The 299 could work OK although Millbrook Park would lose out. However, the current 382 terminus stop is actually not very far from the Mill Hill East station stop so I don't see it getting that much use. The stops on Inglis Way are more useful for the north of the estate. Barnet Gate Lane has some dangerous turns even in a car in the area of Stirling Corner so no I cannot imagine a 12 minute service DD being able to take it on full time, you also divert passengers the long winded way whereas sending it via the 107 means you can make it a direct service. The 303/384 don’t serve the full lengths of Hale Lane & the 240/292 have seen frequency reductions & the 305 withdrawn although replaced by the 303. Western Way would just not be a good terminus for the 340, Widecombe Way might be just about okay but absolutely not Western Way. I also don’t understand the need to in effect emerge the 340 & 389 together into one. The 340 should serve Dollis Valley purely because it has adequate turning space which is not really anywhere else for services coming from the north apart from New Barnet of which does not need more capacity. Also linking into Dollis Valley again the estate actually uses the services. It is not uncommon for 10 or so people standing at the stop at one time. With an estate like Millbrook Park it is not uncommon to see absolutely no one leave on the bus. It’s IMO a waste of a service in that regard. I’d much rather see the rather limited funds perhaps be used into looking into sending a service like the 299 west to MHB/Edgware/Allianz of which links are quite poor to from other parts of North London or increasing the 382 frequency of which struggles with heavy demand between Arnos Grove & Finchley Central (I would cut the 382 back) especially when you try and board near Compton, Friern Barnet or on Ballards Lane. I understand you like to look at things empathetically of which I would agree in some cases but with areas like Millbrook it’s a waste running a service to if no one’s using it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:42:36 GMT
This is a really long proposal but here goes (a North Londoner's take on what should be improved): Route 31: Increased to x8 frequency. Route 67: Withdrawn Route 102: Withdrawn between Muswell Hill & Brent Cross for reliability reasons. 24 hour status removed. Route 125: Extended from Colindale Station to Colindale Superstores via service 303. This would create new local links in the Colindale area, and would link Finchley & Hendon into ASDA, of which could be of demand. Diverted at Green Dragon Lane to Edmonton Green via services 329 & W8. This would link in Grange Park to Edmonton Green, whilst providing cross North London links. Route 144: Extended from Muswell Hill to Golders Green Station via old route 102. Numbers could potentially switch with route 102 if needed. Converted to 24 hour operation. This would link Turnpike Lane, Wood Green & Hornsey to East Finchley, Henlys Corner & Golders Green. NOT sure on what would replace the GG to Brent X section. Route 192: Withdrawn between Edmonton Green & Tottenham Hale and diverted to Picketts Lock via current service W8. Could potentially look at adjusting frequency if needs must. Route 234: Extended from Highgate Wood to Finchley Road, O2 Centre via services 210 to Whitestone Pond & Route 268 to Finchley Road, O2 Centre. This would operate at a frequency of every 12 minutes and would be adequate in terms of demand. Would link the Swiss Cottage, Hampstead, Royal Free & Highgate Village areas into North London. This would be a great example of what could be considered a "trunk route". No changes to frequency. Route 240: Extended from Golders Green Station to Hampstead Heath. No changes to frequency. This would link in the Royal Free to Hendon, Edgware, Mill Hill & Millbrook Park. This section is arguably the busiest on the 268 (Golders Green to Hampstead High Street) so would provide extra capacity whilst retaining many links. Could potentially be diverted via Deansbrook Road to serve Edgware Community Hospital, however as has been mentioned by ian there is clearly school demand along Daws Lane & Hale Lane for Mill Hill, so I think I would keep that section the same but would be happy to review it. This would overbus the ECH to Edgware corridor as well. Route 251: Extended from Arnos Grove to Palmers Green Station via Bowes Road, Wilmer Way, Powys Lane, Broomfield Lane & Green Lanes. This would help link the Brunswick Park/Arnos Grove area into Palmers Green High Street, of which could be of demand. Could stand on Lodge Drive. Could potentially look at increasing frequency of the service as the service is well over capacity due to the popularity it has received in recent years. Route 263: Diverted to Dalston Junction via Route 30. No changes to frequency. This would link Holloway into Dalston & Mildmay Park, of which isn't currently possible. Route 268: Discontinued. Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate Station & Cockfosters. Extended from Muswell Hill to Mill Hill Broadway via service 653 to Finchley Central, 382 to Mill Hill East, Devonshire Road, Bunns Lane & The Broadway. No change to frequency. This would help support the 143, provide a service on an unserved part of East End Road, unserved part of Devonshire Road & Bunns Lane, provide a fast across North London link, continue linking Bounds Green into East Finchley & create new links from Southgate, Bounds Green & Muswell Hill to Finchley Central, East End Road, Mill Hill East, Mill Hill Broadway & the Devonshire Road area. Route 329: Extended from Turnpike Lane Station to Stoke Newington, Manse Road via Route 67. Stand on Manse Road used for the service in order to retain High Street links. Would link in Palmers Green/Winchmore Hill into Stoke Newington/St Ann's Hospital/Stamford Hill. Would reduce bus movements along Wood Green High Road. Route 340: Extended from Edgware Station to High Barnet, Dollis Valley via service 384 to Stirling Corner & service 107 to High Barnet & service 307 to Dollis Valley Estate. Would link Barnet into Harrow, Canons Park, Wealdstone, Harrow Weald. I would hope this would be a well used, trunk orbital route across North London. No changes to current frequency. Route 349: Extended from Stamford Hill to Islington Angel via service 476. Revised to run at an 8bph frequency in order to increase capacity along the busy Ponders End to Edmonton Green section of the route and maintain some capacity lost from the 476 down through Tottenham, however this could be also argued that the 329 would provide slightly more because of its higher frequency between Stamford Hill & Stoke Newington. Route 382: Withdrawn between Finchley Central & Millbrook Park. Revised to stand on Charville Way. Route 384: Revised to run between Barnet, Quinta Drive & Cockfosters as mainly before, but then extended to Southgate Green via current bus route 299. No changes made to frequency. This would, though indirect, create a new link between Barnet & Southgate. Route 393: Few extra peak time journeys added. This would help support the overcrowding the route faces during peak hours. Diverted from Chalk Farm Station to Camden Town to link local estates into Camden Town, a major leisure & work hub. Chalk Farm is a useless terminus as it misses out a major objective of Camden Town. Route 456: Extended from Crews Hill, Golf Ride to Cuffley Station via Cattlegate Road, Northaw Road East & Station Road. This would link Cuffley & South Cuffley into Enfield Town Centre of which could be of demand (and can be done on the current schedule so there would be no PVR increase needed) and would finally have a bus route serve Crews Hill Station. Route 476: Withdrawn Route C11: Increased to an x8 frequency. Route W8: Diverted to Walthamstow Central from Edmonton Green via service 192 to Tottenham Hale & service 230 to Walthamstow Central. This would provide new links from Walthamstow, Tottenham Hale & Meridian Water to Chase Farm Hospital, Gordon Hill & Winchmore Hill. This would provide a higher frequency between Edmonton Green & Tottenham and hopefully address capacity issues on the 192 in a better way. Before anybody says so, yes I do know money doesn't grow on trees   Hopefully I can get some thoughts on this! LondonNorthern The 384 cut back?!! HELL NO!! The 125 extension to Colindale Superstores, no point as the 303 pretty much does the job. I don't see any justification in any of these tbh. Only really the 263 to Dalston Junction I can agree on. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 11, 2022 18:50:33 GMT
This is a really long proposal but here goes (a North Londoner's take on what should be improved): Route 31: Increased to x8 frequency. Route 67: Withdrawn Route 102: Withdrawn between Muswell Hill & Brent Cross for reliability reasons. 24 hour status removed. Route 125: Extended from Colindale Station to Colindale Superstores via service 303. This would create new local links in the Colindale area, and would link Finchley & Hendon into ASDA, of which could be of demand. Diverted at Green Dragon Lane to Edmonton Green via services 329 & W8. This would link in Grange Park to Edmonton Green, whilst providing cross North London links. Route 144: Extended from Muswell Hill to Golders Green Station via old route 102. Numbers could potentially switch with route 102 if needed. Converted to 24 hour operation. This would link Turnpike Lane, Wood Green & Hornsey to East Finchley, Henlys Corner & Golders Green. NOT sure on what would replace the GG to Brent X section. Route 192: Withdrawn between Edmonton Green & Tottenham Hale and diverted to Picketts Lock via current service W8. Could potentially look at adjusting frequency if needs must. Route 234: Extended from Highgate Wood to Finchley Road, O2 Centre via services 210 to Whitestone Pond & Route 268 to Finchley Road, O2 Centre. This would operate at a frequency of every 12 minutes and would be adequate in terms of demand. Would link the Swiss Cottage, Hampstead, Royal Free & Highgate Village areas into North London. This would be a great example of what could be considered a "trunk route". No changes to frequency. Route 240: Extended from Golders Green Station to Hampstead Heath. No changes to frequency. This would link in the Royal Free to Hendon, Edgware, Mill Hill & Millbrook Park. This section is arguably the busiest on the 268 (Golders Green to Hampstead High Street) so would provide extra capacity whilst retaining many links. Could potentially be diverted via Deansbrook Road to serve Edgware Community Hospital, however as has been mentioned by ian there is clearly school demand along Daws Lane & Hale Lane for Mill Hill, so I think I would keep that section the same but would be happy to review it. This would overbus the ECH to Edgware corridor as well. Route 251: Extended from Arnos Grove to Palmers Green Station via Bowes Road, Wilmer Way, Powys Lane, Broomfield Lane & Green Lanes. This would help link the Brunswick Park/Arnos Grove area into Palmers Green High Street, of which could be of demand. Could stand on Lodge Drive. Could potentially look at increasing frequency of the service as the service is well over capacity due to the popularity it has received in recent years. Route 263: Diverted to Dalston Junction via Route 30. No changes to frequency. This would link Holloway into Dalston & Mildmay Park, of which isn't currently possible. Route 268: Discontinued. Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate Station & Cockfosters. Extended from Muswell Hill to Mill Hill Broadway via service 653 to Finchley Central, 382 to Mill Hill East, Devonshire Road, Bunns Lane & The Broadway. No change to frequency. This would help support the 143, provide a service on an unserved part of East End Road, unserved part of Devonshire Road & Bunns Lane, provide a fast across North London link, continue linking Bounds Green into East Finchley & create new links from Southgate, Bounds Green & Muswell Hill to Finchley Central, East End Road, Mill Hill East, Mill Hill Broadway & the Devonshire Road area. Route 329: Extended from Turnpike Lane Station to Stoke Newington, Manse Road via Route 67. Stand on Manse Road used for the service in order to retain High Street links. Would link in Palmers Green/Winchmore Hill into Stoke Newington/St Ann's Hospital/Stamford Hill. Would reduce bus movements along Wood Green High Road. Route 340: Extended from Edgware Station to High Barnet, Dollis Valley via service 384 to Stirling Corner & service 107 to High Barnet & service 307 to Dollis Valley Estate. Would link Barnet into Harrow, Canons Park, Wealdstone, Harrow Weald. I would hope this would be a well used, trunk orbital route across North London. No changes to current frequency. Route 349: Extended from Stamford Hill to Islington Angel via service 476. Revised to run at an 8bph frequency in order to increase capacity along the busy Ponders End to Edmonton Green section of the route and maintain some capacity lost from the 476 down through Tottenham, however this could be also argued that the 329 would provide slightly more because of its higher frequency between Stamford Hill & Stoke Newington. Route 382: Withdrawn between Finchley Central & Millbrook Park. Revised to stand on Charville Way. Route 384: Revised to run between Barnet, Quinta Drive & Cockfosters as mainly before, but then extended to Southgate Green via current bus route 299. No changes made to frequency. This would, though indirect, create a new link between Barnet & Southgate. Route 393: Few extra peak time journeys added. This would help support the overcrowding the route faces during peak hours. Diverted from Chalk Farm Station to Camden Town to link local estates into Camden Town, a major leisure & work hub. Chalk Farm is a useless terminus as it misses out a major objective of Camden Town. Route 456: Extended from Crews Hill, Golf Ride to Cuffley Station via Cattlegate Road, Northaw Road East & Station Road. This would link Cuffley & South Cuffley into Enfield Town Centre of which could be of demand (and can be done on the current schedule so there would be no PVR increase needed) and would finally have a bus route serve Crews Hill Station. Route 476: Withdrawn Route C11: Increased to an x8 frequency. Route W8: Diverted to Walthamstow Central from Edmonton Green via service 192 to Tottenham Hale & service 230 to Walthamstow Central. This would provide new links from Walthamstow, Tottenham Hale & Meridian Water to Chase Farm Hospital, Gordon Hill & Winchmore Hill. This would provide a higher frequency between Edmonton Green & Tottenham and hopefully address capacity issues on the 192 in a better way. Before anybody says so, yes I do know money doesn't grow on trees Hopefully I can get some thoughts on this! LondonNorthern The 384 cut back?!! HELL NO!! The 125 extension to Colindale Superstores, no point as the 303 pretty much does the job. I don't see any justification in any of these tbh. Only really the 263 to Dalston Junction I can agree on. But the 384 is being replaced with the 340 of which would provide links further on beyond Edgware to places such as Stanmore, Harrow, Wealdstone, Canons Park etc. Ultimately if you want people out of cars you should be creating long trunk routes rather than needing to constantly change buses. Also the 384 is not just being "cut back" it is being extended on the other end.
The 125 suggestion does follow the 303 but it would create links from Colindale / ASDA to Finchley, Hendon etc. I admit it's quite a short extension but could potentially be more useful than Colindale Station as a terminus, would also provide interchange with the 32, 142, 292 etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:59:45 GMT
The 384 cut back?!! HELL NO!! The 125 extension to Colindale Superstores, no point as the 303 pretty much does the job. I don't see any justification in any of these tbh. Only really the 263 to Dalston Junction I can agree on. But the 384 is being replaced with the 340 of which would provide links further on beyond Edgware to places such as Stanmore, Harrow, Wealdstone, Canons Park etc. Ultimately if you want people out of cars you should be creating long trunk routes rather than needing to constantly change buses. Also the 384 is not just being "cut back" it is being extended on the other end.
The 125 suggestion does follow the 303 but it would create links from Colindale / ASDA to Finchley, Hendon etc. I admit it's quite a short extension but could potentially be more useful than Colindale Station as a terminus, would also provide interchange with the 32, 142, 292 etc.
WHAT?! No, the 384 is not getting cut back or extended on the other end. Where did you get that from?! It'll probably be rerouted in Barnet but idk what you're talking about with the 340/384 merge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 19:02:07 GMT
The 384 cut back?!! HELL NO!! The 125 extension to Colindale Superstores, no point as the 303 pretty much does the job. I don't see any justification in any of these tbh. Only really the 263 to Dalston Junction I can agree on. But the 384 is being replaced with the 340 of which would provide links further on beyond Edgware to places such as Stanmore, Harrow, Wealdstone, Canons Park etc. Ultimately if you want people out of cars you should be creating long trunk routes rather than needing to constantly change buses. Also the 384 is not just being "cut back" it is being extended on the other end.
The 125 suggestion does follow the 303 but it would create links from Colindale / ASDA to Finchley, Hendon etc. I admit it's quite a short extension but could potentially be more useful than Colindale Station as a terminus, would also provide interchange with the 32, 142, 292 etc.
It would also make sense to renumber the W6 the 334 and extend that to Barnet to give better links Between Barnet and Southgate. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 11, 2022 19:07:59 GMT
But the 384 is being replaced with the 340 of which would provide links further on beyond Edgware to places such as Stanmore, Harrow, Wealdstone, Canons Park etc. Ultimately if you want people out of cars you should be creating long trunk routes rather than needing to constantly change buses. Also the 384 is not just being "cut back" it is being extended on the other end.
The 125 suggestion does follow the 303 but it would create links from Colindale / ASDA to Finchley, Hendon etc. I admit it's quite a short extension but could potentially be more useful than Colindale Station as a terminus, would also provide interchange with the 32, 142, 292 etc.
WHAT?! No, the 384 is not getting cut back or extended on the other end. Where did you get that from?! It'll probably be rerouted in Barnet but idk what you're talking about with the 340/384 merge. This is not an official consultation. These are fantasy ideas. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 19:10:33 GMT
WHAT?! No, the 384 is not getting cut back or extended on the other end. Where did you get that from?! It'll probably be rerouted in Barnet but idk what you're talking about with the 340/384 merge. This is not an official consultation. These are fantasy ideas. But you said "The 384 is being replaced with the 340" |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 11, 2022 19:10:44 GMT
But the 384 is being replaced with the 340 of which would provide links further on beyond Edgware to places such as Stanmore, Harrow, Wealdstone, Canons Park etc. Ultimately if you want people out of cars you should be creating long trunk routes rather than needing to constantly change buses. Also the 384 is not just being "cut back" it is being extended on the other end.
The 125 suggestion does follow the 303 but it would create links from Colindale / ASDA to Finchley, Hendon etc. I admit it's quite a short extension but could potentially be more useful than Colindale Station as a terminus, would also provide interchange with the 32, 142, 292 etc.
It would also make sense to renumber the W6 and extend that to Barnet to give better links Between Barnet and Southgate. The W6 shouldn't be renumbered, admittedly its only been existing for 30 years but I imagine that gives it enough historical context.
I suggested the 384 extension to Southgate because of my proposed split of the 299 which would be far too long if it became Mill Hill Broadway/Edgware to Cockfosters via Muswell Hill / East Finchley / Finchley Central / Bounds Green. Also the W6 would be too frequent in my opinion and itself should probably receive a capacity increase as has been mentioned by a few members on here. A 10 minute frequency might be a bit too strong but a 15 minute frequency would probably suffice on the 384. There is also limited space in the Barnet area for standing.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 11, 2022 19:11:19 GMT
This is not an official consultation. These are fantasy ideas. But you said "The 384 is being replaced with the 340" Under my proposals yes. I do not work for TFL. This is fantasy and they are not being changed.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 11, 2022 21:28:27 GMT
This is a really long proposal but here goes (a North Londoner's take on what should be improved): Route 31: Increased to x8 frequency. Route 67: Withdrawn Route 102: Withdrawn between Muswell Hill & Brent Cross for reliability reasons. 24 hour status removed. Route 125: Extended from Colindale Station to Colindale Superstores via service 303. This would create new local links in the Colindale area, and would link Finchley & Hendon into ASDA, of which could be of demand. Diverted at Green Dragon Lane to Edmonton Green via services 329 & W8. This would link in Grange Park to Edmonton Green, whilst providing cross North London links. Route 144: Extended from Muswell Hill to Golders Green Station via old route 102. Numbers could potentially switch with route 102 if needed. Converted to 24 hour operation. This would link Turnpike Lane, Wood Green & Hornsey to East Finchley, Henlys Corner & Golders Green. NOT sure on what would replace the GG to Brent X section. Route 192: Withdrawn between Edmonton Green & Tottenham Hale and diverted to Picketts Lock via current service W8. Could potentially look at adjusting frequency if needs must. Route 234: Extended from Highgate Wood to Finchley Road, O2 Centre via services 210 to Whitestone Pond & Route 268 to Finchley Road, O2 Centre. This would operate at a frequency of every 12 minutes and would be adequate in terms of demand. Would link the Swiss Cottage, Hampstead, Royal Free & Highgate Village areas into North London. This would be a great example of what could be considered a "trunk route". No changes to frequency. Route 240: Extended from Golders Green Station to Hampstead Heath. No changes to frequency. This would link in the Royal Free to Hendon, Edgware, Mill Hill & Millbrook Park. This section is arguably the busiest on the 268 (Golders Green to Hampstead High Street) so would provide extra capacity whilst retaining many links. Could potentially be diverted via Deansbrook Road to serve Edgware Community Hospital, however as has been mentioned by ian there is clearly school demand along Daws Lane & Hale Lane for Mill Hill, so I think I would keep that section the same but would be happy to review it. This would overbus the ECH to Edgware corridor as well. Route 251: Extended from Arnos Grove to Palmers Green Station via Bowes Road, Wilmer Way, Powys Lane, Broomfield Lane & Green Lanes. This would help link the Brunswick Park/Arnos Grove area into Palmers Green High Street, of which could be of demand. Could stand on Lodge Drive. Could potentially look at increasing frequency of the service as the service is well over capacity due to the popularity it has received in recent years. Route 263: Diverted to Dalston Junction via Route 30. No changes to frequency. This would link Holloway into Dalston & Mildmay Park, of which isn't currently possible. Route 268: Discontinued. Route 299: Withdrawn between Southgate Station & Cockfosters. Extended from Muswell Hill to Mill Hill Broadway via service 653 to Finchley Central, 382 to Mill Hill East, Devonshire Road, Bunns Lane & The Broadway. No change to frequency. This would help support the 143, provide a service on an unserved part of East End Road, unserved part of Devonshire Road & Bunns Lane, provide a fast across North London link, continue linking Bounds Green into East Finchley & create new links from Southgate, Bounds Green & Muswell Hill to Finchley Central, East End Road, Mill Hill East, Mill Hill Broadway & the Devonshire Road area. Route 329: Extended from Turnpike Lane Station to Stoke Newington, Manse Road via Route 67. Stand on Manse Road used for the service in order to retain High Street links. Would link in Palmers Green/Winchmore Hill into Stoke Newington/St Ann's Hospital/Stamford Hill. Would reduce bus movements along Wood Green High Road. Route 340: Extended from Edgware Station to High Barnet, Dollis Valley via service 384 to Stirling Corner & service 107 to High Barnet & service 307 to Dollis Valley Estate. Would link Barnet into Harrow, Canons Park, Wealdstone, Harrow Weald. I would hope this would be a well used, trunk orbital route across North London. No changes to current frequency. Route 349: Extended from Stamford Hill to Islington Angel via service 476. Revised to run at an 8bph frequency in order to increase capacity along the busy Ponders End to Edmonton Green section of the route and maintain some capacity lost from the 476 down through Tottenham, however this could be also argued that the 329 would provide slightly more because of its higher frequency between Stamford Hill & Stoke Newington. Route 382: Withdrawn between Finchley Central & Millbrook Park. Revised to stand on Charville Way. Route 384: Revised to run between Barnet, Quinta Drive & Cockfosters as mainly before, but then extended to Southgate Green via current bus route 299. No changes made to frequency. This would, though indirect, create a new link between Barnet & Southgate. Route 393: Few extra peak time journeys added. This would help support the overcrowding the route faces during peak hours. Diverted from Chalk Farm Station to Camden Town to link local estates into Camden Town, a major leisure & work hub. Chalk Farm is a useless terminus as it misses out a major objective of Camden Town. Route 456: Extended from Crews Hill, Golf Ride to Cuffley Station via Cattlegate Road, Northaw Road East & Station Road. This would link Cuffley & South Cuffley into Enfield Town Centre of which could be of demand (and can be done on the current schedule so there would be no PVR increase needed) and would finally have a bus route serve Crews Hill Station. Route 476: Withdrawn Route C11: Increased to an x8 frequency. Route W8: Diverted to Walthamstow Central from Edmonton Green via service 192 to Tottenham Hale & service 230 to Walthamstow Central. This would provide new links from Walthamstow, Tottenham Hale & Meridian Water to Chase Farm Hospital, Gordon Hill & Winchmore Hill. This would provide a higher frequency between Edmonton Green & Tottenham and hopefully address capacity issues on the 192 in a better way. Before anybody says so, yes I do know money doesn't grow on trees Hopefully I can get some thoughts on this! LondonNorthern The 384 cut back?!! HELL NO!! The 125 extension to Colindale Superstores, no point as the 303 pretty much does the job. I don't see any justification in any of these tbh. Only really the 263 to Dalston Junction I can agree on. I’d imagine why he suggested the 125 extension is to create new links from the stores to places west of Colindale. The 125 would only duplicate the 303 for a short distance so don’t understand your “no point” statement |
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Post by thekbq14 on Jan 20, 2022 1:24:04 GMT
Definitely fantasy, but it would be nice for there to be an orbital South East London X route... X25 (for the same historic reason as X26, though much of the route very different from the old 725). Only stopping at following places: West Croydon bus station East Croydon railway station West Wickham town centre Locksbottom (Princess Royal University Hospital) Orpington railway station Orpington War Memorial St Paul’s Cray (Springvale Way or Station Approach) Bexley Library Crayford Bridge Dartford railway station Extend it to Bluewater as well |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 20, 2022 8:43:46 GMT
Definitely fantasy, but it would be nice for there to be an orbital South East London X route... X25 (for the same historic reason as X26, though much of the route very different from the old 725). Only stopping at following places: West Croydon bus station East Croydon railway station West Wickham town centre Locksbottom (Princess Royal University Hospital) Orpington railway station Orpington War Memorial St Paul’s Cray (Springvale Way or Station Approach) Bexley Library Crayford Bridge Dartford railway station Extend it to Bluewater as well I did think about that, but I concluded that I don’t think it needs to do that : plenty of express 96s around to go fast to Bluewater, plus it means X25 has less traffic to deal with. |
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Post by COBO on Jan 21, 2022 0:10:04 GMT
WARNING THIS IS A FANTASY 😂
143: discontinued,
186: discontinued.
189: extended from Brent Cross to Northwick Park Hospital via route 186 to Northwick Park Hospital. Linking North Cricklewood with Hendon and providing Belmont Circle with a night service.
266/N266: extended from Brent Cross to Archway via route 143 to Archway. Linking Cricklewood with Finchley and Archway. Also providing extra capacity between Brent Cross and Archway.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 22, 2022 18:58:20 GMT
Some alternative ideas for the 21/271 consultation.
271- withdrawn
21- withdrawn between Newington Green and Moorgate, Finsbury Square.
43- restructured to operate between Friern Barnet and Moorgate, Finsbury Circus (pick up Moorgate Station) via existing 271 route between Archway and Moorgate.
4- rerouted at Angel to London Bridge via existing 43 route between Angel and London Bridge.
40- rerouted at Blackfriars to Highbury Barn via existing 4 route between Blackfriars and Highbury Barn.
263- rerouted at Highbury Corner to Dalston Junction via route 30.
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